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Carta is indeed an outstanding resource, and Sacred Bridge pretty much sets the standard. It is, however, long and technical and expensive. For reference work, however, you do pretty much need to consult it.
I have been looking for a teaching atlas, i.e., one I can use as a text in my seminary course, "Survey of the Lands of the Bible."
I have two blog posts, one post explaining my interests HERE and a followup HERE.
I decided to use Beitzel's The New Moody Bible Atlas this year, but I'm working through Currid and Barrett's Crossway ESV Bible Atlas at the same time. So far, I'm a little bit wishing I'd gone w/ Crossway's.
In any case, I'd like to see these in Logos.
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I am on board to get this Carta resource as soon as Logos announce it. "A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the Hebrew Language for Readers of English"
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I bought a package in the 'other' Bible software company. Just to buy the Carta resources. I very much doubt Logos hasn't decided on Carta ...
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I'm headed to Israel in January for 3 weeks, and would really like to have The Sacred Bridge on my ipad...
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Bruce, my comment was a backwards way of saying that Logos has probably got as far as it can on Carta; ball's somewhere in Israel most likely. Carta as a full package is a 'decision' but the individual resources like Sacred Bridge are easily affordable. A Carta pre-pub would not likely last a day (exaggeration?) since Christians and Jewish folks would have easy use of it in various classes and personal study. It's heavily studded with textual explanation, archaeology, etc, and so its value. And production-wise, it's similar to the Civil War resources ... text and images. Not too fancy.
Carefully avoiding 'the competition' (if that's possible), but the other non-Carta resource that is usually presented with Carta is even better (if that is possible). I've not been to Israel but I wouldn't go without the non-Carta resource, it's that good. I think I would stay awake the whole flight just being impressed.
But I will repeat my oft-displayed 'rant', and that is that Logos absolutely refuses to fully display its prowess and content in an easy to use fashion. I suspect that much of what's in Carta/non-Carta is 'somewhere' in Logos, FaithLife, etc, etc.
A bit OT, but today Milford was giving life-experience lessons in trying to remain calm but express frustration at the absence of easy guidance on Logos mobile offerings. I was busily taking notes; he is a wonder to learn from.
Another OT for anyone going to Israel and wanting to work on topos on iOS (my absolute requirement). 'TwoNav'. Of course it chews up data like there's no tomorrow.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Thanks Denise for your fuller explanation. I've had the privilege of going to Israel twice in my life and would love to have taken Carta resources with me. Maybe a third time is an option in the future but there are no plans for that.
I still hold on to hope that Carta resources may some day be a reality in Logos.
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Let's hope, Bruce. There really isn't a good, non-evangelical Bible atlas available for Logos.
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A new thread just reminded me of another possible reason for Logos delaying Carta resources: image quality. Carta needs it, and Logos doesn't have a great record of delivering it. Shipping these with poor image quality would be pretty disastrous.
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Bruce Dunning said:
I just wrote a suggestion to Logos. – The Macmillan Bible Atlas but Yohanon Aharoni and Michael Avi-Yonah. What I love about this atlas is that it has specific maps for most of the major Bible events that would benefit from maps.
http://www.amazon.ca/Macmillan-Bible-Atlas-Yohanan-Aharoni/dp/0025006053
This by far is the best Bible Atlas that I have owned and would love to see it in Logos.
Same book different name….
The Carta Bible Atlas
by Yohanon Aharoni
This fourth edition of the best-selling The Macmillan Bible Atlas brings the latest findings of biblical, historical, and archaeological research to its sweeping cartographic portrayal of biblical history.- settlement and mass migrations of populations
- skirmishes, battles, and conquests described in the Bible
- economic developments, trade routes, and natural resources
- the movements of biblical characters within the Holy Land, its districts and cities
- archaeological excavations in the Holy Land from the Stone Age, the Chalcolithic period, and the Israelite and Second Temple periods
- the journeys of the Apostles and the growth of the Church in the first and second centuries A.D.
In addition, valuable appendices, a detailed comparative chronology of early civilizations, a key to the maps according to the books of the Bible, and a new index to persons make this work the most comprehensive Bible Atlas available.Hardcover, 223 pagesPublished January 10th 2002 by Carta JerusalemI wonder if Accordance holds a computer exclusive on Carta products since they partnered with them a few years back to bring all Carta products to Accordance.-Dan0 -
Dan Francis said:
Same book different name….
