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I currently own a print copy of Carta's New Century Handbook and Atlas of the Bible (the condensed version of The Sacred Bridge), and I have a couple of questions regarding these two resources.
Before buying the condensed version, I tried to compare it with the Sacred Bridge. I found very little info in that regard, but got the impression that at least one primary difference was that the Sacred Bridge had a lot of original language textual material that was not in the condensed version. I figured I could do without that because I have no training in the original languages. But I couldn't determine if there was much in the way of other content in the Sacred Bridge that is missing in the condensed version that I might find interesting.
So here are my questions.
1) CONTENT COMPARISON
If you own (or have perused) both resources, is there much more left out of the condensed version than just the original language content? If so, can you comment on the nature of the additional content that's missing in the condensed version? As a lay-person without original language training, I'm just trying to determine if there is much in the way of other additional content in the Sacred Bridge that might make it worth purchasing even though I have the condensed version in print.
2) DIGITAL VS PRINT COMPARISON
Regardless of which version you have worked with (Sacred Bridge or New Century Handbook and Atlas of the Bible), if you've worked with both digital and print formats, what do you feel are the pros and cons of each.
By the same token, if you've only worked with one format, what do you like about it and what would you like to see changed.
Any input you can share will be appreciated.
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I guess you’re not interested in the whole enchilada? (March Mapness).
Strictly print vs digital:
1. High-res
2. Search strange places.
3. Fits in my purse. I love to read it, at random times.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Denise!Denise said:I guess you’re not interested in the whole enchilada? (March Mapness).
Strictly print vs digital:
1. High-res
2. Search strange places.
3. Fits in my purse. I love to read it, at random times.
I am interested in the whole enchilada--I'm just getting a couple of ingredients at a time. Fortunately, I already have some of the ingredients from prior purchases so I'm just focusing on these two right now. [:)]
Personally, I tend to prefer the digital format for some of the same reasons you gave. But I can see how these two resources could really lend themselves to sharing with extended family members, which is one of the reasons for my interest in the print format. However, even in regard to my personal preference for the digital format, the physical size of these resources in the print format is so large (especially Sacred Bridge), I've wondered how well the pages have been modified for presentation in the digital format.
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It is officially time to hit the "stop emailing replies to me button" — the first time I've ever had to do so on a Logos thread :-)
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Sorry my post was your last straw, Danny. [:$]Danny Zacharias said:It is officially time to hit the "stop emailing replies to me button" — the first time I've ever had to do so on a Logos thread :-)
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I did that years ago when I realized how much people participated on the forums!
DAL
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Faithlife ...do we have any clarity yet regarding the possibility of having the Carta resources in Logos?Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:Our team is meeting with their team next week, so we should have some clarity coming out of that meeting.
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Rick Ausdahl said:
Faithlife ...do we have any clarity yet regarding the possibility of having the Carta resources in Logos?Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:Our team is meeting with their team next week, so we should have some clarity coming out of that meeting.
That's a fair question at this point. Phil made his post on February 21st and the end of "next week" would be March 4th (10 days later) and it is now March 10th (one week after "next week").
At the same time I think we need to give Faithlife time for due process. We must be patient (and I choose to be hopeful! [:)])
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I can't imagine FL ever saying no-can-do. At least I can't remember one. Almost always silence of the lambs, or someone notices a prepub. Two choices.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
I can't imagine FL ever saying no-can-do. At least I can't remember one. Almost always silence of the lambs, or someone notices a prepub. Two choices.
Well, they said, “We can’t at this time,” when Moody left. Maybe they can drop by and say the same for the CARTA negotiations, because, honestly, I’m starting to feel bad and sorry for those who are waiting. This situation is getting kind of pathetic, I don’t care how optimistic or hopeful they want to get.
DAL
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DAL said:
This situation is getting kind of pathetic, I don’t care how optimistic or hopeful they want to get.
My guess is that you might label me as the "they" among the "optimistic/hopeful". I kind of like that label. [:)]
Meanwhile my optimist continues.
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Bruce Dunning said:DAL said:
This situation is getting kind of pathetic, I don’t care how optimistic or hopeful they want to get.
My guess is that you might label me as the "they" among the "optimistic/hopeful". I kind of like that label.
