Mine Forever

ASUNDER · 2025-02-23T06:26:56+00:00

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ASUNDER

Mine forever?
Are you sure about that?

Not providing a .pdf version of our purchased content for a personal backup copy is fraud.

The words "yours forever" at the point of sale is a description of a product that influences the purchasing decision. It infers a perpetual license, but since Logos is not a perpetual license, making the purchase does not result in the ownership that the marketing implies.
"Yours" means ownership, not license. "Forever" means perpetual, not conditional. That is false advertising. This is not just immoral, it's illegal.

When the atheists are doing the biggest "tax the churches" push I've ever seen, how am I supposed to defend the rights of Christians when they are running around behaving like this? What do I have to stand on when you're executing the same shady business practices as your accusers?

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P. Christoph Blohberger

The meme is not true. You can use the FREE version of Logos to read all your books, either with permant license or temporary license!

I'm rather irritated by bretheren who come with all kind of big accusations and judgements (fraud, false advertising, immoral and illegal,...) without knowing all the facts or presenting the facts in a wrong light.

If you believe in your accusations, I wonder why are your freely part of something immoral and illegal?

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359549#Comment_1359549

You can "use" the product you purchased, as long as you USE Logos to use the product that belongs to you.
This is like Ford selling you gas but you have to drive a Ford vehicle to use that gas.

DMB

Faithlife is rationalizing 'advertising-speak'. They didn't used to do that. New owners; new CEO.

I don't doubt the literalness … Libby is still running, 20 years and counting. But for new customers, and practicalities (when computers die, when new owners are unacceptable), trusting FL marketing is over.

Aaron Hamilton

As Logos is committed to indefinitely offering a free version of their software, this post is based on a premise that is untrue.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359557#Comment_1359557

Commited. For now.

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359557#Comment_1359557

No it's not. Nobody is going to convince me that locking content format to a proprietary system is "ownership".
And doing it to say it's to protect from piracy is also calling all of their customers pirates.

My local public library has been operating all my life. And yet if I loan out a book it still doesn't have my own name on it.

John

@DMB

Libby is still running, 20 years and counting

Those who purchased it on CD’s and made backup copies of their license file can still install and run it.

But the server support disappeared long ago.

And what has replaced it is a program with no ability for local backup of licensing information. If Logos servers go down for any reason, so does your ability to use the resources you purchased.

@ASUNDER

The “Yours Forever” line is clearly a marketing strategy, since the forced subscription strategy has caused such a lack of faith and goodwill among customers. If they need to remind you that what you buy from them, you get to keep, then they seem to be aware that there is doubt in peoples minds to begin with. And that is the lack of trust caused by a move to poorly planned out forced subscription plan. And I say poorly planned out not because they did a bad job at what they did, but that they should have had subscription only for features that really require ongoing server access. They made it a lot worse than it had to be by including a bunch of books along with the subscription plan. This confuses people because want to think they either own the or they are subscribing. When you go to the car dealer to look at new cars, you make a decision. Either you buy a new car or you lease a new car. The car manufacturers that have sold new cars and then force you to pay a subscription to use certain features of the new car that you already bought have gotten very negative feedback from customers.

But it does not look like complaining is going to do much good.

You could always purchase printed books. Nobody can ever take away your ability to read those.

DMB

@John … I think you're wrong … but not sure. I've copied my L7 to an offline computer. No server approval. works. Dave would know.

When BW went down, they provided a backup image. But that assumed the system not changing.

Aaron Hamilton

Nobody is going to convince me that locking content format to a proprietary system is "ownership".

To be clear, we are purchasing a license to the book, not the book itself. It's a subtle, yet important, difference. That reality may be unpleasant, but it is true. There are limitations on what can be done with the Logos books you purchase.

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359560#Comment_1359560

Ya. I could build a house with hand tools too. But there is a better way.

My real problem is that this world isn't safe. In America we've enjoyed a void of persecution. But that can change anytime.
Remember of the fish icon is from Christians drawing it in the dirt to identify each other in the presence of tyranny. We are living in a prosperity bubble that is so very tentative.