Yes Dan, this is the book I would really like to see in Logos. Thanks for promoting it.
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I had a great email exchange with someone at Carta over the last few days confirming that they are very interested in seeing Carta resources come to Logos. I would love to hear if Logos is interested in pursuing this opportunity.
In addition I heard the following from Carta about this resource -
"In 2011 we issued the 5th Revised & Expanded Edition of The Carta Bible Atlas. UBrucepdated by the late Prof Anson F. Rainey himself with Prof R. Steven Notley expanding the N. T. section. It is a thoroughly improved version."
Is anyone else excited about seeing this in Logos?
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Bruce Dunning said:
I had a great email exchange with someone at Carta over the last few days confirming that they are very interested in seeing Carta resources come to Logos. I would love to hear if Logos is interested in pursuing this opportunity.
In addition I heard the following from Carta about this resource -
"In 2011 we issued the 5th Revised & Expanded Edition of The Carta Bible Atlas. UBrucepdated by the late Prof Anson F. Rainey himself with Prof R. Steven Notley expanding the N. T. section. It is a thoroughly improved version."
Is anyone else excited about seeing this in Logos?
I would like to see it… I have had the Carta ultimate collection on my Accordance wish list for a long while….just always seems more important… and wish lists are usually for the time you have much extra money...
-Dan
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I have the 5th edition of the Carta Bible Atlas in book form. It's outstanding. I'd love to have it in Logos.
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Bump...
It's about time to see if we can drum up some more votes for Carta maps.
Cast your vote here - https://prepub.uservoice.com/forums/183407-general/suggestions/3718024-add-books-from-carta
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Well, I guess the clock's ticking away for me.
As earlier mentioned, I got Another Bible Software's Carta Bible Atlas, Sacred Bridge and non-Carta Photoguide (the best of the 3). The Atlas, that's been re-badged, is not that impressive per se, but does include some maps that otherwise are buried elsewhere in our Logos libraries. Menerptah's vacation in Palestine comes to mind.
Now my new Carta friend is 'the Quest'. I wasn't too enthused with more maps of theoretical Jerusalem history (emphasis on theoretical). But the Quest is much more detail mainly beginning 'in the days of King Herod' and archaeologically moving backward.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
As earlier mentioned, I got Another Bible Software's Carta Bible Atlas
I'm still holding out for Logos although I am tempted to consider other options if there is no chance of getting it in Logos.
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Thanks for keeping my thread alive Bruce. 3+ years now, and still waiting.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Add them both please. There's always room for more of this sort of material. It can be easy to overlook the significance of geography when reading the scriptures.
Bruce Dunning said:I've never used the Carta Atlas but your post reminded me of my favorite atlas that I have ever used.
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I just wrote a suggestion to Logos. – The Macmillan Bible Atlas but Yohanon Aharoni and Michael Avi-Yonah. What I love about this atlas is that it has specific maps for most of the major Bible events that would benefit from maps.
http://www.amazon.ca/Macmillan-Bible-Atlas-Yohanan-Aharoni/dp/0025006053
This by far is the best Bible Atlas that I have owned and would love to see it in Logos.
Can anyone compare the Carta with the Macmillan?
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Ben said:
Thanks for keeping my thread alive Bruce. 3+ years now, and still waiting.
You are welcome Ben. We all have much to gain from keeping this alive.
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I was tired of waiting on Logos and bought it last year during a sale at a competitor that used to be Mac only.
A year later, I am glad I did it then.
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Here is a recent blog about the best Bible atlas ever -
http://abramkj.com/2014/06/11/the-best-bible-atlas-ever/
Oh how I continue to wish it would be available in Logos.
Perhaps this will motivate a few more to cast your vote for this with Logos - https://prepub.uservoice.com/forums/183407-general/suggestions/3718024-add-books-from-carta
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Keep on waiting for this...[Y]
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[Y] One question - does anyone know whether it is using the metric system?
Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 11
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[Y] Thumbs up again.
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What really impressed me was their using the Book of the Wars of YHWH for much of their locational information. I'm disappointed Moses had a copy in his library, but Logos refuses to carry it.[8-|]
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."If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Veli, from what I've seen (just spot-checked a few places), there is both U.S. and metric measurement given.
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Hurry up with your review already, and give readers more peeks inside! [:D]
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Ha!
You may have already seen this, but you can see a bit more here (from Carta). (Scroll down to the "Download" tab for two sample pages.)
