Did you know that there were 14 turkeys that went into Noah's Ark?
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Having my parents live with wild turkeys, I'm not sure I'd say they fly. But, yes, I remember reading Gen 7:2-3.😀
That reminds me of a tidbit I read as a kid in a Ripley's article saying that "a few" is defined as 8 based on the KJV rendering of 1Pet 3:20
"wherein few, that is, eight".
Besides, I'd guess a smart search could help us sift through the numeric stuff going on with the Noah story and what the Rabbinics said about it. (Not really on topic, but I wanted to pull in Logos somewhere.)
I just got this information today and was thinking it was 7 of them
I did appreciate your post - if you were simply to ask me, I would not have come up with 14 nor would I have been certain on 7 - the one think that I would have been sure of was that it was more complicated than the two-by-two of my early Sunday School days (likely part of my Gospel according to Singspiration education).
There would have been 14 of various animals, not just turkeys haha
How many were left after thanksgiving?
Why Seven for the Clean and two for the Unclean?
Did you know that 3 days and 3 nights in the Bible (and in ancient Jewish culture generally), time was often counted “inclusively.”
In inclusive reckoning:
This is different from our modern way of thinking, where we often imagine a “day” as a strict 24-hour block.
The phrase “three days and three nights” (e.g., Jonah in the fish, Jesus referencing the “sign of Jonah”) is often understood in this inclusive way too:
So from an ancient Jewish perspective, “three days and three nights” doesn’t have to mean a mathematically exact 72 hours as we often think today. It’s more of a Semitic idiom for a period spanning parts of three calendar days.
You’re right that today we tend to think:
But biblically:
If you’d like, I can walk through how this plays into the different views of the timeline of Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection (Friday–Sunday vs other proposals) and how each tries to handle “three days and three nights.”
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Let’s walk through how this affects the timeline of Jesus’ death and resurrection and the phrase “three days and three nights.”
Jesus says:
“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” — Matthew 12:40
At first glance, with a modern 24‑hour mindset, that sounds like a strict 72 hours. But in biblical/Jewish idiom:
So “three days and three nights” can still be fulfilled by:
…as long as the period spans portions of three Jewish days.
You can see inclusive counting in how the Gospels talk about the resurrection:
These phrases are used for the same event, which only makes sense if:
The most common traditional view is:
Counted inclusively as Jews would:
From a modern 72‑hour standpoint, that’s about 36 hours or so. From an ancient inclusive standpoint, that’s “three days” and can be spoken of as “three days and three nights” in idiomatic form.
This is similar to Esther:
You’re right that:
So “three days and three nights” is not lying or inaccurate; it’s using a different convention of counting time than we normally use now.
@John W Jones welcome to the Logos community forums. I can appreciate the fact that you would like to share some of the discoveries you make about the Bible, but the Logos forums are not a platform for teaching, debating or sharing christianity-related content, but is specifically for the purpose of asking questions, sharing tips, making suggestions or reporting issues about Logos Bible Software and its resources.
@Francis is right, of course. But in the spirit of things, I came here to post basically the same thing @John did. 😊
14 divided by 2 equals 7. Seven is the perfect number. That’s why there was 14.
I've always assumed culinary purposes - during and after the trip in the ark.
@John After Thanksgiving, the remaining ones left actually multiplied. They all moved to a beautiful new farm called Congress. (Just Kidding!).
@Francis While I appreciate the purpose of the Logos Forums. Sometimes we learn the best from other's seemingly unimportant information. Real world research techniques and questions. Thank you for not being too hard on us newbies to the forum. I have been using Logos since around 2004 or so. (As well as some other bible study software products that were absorbed into Logos.) But the new structure of Logos with AI etcetera has changed the landscape of bible study, sermon and lesson preparation. For some reason, I found this post helpful and again, thank you for not moderating too strictly and deleting it.
Perhaps seven male and seven female? 7 the perfect number of completion?
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