Meanwhile my optimist continues.
You know what I mean Bruce. The point is, if FL can’t pull off a deal with CARTA, then they should just say so. No shame in admitting they ”No-can-do.”
DAL
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DAL said:
You know what I mean Bruce.
Yes I do DAL. I was just joking with you.
DAL said:The point is, if FL can’t pull off a deal with CARTA, then they should just say so.
I totally expect them to respond here and have no doubt that they will.
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DAL said:
This situation is getting kind of pathetic, I don’t care how optimistic or hopeful they want to get.
Through the centuries, Christians have been optimistic and hopeful and patient.
Do you honestly believe it's unfortunate or sad or pathetic to have to wait for something, and to not give up hope?
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:DAL said:
This situation is getting kind of pathetic, I don’t care how optimistic or hopeful they want to get.
Through the centuries, Christians have been optimistic and hopeful and patient.
Do you honestly believe it's unfortunate or sad or pathetic to have to wait for something, and to not give up hope?
Yes, Because the hope is different! The Christian’s hope is not based on negotiations between FL and CARTA publishers. I can’t believe you even dared to compare the two! My Christian hope is objective and is not about having a particular resource in Logos, is about going to heaven; worldly hope (e.g. CARTA being published in Logos) is subjective and my “happiness” is dependent upon what those two decide.
So yes, I believe it’s unfortunate, sad AND pathetic that you are still waiting on this deal to get done after so many years. Whether it gets done or not, just know you were hoping on something that is uncertain and not on something that is certain — i.e., the Christian‘s hope of salvation.
DAL
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My hunch is we haven't heard yet for one of four reasons. In worst-case to best-case scenario order, that would be:
- Negotiations failed and Faithlife is understandably not eager to post the fact.
- Negotiations had to be postponed and the Faithlife staff have been too busy/preoccupied with other things to mention it.
- Negotiations didn't go well enough to clinch the deal, but well enough to plan on another meeting, so nothing definite to report.
- Negotiations were successful but Faithlife doesn't want to deal with the flood of expected questions until finished with March Madness.
I suppose it could also be that Carta has reasons for wanting to control when negotiation results are announced. I was just curious as I'm contemplating a Carta purchase and thought it would be nice to know if it would be worth waiting for availability in Logos. I didn't mean to stir the pot.
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DAL said:
Yes, Because the hope is different!
There is a difference between hoping for a certainty and hoping for an uncertainty? While the outcome might differ, I don't think hope itself is different.
Are we meant to have an optimistic nature for things that are more likely and a pessimistic nature for things that are less likely?
DAL said:I can’t believe you even dared to compare the two!
The things that shock one of us, DAL, may or may not shock the other. While we are all different/unique, we are still loved.
DAL said:So yes, I believe it’s unfortunate, sad AND pathetic that you are still waiting on this deal to get done after so many years.
I still want to wait on this deal to get done, and hope for the best.
I am mindful of our failures in encouraging one another and building one another up.
I wish we were already more like Christ, and could regard others as better than ourselves.
I am thankful that He sees us differently than we see ourselves or each other.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian and the more optimistic and hopeful ones:
#AllWeCanDoIsTry
#IhopeYouGetYourWish
#LetGod’sWillBeDone
👍😁👌
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Well, ok. Just in case:
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Our team is meeting with their team next week, so we should have some clarity coming out of that meeting.
What's new, Phil?
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There's nothing to report at this time. If that changes, we'll let everyone know. Thanks.
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There's nothing to report at this time. If that changes, we'll let everyone know. Thanks.
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All joking aside, sorry you guys didn’t get your wish yet again. I know how much it would’ve meant for you to have CARTA in Logos. But, if it serves as any consolation, keep praying 🙏 maybe next time you’ll get your wish. There’s always the A-Team company that has CARTA with better resolution if you decide to finally jump the gun on it. 👍😁👌
DAL
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There's nothing to report at this time. If that changes, we'll let everyone know. Thanks.
Does that mean "We couldn't work out a deal," or "We're still negotiating and don't have an answer yet."
It sounds like no deal was possible, but I don't want to assume that negotiations have concluded without any positive outcome.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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There's nothing to report at this time. If that changes, we'll let everyone know. Thanks.