This atlas could take a lifetime to review, but I'm shooting for 2014.
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I would have loved it in Logos but it is too late now (for me).
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Abram K-J said:
Veli, from what I've seen (just spot-checked a few places), there is both U.S. and metric measurement given.
Thanks a lot! Now I will even more [Y]
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Ben said:
Any chance we'll see some of these Carta materials in Logos? I always see these at SBL and think "wow, those are great visuals."
Or perhaps The Sacred Bridge?
http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Bridge-Cartas-Atlas-Biblical/dp/965220529X
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A bump for the Sacred Bridge.
Hoping that Logos and Carta can agree to put it out!
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Lee said:
A bump for the Sacred Bridge.
Hoping that Logos and Carta can agree to put it out!
I was thinking the same thing yesterday.
Just a reminder to anyone who thinks this is a good idea to cast your votes here - https://prepub.uservoice.com/forums/183407-general/suggestions/3718024-add-books-from-carta
This is the most effective way to get Logos' attention.
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I just got the free upgrade to the latest edition of SB on my other software a couple weeks back. This really should be in Logos too. I do not think Accordance has any type of an exclusive contract. Although I do know they have been releasing a lot new title from them in the past month or so. So Carta is not opposed to their works in computer format and being the standard reference work it is a shame Logos users can't get it.
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
Carta is not opposed to their works in computer format
We know this is true. The issues seem to revolve around contractual details. I hope that both companies will re-enter negotiations to work out the details - whatever they are.
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Or Logos/Bible! can't support the gorgeous high-definition images? At least my Logos images are pretty smudgy.
We like geology, and zooming in to the archaeological construction blocks, or the hillside views is great. I notice more and more scholarly books are including the specific geological influences (pottery identification, farming, climate, roads, etc).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Okay, Lee, you asked, here it is.
I started another forum thread just on The Sacred Bridge, too. It's awesome.
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[Y] Thanks. That was fairly comprehensive and well argued.
The way things are now, Logos is probably waiting in the wings for the third edition, before getting the scoop.
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Thanks, Lee, and you're welcome.
Third edition? They just released the second. Not sure how far off that would be....
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I appreciate your efforts to provide an extensive review for this great resource. Hopefully some day it will be in Logos.
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Sure thing! Agreed.
By the way, even the new L6 Starter package has Paul H. Wright's well-done Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas with Biblical Background and Culture.
It is an odd title, indeed, but it was previously published in very similar form as Carta's Greatness, Grace, and Glory--so I guess there is a Carta resource, of sorts, in Logos already!
One bummer, though, is that the images I've seen so far (in the patriarchs section) are not very high-res in Logos.
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Abram K-J said:
By the way, even the new L6 Starter package has Paul H. Wright's well-done Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas with Biblical Background and Culture.
It is an odd title, indeed, but it was previously published in very similar form as Carta's Greatness, Grace, and Glory--so I guess there is a Carta resource, of sorts, in Logos already!
I am aware of this and appreciate having it in Logos.
Abram K-J said:One bummer, though, is that the images I've seen so far (in the patriarchs section) are not very high-res in Logos.
I realize that they are not the best but I didn't think they were that bad either. Let's keep hoping for the full Cara atlas.
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Abram K-J said:
By the way, even the new L6 Starter package has Paul H. Wright's well-done Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas with Biblical Background and Culture.
It is an odd title, indeed, but it was previously published in very similar form as Carta's Greatness, Grace, and Glory--so I guess there is a Carta resource, of sorts, in Logos already!
Now you're making me wonder why it isn't in any of the denominational packages.
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Abram K-J said:
so I guess there is a Carta resource, of sorts, in Logos already!
There is also another resource that contains 48 maps from the Old MacMillian Bible Atlas. It is the KJV Bible Commentary by Edward Hindson. Here is the link https://www.logos.com/product/1202/kjv-bible-commentary . The maps are black and white and generally low rez but still helpful.
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John Brumett said:Abram K-J said:
so I guess there is a Carta resource, of sorts, in Logos already!
There is also another resource that contains 48 maps from the Old MacMillian Bible Atlas. It is the KJV Bible Commentary by Edward Hindson. Here is the link https://www.logos.com/product/1202/kjv-bible-commentary . The maps are black and white and generally low rez but still helpful.
I was not aware of this John. Thanks for pointing it out. I have that original MacMillian Bible Atlas which was a great help to me for years. Although these maps are helpful I would still rather see the updated version in Logos.
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