Buy Scholar's Gold now or wait for Logos 4.0?

I have Scholar's Silver Series X and I'm planning to upgrade soon to Gold. I am wondering if I should just wait until 4.0 comes out. Does anyone know how pricing works on upgrades? Would I gain more bang for my buck by waiting to upgrade? I'd hate to upgrade to Scholars Gold 3 and then see 4.0 come out by the end of the year if I could have saved money by upgrading directly from Silver X to Gold 4.0.

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Jacob Hantla

On the upgrade when Gold first came out, Logos was extremely good about the discounts. I don't think I would have saved any money holding off...We haven' t heard any indication that the next version would be out by the end of the year (no dates given that I'm aware of)...so I'd recommend going ahead and doing it and enjoy your resources.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18661#Comment_18661

I agree with Jacob. Given the history of how this works, you will not lose out by doing it now. You can go online and get an upgrade price that is based on your current purchases.

David Gullick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18663#Comment_18663

Do we have any idea of how much $$ upgrading to 4.0 wil be?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18665#Comment_18665

It's a $500 upgrade for me, and if the upgrade pricing works in such a way that every dollar you have paid for a package in the past is applied against the retail price of the new version you're upgrading to then there's no point in waiting. I just wonder if that's really how it works. I can also see the upgrade pricing scheme applying only a percentage of the total you have paid in the past against the retail price of the newest version.

Donovan R. Palmer

I'd hate to upgrade to Scholars Gold 3 and then see 4.0 come out by the end of the year if I could have saved money by upgrading directly from Silver X to Gold 4.0.

It is anyone's guess when 4.0 will come out, but popular estimation on here is that we won't see 4.0 until next year. Personally, I'm guessing summer onwards.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18665#Comment_18665

Do we have any idea of how much $ upgrading to 4.0 wil be?

Upgrading to 4.0 won't cost anything. Logos programs have always been free. We only pay for resources. Usually, when there's a major upgrade, new boxed sets, or upgraded boxed sets are released at a good price. Whatever that cost will be, or if there will be any great deals this time is anyone's guess.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18674#Comment_18674

I agree with Richard,

I think in the past we've seen "cross grade" pricing for moving from different collections like

Scholars Silver ND t-> Scholars Silver OC or whatever the letters were. The pricing difference was because different resources were added to the collection.

Summary: We only pay the price of resources, the engine is included.

So go ahead and buy L3 why put off what is already a powerful tool?

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18670#Comment_18670

It's a $500 upgrade for me, and if the upgrade pricing works in such a way that every dollar you have paid for a package in the past is applied against the retail price of the new version you're upgrading to then there's no point in waiting. I just wonder if that's really how it works. I can also see the upgrade pricing scheme applying only a percentage of the total you have paid in the past against the retail price of the newest version.

Bryan,

As long as the current teadership remains at the helm of Logos, you can rest assured you will be treated very fairly. All the hoop-la about companies gouging users on upgrades has NOT been the case with Logos. In fact, there is only one other company that even tries to mimmick Logos by applying your current investment towards bigger packages. Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade! You will be happy you did.

Ken Shawver

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18818#Comment_18818

Bryan,

I took the upgrade path from the old Pastor's Library (I believe it is referred to as the Leader's Library now) through the Scholar's to Gold about a year and a half ago. As Thomas pointed out if they make a change to the collection the price varies. I talked to Jared Bryant who let me know some changes were coming when I went Gold and that if I wanted to get some of the resources that were not going to be included in the future to buy now. Undoubtedly they will revamp the collections some when the next version comes out, but in most cases waiting will have very little benefit.

Just my two cents.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18832#Comment_18832

I think your question has been sufficiently answered: upgrading versions of Logos (3.0 to 4.0) do not cost you. Sometimes new editions of base packages will vary in content from its most direct predecessor: it may delete or add some products. But usually you have little way of knowing what will change, and it is often minor. No sense in waiting x-amount of months for 4.0 when you could be rockin' now.

Wes Saad

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18674#Comment_18674

Richard,

Sometimes the engine does cost. The Mac engine costs. I don't know if this will become a trend or will just apply to the Mac version, but I suspect they will continue to provide free engine upgrades for the PC version.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18884#Comment_18884

Sometimes the engine does cost. The Mac engine costs.