Microsoft has already proven, by things like mandatory windows updates, that my online connected computer is at the mercy of the ruling class. Modern ownership is just an illusion so the masses don't realize what's going on and flip the monopoly table. One day they just might (and probably will) up and decide that my beliefs are unacceptable and that I am not compliant with some esg score or social credit score or something. That I'm a danger to society and have to be disallowed from participating in buying or selling. And so the gov requiring companies to block people. Oop, there goes my library.

This has already been happening; we have been seeing these sorts of disclosures through this Doge thing.
Much money has been spent on oppressing Christian faculty in many ways; including debanking and censorship. That could get alot worse, just ask Daniel. Twenty years of cancel culture has made people accustomed to thinking that is normal. It is anything but.

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359565#Comment_1359565

That is exactly the difference I stand against.
There are a handful of bad apples that would abuse an ownership model, but this is a Christian area. How many of us would actually pirate content?

Nothing says loving your neighbor like locking a huge chunk of human knowledge in the vatican library.

John

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359563#Comment_1359563

If there is a way to backup the license data, it is not documented. But I would be happy to be proven wrong on this.

Speaking of Bibleworks, Forum and Activation servers went down a few months ago. If you go to the Bible works website you will find that you can still install the program if you are a legitimate licensed user. Activation support is now done by email. I sent in my request for activation files yesterday. I should’ve done it a lot sooner, but I’ve been too busy. If anyone still using Bibleworks 9 or 10 and you want to be able to continue using it into the future, you should get your activation files now while they are still available. The owner has done a very good thing by still supporting the software in this way, so many years after the company closed.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359570#Comment_1359570

I keep forgetting, I'm not supposed to have BW (took advantage of the Accordance offer). But I do miss the versified text images. That was neat.

John

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359571#Comment_1359571

I thought with those deals you were restricted from selling your copy. I didn’t know you were not supposed to keep using it. I guess you have to read the small print on those deals?

Steven MacDonald

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359575#Comment_1359575

If you did a crossover upgrade with Accordance, you definitely CAN continue to use BibleWorks. You just can't sell BibleWorks to someone else as a standalone product. It's considered part of your Accordance upgrade path. If you wanted to sell BibleWorks, it would have to go as a package with Accordance. I addressed this question directly with Accordance when considering the crossgrade as I did not want to lose the option to leave BibleWorks to someone else when I die. It will go with Accordance as a package.

Steven MacDonald

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359570#Comment_1359570

BibleWorks was a true ministry. I know the owner personally and he is a humble servant who never got rich off of it. I just wish he would have planned for a successor.

Tip for those who also still use BibleWorks. Follow the process below to protect your ability to reinstall in the future if needed on same system or a future new one:

BibleWorks 9 and 10 can still be installed, but to activate the program you will be required to replace the BibleWorks executable after the installation. The process for doing this is as follows:

Install the program using your original distribution media. When prompted, enter ALL of your serial numbers. The easiest way to do this is to copy them to the clipboard and the installation program will find them. If you do not enter all of your serial numbers, you will not have access to all of your purchased modules.
Run the program. When you are prompted to activate the program, exit the program and go to the next step. If you have already passed the 30 day trial period, exit the program and go to the next step.
Send an e-mail to activation@bibleworks.com. The subject line of the e-mail must contain only your BibleWorks 9 or BibleWorks 10 serial number followed by a space and your name. No other characters please or the message may not be processed. The subject line should look something like this: "BW10-####-####-####-#### Your Name" or "BW90-####-####-####-#### Your Name". The main text of the e-mail should contain any proof of purchase information that you have. Please understand that I have no support staff and am receiving a lot of activation requests. I may not be able to respond to any special requests on other issues. Please do not use this e-mail address to ask for support with program features. Keep in mind that the Youtube library of instructional videos is still available. See BibleWorks Instructional Videos.
Within a few hours (or days depending on how busy I am) you will receive an e-mail containg a link to a zip file containing one or more files which you need to unzip to your desktop or anywhere else. To make sure that Windows has not blocked the files as a security measure, right click on each file, select "properties" and check the status at the bottom of the properties window. After unblocking, if necessary, copy the files to your BibleWorks folder (something like "c:\program files (x86)\BibleWorks 10"). You should then be able to run the program.
Please do not give your serial number to anyone else. And do not give the downloaded files to other users. They will work only with your installation. BibleWorks contains a lot of material that is still copyrighted by dozens of companies. Please respect the copyright laws.

