For numerous versions back, my program started adding LAYOUTS on its own. The picture shows 4 TODAY when I only did one. Plus, 1 is a screenshot of my HOME page.
Are you talking about the four "Saved Layouts" on the left (2025 Chron 21, Bible & Com, Ephesians Lutheran, and Guides) or are you talking about the four layouts on the right (Application Closed, Snapshot, 2025 Chron 21, Snapshot)?
If you are talking about the four on the right, that is (and has always been) a list of recent layout states. That list will automatically get pruned so that it does not get too large. It is intended as a way to allow you to get back to recent states that you may not have explicitly saved.
Thanks for responding. I'm talking about the Right Side of the Layout popup. We have three options. 1) Save as Named Layout, 2a) Save as and 2B) Delete.
The program should not do something I don't ask it to do. If I don't hit "Save as", nothing should happen. If I hit "Delete", it should DELETE it.
But it is saving a continually growing list of Layouts I never saved. That falls under the heading of "Assumption". Databases should never make decisions for me.
It is analogous to your browser history, being a listing of recent panel configurations (snapshots). It is intended to be temporary, not permanent.
The stable list of layouts that you are looking for is the one on the left side.
It is working as intended, but if you have ideas about what you would like to see different, I recommend going to the Product Suggestions page (there's a link up at the top of this page) and making your suggestion there so that others can show their support for the idea by voting on it.
Andrew - In all due respect, I get your logic. That which has frustrated me and Logos since Libonix Days. You just shut my door to honestly give Logos a 10 out of 10. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE my Logos. I have been instrumental in either paying for numerous Pastors or friends to have Logos. I use it every day with P Lists 142, 93 Notebooks, and countless Highlights. And I am not even on staff in any Church. Retired at 78.
In all due respect, I am guessing you are an engineer. Logos is built by and for engineers. I suggest you look up the story of how the company succeeded with publishing the "DUMBIES" computer manuals.
computers for dummies - Search
Logos needs to be built for dumbies to save time, which is money etc. The old KISS system still prevails. If Logos engineers do not have a team of Rookies revolving through the door, to advise how WE THINK, you will remain above our pay grade, or at least we will only grasp 1/4 of the Logos power.
"Works as intended". It is a failure waiting to happen categorically. I have worked with massive databases in SQL, Oracle and built Access databases.
Layout should NEVER assume I might like more than I tell it to. It did not use to save my HOME PAGE on its own. Mine just saved 6 "Snapshots" on its own. Now, if that is a setting somewhere else that I don't know about, I'm sorry for my rant. Then it needs a button on the Layout popup so that I can fix it.
I apologize for not being clear in what I was trying to say. If you are looking for action to be taken on a bug, then the correct way forward is to report it in this forum. A bug report will be created, and the report will be prioritized and worked on when it fits in the schedule.
However, if you are looking for action to be taken on a feature request (which means a new feature or making a change to an existing feature that is currently operating as expected), then the way that Logos has set up to get this done is to create a Product Suggestion post. This gives the opportunity for other members of the community to express their support on the matter. That support becomes one factor in determining whether or not to work on the proposed feature.
"Works as intended" was definitely not meant on my part to be a dismissal of your request for a change to happen. It was meant to help you understand how Logos has requested for this kind of thing to be handled.
The auto-save snapshots have 'saved' me several times. Especially with an unexpected equipment malfunction.
And they do self-manage.
Please read my essays :-( I'm not talking about Auto-save. Mine is saving "Snapshots" that are NOT mine, and you see it is showing my FRONT HOME PAGE. I have had to Delete dozens of those "Saved Snap Shots". GRR
Snapshots and auto-save are synonimous in my comment. And yes, many of us have done software design for large companies.
On your Grrr, you absolutely don't want snapshots, or they're not self-deleting correctly? Or just not on your Home page?
The application does save a snapshot when you exit that application so that you can easily get back to it when you start up again. I would assume you exited the application while viewing the Dashboard.
The snapshots are also synced, so if you are running the desktop software on multiple machines (using the same account), then you would see snapshots from your other machines.
If you are saying that the Dashboard snapshot titled "Application Closed" showed up when you did not exit the application and had not visited the Dashboard, then this is a new bug that I have not seen reported anywhere else yet. In that case I recommend turning on logging from the Program Settings. Then continue using the application normally, and keep an eye on the layout menu. If you can recreate a snapshot being added to the list without actually having had the application in that configuration, then immediately post your log files here so we can take a look: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360027869132-How-to-Enable-and-Submit-Log-Files
Thanks Andrew, for your time. Just checking the last 15 times I used Logos. I find 10 Applications Closed, 6 of which are Dashboards. To me, that is a lot of redundancy and database junk. I appreciate the usefulness of Layouts, especially for rookies and old memories. But I only need to screw up 3 times to remember to Update my Layout.
Thanks again.
DMB - Thanks for taking my abuse. 😀 I see no applicable value in the computer deciding when it should save when I am given the option to save what I need to or want to. That means the "Application Closed" is redundant data cluttering my search. Thanks
@Rick Ratzlaff
I appreciate the usefulness of Layouts, especially for rookies and old memories
Unfortunately, I find them useful. My most common use is when I recall something that was not useful at the time I read it but had become useful as my web of knowledge grows. If I don't recall enough to find it in History, I use the snapshots to find it. Now my memory may be well-worn and approaching its expiration date but that's the only way I fit your especially for user profile.😀
BTW - I NEVER have seen them on my Home Page - and I would be annoyed if they did appear there. I see them only when I have opened the Layout menu. In your screen shot, you show the Dashboard (Home page) with the Layout menu open, not the snapshots appearing on the Dashboard.
MJ I am not saying I don't need snapshots. I agree. What I find under my skin is redundant data like Application Closed. I know I closed it.
On close is exactly when I want a snapshot as well as every time I change layouts and at set intervals as I open and close resources.
I certainly didn't try to say they are on my Homepage. They show up in my Index of Layouts by the DOZEN. Again, in a world of reduced work and redundant data, when I have complete control of what I want to save. So it can be fixed for you and me.
Every time you close your program, save and title your own Application Close snapshot.
Unfortunately, that defeats the purpose of the function. I think we have reached the agree-to-disagree point. I hope, however, each of us understand why we disagree.