You're right it does. Then again Mac users are used to paying more for the same functionality. [ouch! who hit me?]

We'll see if Logos decides to charge Mac users for upgrades to the Mac program though.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18832#Comment_18832

I know that an upgrade to the program does not cost anything. What I am wondering about is the additional resources that will likely be included in 4.0 Gold or whatever the naming scheme is at that point.

In upgrading from Scholars Silver X to Gold 3.0 I will be paying money because I will be receiving new resources. The same for upgrading from X -> 4.0 or 3.0 Gold -> 4.0. Which upgrade path gives me more bang for my buck?

Alain Maashe

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18967#Comment_18967

Waiting for 4.0 should clearly give you more bang for your buck since you are only doing one upgrade instead of two.

However, it is only a good deal if 4.0 comes out in the near future (hopefully by ETS and SBL, a month from now). If it is pushed back to the middle of next year or later, it becomes a less attractive option since you will have to balance out getting a greater discount versus getting to use the various new resources now.

I would wait until the end of November to make a decision (if 4.0 is not out or announced by then, it will probably not come out this year ). My belief is that they planned to get it out this year; the question is whether they are on track.

Alain

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18975#Comment_18975

With what we know (and don't know) I would think you would be better off upgrading now.

1. We don't know what resources will be included with the next version (and which will be lost that are currently available)

2. We don't know when it will be released.

3. We do have a pretty good idea that there will be no charge for the new engine.

There may be new resources to allow any new features (as there have been in the past), but the upgrade price has tended to be very reasonable to just pick up those resources.

Personally, I am glad I started using Logos when I did and have benefited from the upgrades.

My suggestion is to upgrade now, get the benefits of the current collection, and possibly do another smaller upgrade if desired when Logos 4 Gold (or whatever it will be called) is released.

You may save a bit of $ by waiting, but that is not certain since we don't know what the upgrade pricing will be, and you may miss out on any resources they drop from the collection that you would have liked. Since we don't know the pricing or the resources for the next version, I would upgrade now.

Jacob Hantla

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18975#Comment_18975

Waiting for 4.0 should clearly give you more bang for your buck since you are only doing one upgrade instead of two.

Historically it has not worked this way. Generally the next upgrade price is custom-calculated for what you already own. So I don't think that this is an accurate statement.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18920#Comment_18920

Sometimes the engine does cost. The Mac engine costs.

You're right it does. Then again Mac users are used to paying more for the same functionality. [ouch! who hit me?]

I have been using the Mac since 1984 and my experience contradicts this myth.

Jack

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19002#Comment_19002

I have been using the Mac since 1984 and my experience contradicts this myth.

Now why should I trust experience when I have nice, juicy rumors?

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18992#Comment_18992

Generally the next upgrade price is custom-calculated for what you already own.

Careful.

This is not true at face value. It's true on a package to package upgrade. That is, if I own the Leaders Library and have not purchased other resources, and want to get the newly upgraded Leaders Library (or a higher level Library), the price you pay will be customized to reflect your current Leaders Library ownership. However, if you have been buying additional resources since your purchase of the boxed set, and those resources are part of that upgraded set, or the higher level set you want to buy, that part of what I own may not be calculated into your upgrade price. This has been the case in the past, and it's caused some frustration on the part of some Logos users.

The reason for this, we have been told, is that Logos has to negotiate these upgrade deals with multiple publishers and may only offer them as package deals. That's how the upgrade price breaks are negotiated. Typically, the price break is significant enough that even if you already own several of the resources that have now become part of the upgraded package you want, you still come out ahead (but not always). Besides, you've been using and benefiting from those resources ever since you bought them - that's worth something too.

However, in answer to the specific question of this thread, about buying Scholar's Gold now or waiting for any new offerings in a Scholar's Gold upgrade package in the future, your answer applies. If you bought Scholars Gold today, and Libronix released an upgraded Scholar's Gold, or a Scholars Platinum (or some new ultimate collection) tomorrow, you'd probably still come out ahead. Obviously, there's no way to prove that. All we can go on is what's been true in the past.