I appreciate the fact that there are still a lot of people using legally purchased copies of BibleWorks. If you own BibleWorks 9 or 10, the procedure outlined above should make it possible for you to use the program for many more years. If you keep the installation media and the downloaded files, no further input from me should be needed in the future. I will provide this service as long as the Lord enables, which means until He takes me home (I am now an old man) or the Lord returns. Come quickly Lord Jesus.

Tony

To "own your library" forever you really need to create a windows VM, activate it, install logos, set logos to work offline, and disable networking on the vm. Set your firewall to only allow a connection to Logos and enable networking to update if you buy new books. Keep it backed up. It's very involved, ideally they'd provide a Linux client to simplify the process.

Given the state of growing censorship worldwide and anti-privacy of Windows and Mac (new AI screenwatching), any tech savvy Christian company should provide Linux software. USA might be safe ish for the next 4 years but the rest of the world isn't. Protect your brothers abroad Faithlife, get Logos working on Linux Mint (most popular distro) and Ubuntu (it's based on it) and maybe Debian. Or pick 1, Linux users will take what we can get.

MJ. Smith

FYI only: I'm going to put my foot/feet in my mouth …

@ASUNDER

My real problem is that this world isn't safe.

That is a true statement. Never has been. Unlikely to ever be. However, that sort of theological/political statement and all the verbage around it, is not what I want to wake up to on a Sunday morning. I appreciate the forums as an escape from this sort of internet chatter. I'm glad to read your questions and suggestions regarding Logos but only them.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359583#Comment_1359583

Thank you, Steven!

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359609#Comment_1359609

I'm going to be waking up to reading nothing at all, if the world has its way. 😅

My complaint terminated at the end of my first post. People debating me so there is a debate.
In light of the free Logos version I shouldn't be calling it illegal, but is still no good.

A suggestion is to use paper books. But digital works are superior for that defense too. In the event of a home invasion, flood or fire, I could have had a digital back up copy made and off site for safe keeping. With paper books this isn't reasonable. Neither could I afford eleven hundred paper books. The same library I could carry around on my smart phone in my pocket.

With your comment FaithLife is telling me what I can or cannot say. How easy would that translate to what I can or cannot read? This isn't just theory. In the past I used to curate large YouTube playlists. Over time I watched the list of "unavailable" videos grow larger and larger. I learned that if I want to keep playlists intact, I have to take the content off line. Removing content from the public forum based on what the rich don't want people to see is the equivalent to book burning. We're still in the dark ages.

DMB

Asunder, you're taking advantage of Faithlife here on the forum. It is their forum. Is there a bit of hypocrisy?

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359623#Comment_1359623

And it's their software too. So when they feel I'm doing things like you say, what then? "Oh sorry, we can't let you use our application anymore." Yup there goes my library. So you guys are proving that I have a legitimate concern.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359624#Comment_1359624

Well, of course, I've said that for years. The primary risk is ownership. Decisioning. Their ballgame. You're along for the ride. Enjoy.

xnman

Well…. simply put… there is no trust, eh?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359626#Comment_1359626

Trust isn't in the equation … it's unfair to demand another party fit your own needs, calling it 'trust'. Faithlife is a vibrant, active company, with owners and employees and their own visions. Their needs come first … hopefully in line with the customers. But not necessarily … staying in business is often a requirement.

Justin Gatlin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359569#Comment_1359569

Historically, there was a pretty substantial issue of people decrypting Logos content and putting it on bittorrent. If it is not a problem today, it is because Logos's software has gotten better, not because people have acquired integrity.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/1085/logos-available-on-torrents

DAL

We’re all gonna die anyway, so forever means during your lifetime 😂😂😂

EastTN

First, I recognize all of the complexities that have been raised, such as the difference between a "license" to a digital asset versus "ownership" of a physical asset. Having said that…

I believe the marketing claim of "Yours Forever" would have much more weight if there were a well-articulated technical fallback solution for the potential (if unlikely) end of FaithLife support for the product. This could be as simple as releasing a minimalist reader as open-source software, a binding agreement to convert users' resources to an industry-standard format such as epub in the event the company stops supporting the platform, or some other solution that effectively guarantees users will have ongoing access to their resources in the event FaithLife ends operations.

