where can I find Origen On Prayer?

I need help finding a reference. Specifically, Origen On Prayer, and I am in need of the Greek text. I have been looking through the stuff I own and can't find this specific reference in my Origen stuff, but I can't find it on the Logos website either.

Any help about where I could find this would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Don Awalt

Yep, Tomus XI has it:

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DMB

Do you have Patrologia Graeca v11 (6th entry)?

NichtnurBibelleser

German translation: https://ref.ly/a/vomgebet/title

Strange formatting of the link!

NichtnurBibelleser

Factbook pointed me to

https://verbum.com/product/157150/origen-prayer-exhortation-to-martyrdom?utm_source=verbum-desktop-app&utm_medium=unlicensed-book-result&utm_content=factbook-null

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1390484#Comment_1390484

English.

NichtnurBibelleser

English.

Right. Sorry. But I wanted to point out a method:

And again, you are right: PG seems to be the only option available.

Kristin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1390468#Comment_1390468

Hi @DMB, Thank you, and apparently I don't. I have Patrologia Graeca, Tomus VI: Greek Text, which is where I went looking for it and couldn't find it, but now I see the issue is that I was looking in VI when I need XI, which I don't own. But if I do get XI the "On Prayer" thing is there, is that correct?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1390484#Comment_1390484

Hi @NichtnurBibelleser, thank you, and I actually saw the same thing with Factbook, but that resource is only in English.

In any case, thank you again @DMB and @NichtnurBibelleser, I think we discovered the problem, that I only have Patrologia Graeca, Tomus VI: Greek Text, and I need Patrologia Graeca, Tomus XI: Greek Text.

If we can just confirm that the On Prayer thing is there, that would help.

DMB

No guarantees!

Screenshot 2026-01-03 at 11.36.20 AM.png

Kristin

Hi @DMB, Thanks for the screenshot. Looking at your screenshot, I kind of don't think it is part of it. So is the moral that we don't have a Greek version of On Prayer, and we only have the English (and, as @NichtnurBibelleser said, German) translations?

NichtnurBibelleser

The German version is found for free here, maybe the introduction helps:

https://bkv.unifr.ch/de/works/cpg-1477/versions/einleitung-vom-gebet/divisions/4

NichtnurBibelleser

Found a Greek version online:

https://scaife.perseus.org/reader/urn%3Acts%3AgreekLit%3Atlg2042.tlg008.perseus-grc1%3A1

Source:

Origenes. Origenes Werke, Vol 2. Koetschau, Paul, editor. Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899.

NichtnurBibelleser

This edition includes also the Greek text:

https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110376456/html?lang=de&srsltid=AfmBOork6gNMricajR3SR2k1NVK6bWd4u_buVhvFCQg9_hcAin1dWq4C

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DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1390516#Comment_1390516

I'm not familiar with Origen's 'On Prayer'. I'd assume (don't know) that like everything else ancient, there's multiple copies/versions. I just compared several sections of 'On Prayer' (Pratrologia) to an english version in Ancient Christian Writings below. I used 'translate' for quick comparisons. Looks the same, as it goes along, ACW's english being pretty glossy.

I highlighted Patrologia fed to the TranslateColumn, and then highlighted Translate-Comparison to ACW-Comparison … the same section, in comparison.

Don Awalt

Yep, Tomus XI has it:

Kristin

Hi @Don Awalt, thank you! I know I should say I don't know how I missed it in @DMB's screenshot, but the truth is, Greek caps are tricky for me to read sometimes, which makes table of contents also hard to read. Anyway, thanks again!

Hi @NichtnurBibelleser, thank you also for that Greek link. :)

Kyle G. Anderson

Factbook has also been updated to include data for about 3500 writings like this. Just enter the name of the writing and Factbook can point you to books in your library that include the writing:

DMB

Pretty nifty!

NichtnurBibelleser

Factbook has also been updated to include data for about 3500 writings like this. Just enter the name of the writing and Factbook can point you to books in your library that include the writing:

That's nice, @Kyle G. Anderson ! But how do I find this in my Verbum, German UI?
Unsuccessful are "Origenes’ on prayer", "On prayer", "De oratione", "Über das Gebet"

except

Only the full English entry title term yields

Kyle G. Anderson

@NichtnurBibelleser unfortunately the localization from English to German hasn't been finished for the works of Origen. I'm not sure where it is on their list of priorities.