Alain Maashe

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18992#Comment_18992

Waiting for 4.0 should clearly give you more bang for your buck since you are only doing one upgrade instead of two.

Historically it has not worked this way. Generally the next upgrade price is custom-calculated for what you already own. So I don't think that this is an accurate statement.

You have misunderstood my point.

Historically, and according to Logos' own numbers the less upgrades you make to get to a specific collection, the more money you save. this takes into account the discount you receive for the resources you already own.

If Bryan buys Scholar’s Gold 3.0 now and Scholar's Gold 4.0 includes exactly the same resources, upgrading from 3.0 to 4.0 should be free since he would only be upgrading the engine (Logos calls it an "update").

It is more likely that Scholar's Gold 4.0 will include additional resources the same way all pre -version 3.0 collections needed to be upgraded to version 3.0 for a fee ( i.e. Scholar's Library (RA) to Scholar's Library (ND) for $89.5)

if more resources are added to Scholar's Gold 4.0 or if he want to upgrade to Scholar's "Ultimate" 4.0 (or whatever it will be called) instead he would have made two upgrades; the first one to Scholar's Gold 3.0 and the second one to Scholar's Gold 4.0 or Scholar's "Ultimate" 4.0.

The additional cost due the multiple upgrades path should be minimal if he only wants Scholar's Gold 4.0 but might be more substantial if he wants to get Scholar's "Ultimate" 4.0. after upgrading to Scholar's Gold 3.0 (as opposed to going directly from what he has now to Scholar's "Ultimate" 4.0 ).

the same principle applies with buying the top package directly (i.e, Scholar's Gold 3.0) versus upgrading one or more times to get to the top package in the same version of the software.

Alain

Wes Saad

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18920#Comment_18920

Then again Mac users are used to paying more for the same functionality.

Alas, that is not the case here. We are paying more for less functionality. The Mac version lags far behind the Windows version.

Alas, it is true, though, that Macs and Mac software is generally more expensive than for Windows. There are exceptions, even some notable exceptions, but for some reason people feel justified charging more for their software on a Mac than a PC. Injustice!

Richard Crampton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19145#Comment_19145

This why I would never own a MAC. It is really nothing more than an overpriced PC. At least since they have started using intel processors. In fact, some people are hacking their PC's to run the MAC operating system.

Donovan R. Palmer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19182#Comment_19182

This why I would never own a MAC. It is really nothing more than an overpriced PC. At least since they have started using intel processors. In fact, some people are hacking their PC's to run the MAC operating system.

Well, there are two broad components for computers. Hardware and software. The hardware in Macs are very similar in some aspects, but big differences as well (for example the current touch pad, isight camera, etc)

The software on the other hand is much different. Mac software is a POSIX type system (FreeBSD). Also because Apple knows what kind of hardware configurations are going to be in their machines, the operating system is less prone to problems as opposed to hundreds, maybe thousands of possible types of hardware configurations in a PC.

Are Macs perfect? No. Just check out the forums and you'll see problems that sound just like a PC. However, I think that POSIX type operating systems have had historically a number of advantages over Windows. This is one of the factors in fueling the Linux movement.

Are they overpriced? After 15 years of battling Windows boxes of all variants, we are happy we paid a bit more to get a Mac. Aside from speed, security, stability, etc. the applications on OSX tend to be extraordinary (such as iMovie). It seems like money well spent to us. There are also some programmes that you cannot get for the PC which are stunning, for example: Scrivner, DEVONthink, Delicious Library, iChat (multivideo conferencing) and another Mac Bible programme to name a few.

At the end of the day, if someone tells me they are happy with their PC, I tell them to stick with it. However, if they are on a rant of some of the problems that we have had over the years with Windows machines, I'll introduce them to an alternative or two. As technology stands today, we have no desire to go back.

BTW, brace yourself for the media and marketing blitz that we will be getting very soon with Windows 7. [:D]

Glad I waited! http://www.logos.com/platinum

Alain Maashe

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/24155#Comment_24155

Glad I waited! http://www.logos.com/platinum

Indeed