That would give real meaning to the promise of "Yours Forever."

There may be business, legal or technical reasons that FaithLife is unable or unwilling to put such a plan in place. In that case, I agree that "yours forever" rings a bit hollow.

Bobby Terhune

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359680#Comment_1359680

Wow I didn't know that. Ok that makes sense why protections would have been added to the content.
If I were Logos I would be choked.

Remember when I said the big tech can block your comments but are "unable" to take down pirate websites?
Ya that's because if they stop piracy they don't have an excuse to follow people around and take their data. Just like if virus makers are brought down the antivirus companies are out of business, and also less excuse to take data.
The same reason the US Copyright Office won't make generative AI illegal; then the big names can't do their shady work either. So they let the little guys run around trampling the world.

Modern America excels at managing problems instead of curing them. Because both sides of an industry are making money from the suffering of people. The problem generates revenue for one group of people and the solution generates revenue for another group of people.

But I'm pretty sure that people could crack the books anyway. If someone is committed to doing these things, there isn't much stopping them. Then most of us suffer from less freedom with our books. It's weird because you would think doing this wouldn't be that lucrative. That they would choose more profitable targets than this. You can buy a bundle of books for twenty bucks. Maybe some people just don't like Christians and want to watch the world burn.

Bobby Terhune

last I heard, customer service could give you your unlock license if you asked. I'm not sure how that's handled today. The reason we don't have install files, was to thwart Piracy back when Logos had install disks. Bob shared stories about seminary students selling access to their unlock codes to other seminary students.

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359724#Comment_1359724

Oh I see. Maybe in second year seminary they will come across the "thou shalt not steal" part.

He that does truth is made manifest that his deeds are wrought in God.

ASUNDER

FaithLife doesn't want to give me my books. Ok, looks like they've bought themselves some trolling.

Looks like my calendar just opened up! 😀

Hmmm.. what's on my to-do list for the next couple days? 🤔

Oh ya, it's to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, unto God what is God's and gimme my ebooks! 😠

Bob Venem

Wow, Asunder, that three-legged hamster in your head is really getting a workout, huh?

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1360278#Comment_1360278

Gimme mine property. 😠

Justin Gatlin

If you're really concerned, why don't you just export them? Get a macro to pick a really large page size, extra small margins, and export it.

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1360309#Comment_1360309

That might not work; your suggestion involves ‘taking’ but @ASUNDER wants them to be given.

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1360309#Comment_1360309

If I'm really concerned? EVERYBODY is concerned about this problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqt7Ev37IbA

You know how many career artists have abandoned Adobe over these things?
Leaving to inferior software, giving them the finger because everyone alive has had it up to here with tech companies ripping us off to our face and acting like they aren't doing anything wrong. Like a guy hiding behind a light pole but half his body is showing. "You can't see me." … Yes I can. Fifty years ago the government would have had their business license for these kinds of things.

Remember when everyone read the riot act to Amway? Calling them a pyramid scheme and a cult? Yup that's called a SUBSCRIPTION MODEL! But now everyone's doing it so it's fine, right? Everything's legal man, as long as you don't get caught.

The whole reason we have a protestant reformation in the first place is because of the outright rejection of a subscription model.

They used to say we are going to have flying cars, cured diseases and utopia. But instead America took prayer out of school and one generation later we got 200 genders and licensing instead of ownership. You know the main difference between capitalism and communism is property ownership.

For Logos, we get the AI search, phone sync, monthly free book, temp access to a generic book collection etc. Fine. But NOT my separately purchased books.
FaithLife isn't a streaming service or public library. I didn't buy books so that I can borrow them. Their store is a book store, not a library. Their marketing declares, "yours forever" not "ours forever".
This is a library:
https://openlibrary.org/

Big difference.
I didn't know about this export thing, so I tried it. You have to select every chapter manually. You don't get a table of contents. It has an 'exported by Logos' watermark on every page, scripture hyperlinks injected in the text and you don't get page numbers.

