Microsoft is discontinuing support for Windows 10 on October 14, 2025
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Wow. I would be shocked if Logos supports this, if a user has a problem. This is not Windows 11 "light", Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC is an OEM version for 'Internet of Things' devices, not end user computers. OEMs are organizations that are building some sort of device and they want to embed Windows 11 in it.
Moreover, you notice how it says you run it in eval for 90 days then activate it?
Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC is not available through retail or standard volume licensing. Instead, it requires:
- A valid license obtained through an authorized Microsoft IoT distributor or OEM.
- A Volume License Key (VLK) or an OEM Activation 3.0 (OA3) Digital Product Key.
So how will you get a licrnse to run it past 90 days?
Notice also the fine print says it's compatible with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC, but nowhere does it say it's compatible with Windows 11 Retail?
And end-user won't be able to get a valid license to activate it.
No license - no support - unlikely Logos supports it - using it for the wrong purpose. Not a wise idea.
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I'm aware it's not an ideal solution. But maybe not everyone can easily afford scrapping a perfectly fine PC and spending $1000 on a Win 11 compatible new one.
Running Win 11 IoT is still better than running Win 10 after Win 10 EOL.
Licenses are readily available on eBay for around $30, however, they might not be perfectly legal…
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For the record, tiny11 can and should be legally licensed. It was created with the Microsoft DISM tool and you can purchase and license Windows 11 and create your own tiny11 using a script.
It installs without any of the Microsoft spyware and AI garbage. You are not forced to create a OneDrive account. You are not forced to install copilot and you will be starting out with a very secure version of Windows. It will not even install the Microsoft edge browser. You can install Edge, or you can install another browser.
It will also not be displaying advertising, unless you install the Microsoft store.
It is legal so long as you begin with a licensed copy. It has been reviewed and tested by numerous experts including Paul Thurrot. Do a google search to learn more.
The disclaimer is that there is no tech support number to call.
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They are not legal for end users. "Just because someone can do it doesn't mean they should do it." But to each his own…
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Don't forget this big caveat for tiny11:
"The fact NTDev is just one developer building and supporting an entire operating system, it is very likely that the data will be vulnerable to theft by hackers. Even NTDev understands the fact that, if possible, go for the official version of Windows 11 from Microsoft. If you have an old system, with inferior specifications, go for Tiny11 but don’t store your confidential files on it."
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TINY 11 is a stripped-down, unsupported version of Windows 11. You cannot update it! Microsoft does not support or recognize Tiny11. This stripped-down Windows 11 OS from a third-party, scrapes away a lot of core features of Windows 11 to make the operating system run on low-end computers. It lacks Windows Component Store (WinSxS) so you are prevented from installing new features or languages. It also doesn’t come with preloaded applications; this can either be a boon or a bane depending on what you like.
It's one guy - not current or able to be updated with security updates. Last it was discussed, even though Logos uses a commercial cloud service, they do not encrypt their data to-from the user's computer. So assume any data in your Logos is vulnerable; much less your personal credentials.
Why would anyone do this to save $1000, running an important application like Logos?
If that's worth the risk, go for it.
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A lot of what you said about tiny11 is just plain inaccurate. I’m not wanting to debate it here, but would refer anyone who wants to know all the facts about it to find reviews by trustworthy people.
True it is not supported by Microsoft, but it is created by a process that Microsoft has provided (the DISM tool).
The latest release is fully serviceable, receives security patches and updates through Windows Update according to Paul Thurrot …
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It's very easy to find many reputable sites that make sure the naive user is aware it's developed by one guy - with the natural inherent risks that poses; that updates are limited or non-existent; it's not supported by Microsoft, and more. You can find lots of sites I am sure, but VERY REPUTABLE sites such as reddit threads discussing pros and cons, neowin, partition wizard makeuseof, windowsclub, and even learn.microsoft.com mention very real caveats along with the positives of trying to use tiny11.
Also, the best rev news do mention both the pros and cons. Any review that completely ignores discussing these potential issues does a grave disservice to its readers. A view written with rose colored glasses is not a good review. To say that these issues are not a concern at all is just wrong, and many sites would disagree.
So what does a user do when, as we see many times, they report an issue "I can't log in", "Logos crashes", "This feature's screen is blank", and more? And then they tell Logos support they are on tiny11? Yep. Good luck figuring it out on your own.
I am not saying it can't be made to work - especially by a knowledgeable user. But the rank and file user on a Logos community thread very likely is not aware of the inherent risks in security, privacy, unpredictability of operation, and support. Frankly they may not even be aware of what to look for.
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Don, I completely understand if you want to make sure that everyone knows that there could be problems with no support.
I only posted about it because I think people should at least know what their different options are if they find themselves in a situation where they have to make a choice.
tiny11 is a real thing because Microsoft has ruined windows by forcing many things on the user. This an opportunity to still be able to run the software you need to run without allowing Microsoft to constantly spy on you and upload your data to their servers without your permission.
Your claim I am only recommending reviews that ignore potential issues reveals that you did not read the post I linked too. Paul Thurrott is the guy who writes the books for IT professionals that support Windows. He has tested it and written numerous articles about his experiences. He has plenty to say both good and bad.
He has written in his articles that he may include tiny 11 in his next Windows 11 book.
Again, I am simply wanting people to know that this is a possible option. In my first post made it clear that you did have to have some computer and technical knowledge or you shouldn’t try it. I wasn’t trying to start a debate about tiny 11.
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