I can tell that reformatting books isn't the point of this export feature. It's for sectioning out pieces of a book for group use and what not. It would take me six months to manually click on each chapter and export twelve hundred books. I can tell that if they wanted us to have the books in an ebook format they would have provided that.

Logos is the place to use the books we bought. I have no intention of using something else. Just as I have no intention of using my spare key to get in my house. But that doesn't mean I don't keep a spare key. Currently FaithLife is keeping the key to the front door of my books, making me a renter not an owner.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1360315#Comment_1360315

Ya. If I wanted to jailbreak the books I would have done that already and no one would have known about it.

Bernhard

@ASUNDER
I didn't know about this export thing, so I tried it. You have to select every chapter manually. You don't get a table of contents. It has an 'exported by Logos' watermark on every page, scripture hyperlinks injected in the text and you don't get page numbers.
I can tell that reformatting books isn't the point of this export feature. It's for sectioning out pieces of a book for group use and what not. It would take me six months to manually click on each chapter and export twelve hundred books. I can tell that if they wanted us to have the books in an ebook format they would have provided that.

Read this thread:

https://community.logos.com/discussion/124007/video-tutorial-how-to-send-to-kindle-after-the-send-to-kindle-service-is-switched-off

Everything described there should still work. Instead of sending the Word file to Kindle, you can use Calibre to convert the book to any other format you might wish for. You can use that program to sort and tag those books and even search them (obviously nothing comparable to searching the book in Logos).

You do realize that your rants and nagging won't change anything, right? These are industry-wide decisions that were made long ago and with Logos not owning the copyright to most books, there is no way for them to change anything without losing the contracts with most publishers, even if they wanted. Then there is also the history of people abusing things. I am actually constantly amazed that the workaround described in the thread is still working. I hardly use it, because I mostly don't see a need for it, but for me this is the only spare key I need… 😉

DMB

@ASUNDER , as usual, you're comments are mealy-mouthed and you tip-toe around the problem, not wanting to offend. Shoulders back, and tuck that tummy in!!

On the iOS store (Apple, but not Apple's fault … this time), the downloaded app will ask for some hefty subscription … you say no … and then it offers you a good deal. I've had that happen twice now. Like a rat in a maze, I'm learning to refuse subscriptions, to see what's next.

On Logos, it's working great! I don't have the awful menu that everyone's trying to rationalize. I don't have a single 'unowned' book that would disappear (granted a license). I don't have bad changes that they changed their mind on, but didn't implement completely. I don't see ANY AI. Whoo hoo! Oh my, it's getting better and better! I wonder what's next?!

Justin Gatlin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1360322#Comment_1360322

You're conflating the subscription model for features with a subscription to maintain access to your books. Logos has promised there will always be a free tier: you don't need a subscription to read them. If Logos went out of business, they would be bought by somebody else, not just disappear. Their customer base, name recognition, and existing network of contracts is too good to just vanish. So it is very reasonable to think you'll have Logos for a long time.

The software provides export functionality so you can pull out your content in controlled chunks. It is not designed to export your entire library but you can create a macro if you really want to. All major publishers require sellers to incorporate DRM into their ebook. Logos can't give you an unrestricted epub, even if they want to, because contracts with Zondervan/Baker/Tyndale will not let them.

Please try and keep your discussion focused on the software itself.

DMB

Where did that come from: "discussion focused on the software itself"? Is that new to MVP's?

Doc B

This is entertaining.

Please don't stop!

Richard Dowdy

The above discussion does make me wonder, how binding is FaithLIfe's commitment to always offer a free version? Is it just a policy that could be reversed at any time? Or is it backed by a more binding covenant, hopefully one that would survive a change of ownership, like how if you sell a house the new owner is still under any HOA agreements and easements, if you sell a company the new owner still has to pay out pensions, etc.?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1360380#Comment_1360380

Your example of pensions illustrates the principle … a federal law was needed. Companies go forward relative to specific laws (eg deed restrictions), and their own decision making.

I'm not a lawyer (obviously), but I'd suspect a contractual relationship would have to show up in the user agreement … which is changable at a moment's notice, not clearly notice'd, and agreed to when you participate.

For all practical purposes, it's the company itself you trust … as they move forward. Bob (prior CEO) made a point years back, that the customer base was too large, for wild risk assessments to be serious. And probably with the latest church subscription concept, the customer base outcry, would tend to buffer any major changes.

Justin Gatlin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1360366#Comment_1360366

It has been in the forum guidelines for as long as I can remember.

Screenshot_20250228-113722.png

I meant that moving from DRM to discussions about the collapse of Western civilization are out of place, not that we can't discuss resources or the company broadly. I apologize if my wording was unclear.

EastTN

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1360382#Comment_1360382

I don't see it happening soon, given the current political environment, but I expect there will ultimately have to be consumer protection legislation to clarify how the "sale" of digital assets works.

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1360337#Comment_1360337

Ok I gave that a try.

Export 'Page Selection Range' didn't work at all, no matter how I tried. So I checked every single box, exported.

In MS Word, I did the surgery on this small ebook. Removed hyperlinks, reformatted link text, removed footers, created a table of contents (configuring headers to work with it, somewhat destroying the original fonts), inserted page breaks, cleaned up widows and orphans, fixed the margins (forgot to insert auto-page numbers).

Set metadata: Author, Title, Subject, Tags, Comment, Date Modified, Rating.
Convert to pdf. Page breaks didn't work at all and Foxit doesn't detect the table of contents (you have to use bookmarks or something instead).

The guy in the video said this takes ten minutes. I started at 1pm, with a few brief MS Word refresher tutorials, it is now 5pm. To properly export a 60 page ebook. And I still have a broken document that I still have to figure out how to fix further.

You're wondering how this still works? Because just like every other company, FaithLife knows exactly what they're doing. Force is not the only way of protection; obscurity is a way too. This 'Export' is allowed because the method of time attrition discourages exporting books for a personal backup copy (something that is a consumer right). It's a ridiculous waste of anybody's time and something we should not have to do, being paying customers. It's like going to a restaurant and being expected to cook your own food cause you are only paying for the raw food ingredients.

Just like a YouTube video, a young woman barely dressed doing "yoga for educational purposes". With coincidental "links" to an OF's page. Top comments: "She knows exactly what she's doing." Yup. The masses pretend like they don't know the game that's being played; the shot callers playing us all like a fiddle, but we just keep pretending they aren't doing it and they keep pretending they aren't doing it. While math has no ability to lie. Just changing the names of these Old-World-Order systems of tyranny and domination, and call it a day. The common man is none the wiser; not wanting to lose what little he has to resist the powers that be.

…

I used a third party program to block Logos' internet access to see what happens. As I predicted it refused to run. It actually bricked the program entirely; I had to restart my computer to fix it. I got lucky; if I had to reinstall Logos, would have I lost my library, and/or all the 'book info' configuring work that I've done? (There is no 'User Options Export')

So what does that mean? That people can use the defense of the 'free Logos version' means "yours forever" is not fraud, but what about the internet access requirement? Uh oh. And the fact that the 'Use Internet' toggle button is evidently clandestine itself.

This same 60 page book, Logos says it's a 140 page book btw. Yup cause that's not fraud either.
A while back I caught Glitch Machines copying wav samples, and just renaming them and barely changing them to fill out sample packs; so that they can take a sample pack that's content is worth $25 and sell it for $50. This is called corrupt scales (smudging the numbers), which God calls abomination.

I would say that I wonder what the FTC thinks about these things, but I can hazard a guess they already know. Why? Because of what Amazon just got away with. The big names have the money to bribe the corrupt government. Since justice is blind, they can't be telling smaller companies that they can't run these false advertising rackets, because the big companies would have to adhere to that standard as well (Same problem with generative AI copyright infringement).

As in: Of course it's fraud! And we all know it.
The golden rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

I'm highly disappointed, that's all I have to say.

Aaron Hamilton

I'm sorry, why does the "Use Internet" toggle in program settings fail to meet your needs?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1360848#Comment_1360848

It's my favorite setting! I use it constantly and quite efficient. 'No' means 'leave me alone'.