This kind of answer only fuels the fire after the comment that Phil made. I don't expect to get notes from the meeting, but something more could surely be added after the long wait and the notification that a specific meeting would be taking place.
1. On a scale of 1-10, how likely is it that customers will see Carta in the next 6 months? year? two years?
2. Will there be further meetings anytime soon?
I already own the Carta products that I want in Accordance, but I would prefer to have them in Logos, all in one place, so I would likely purchase them again. It would just be nice to have some communication, which I would think is something that Faithlife is working to improve. This type of quick non-answer is not an improvement.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Remember the CW song 'One Piece at a Time' (forgot the title, building a car taking home daily a piece from the factory).
I think each of us could help Logos, but pasting in a short copy of Carta (avoiding copyright rules of course). Like the CW song, it might have issues concerning usability and look awful, but it'd at least run!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Agreed! After reading Bill's statement, my first thoughts were: "Really?" "That's it?" [:S]Joseph Turner said:There's nothing to report at this time. If that changes, we'll let everyone know. Thanks.
This kind of answer only fuels the fire after the comment that Phil made. I don't expect to get notes from the meeting, but something more could surely be added after the long wait and the notification that a specific meeting would be taking place.
I finally started picking up some Carta products from another company, but I feel the pain for those who have been waiting so long for either the products in Logos or better communication from Faithlife about it.
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Incredible! I am in shock over the latest response of Logos!
Very disappointed! This might be the push I needed as well, to go to A. [:(]
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Joseph Turner said:
1. On a scale of 1-10, how likely is it that customers will see Carta in the next 6 months? year? two years?
2. Will there be further meetings anytime soon?
Bill, Bob, and I are meeting next week and hope to arrive at a clearer sense of whether we'll be able to offer Carta products in Logos and what the timeline might look like.
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Thank you, Phil. I appreciate the clear update. And here is one more voice expressing hope that you, Bill, and Bob can bring Carta to Logos.
I've never been able to justify personally spending enough on "the other company" in dollars and in time learning a new program to try them out. So I surely hope "let them eat cake woops, I mean A" will not be the answer.
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Thank you, Phil. Looking forward to hearing the outcome.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Bill, Bob, and I are meeting next week and hope to arrive at a clearer sense of whether we'll be able to offer Carta products in Logos and what the timeline might look like.
Thank you, Phil! This is what I needed to hear! I'll try holding on! I just needed something more definite than "there is nothing to report at this time." This told me nothing.
So, thank you!!!!
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Thank you, Phil. Almost all posts indicate Logos customers who don't yet have Carta products really would prefer to have them in Logos than have to go to other Bible apps for them. And at least a few who do currently have some of the products in other apps have said they would be willing to re-purchase them for Logos. Most of us can wait patiently when we know what's going on. It's the lack of (and/or simply poor) communication that's harder to abide.Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:Joseph Turner said:1. On a scale of 1-10, how likely is it that customers will see Carta in the next 6 months? year? two years?
2. Will there be further meetings anytime soon?
Bill, Bob, and I are meeting next week and hope to arrive at a clearer sense of whether we'll be able to offer Carta products in Logos and what the timeline might look like.
I hope Faithlife is able to negotiate inclusion of these products in it's over-all great selection of resources.
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Rick Ausdahl said:
Logos customers who don't yet have Carta products really would prefer to have them in Logos than have to go to other Bible apps for them. And at least a few who do currently have some of the products in other apps have said they would be willing to re-purchase them for Logos. Most of us can wait patiently when we know what's going on. It's the lack of (and/or simply poor) communication that's harder to abide.
I hope Faithlife is able to negotiate inclusion of these products in it's over-all great selection of resources.
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Joseph Turner said:
There's nothing to report at this time. If that changes, we'll let everyone know. Thanks.
This kind of answer only fuels the fire after the comment that Phil made. I don't expect to get notes from the meeting, but something more could surely be added after the long wait and the notification that a specific meeting would be taking place.
1. On a scale of 1-10, how likely is it that customers will see Carta in the next 6 months? year? two years?
2. Will there be further meetings anytime soon?
I already own the Carta products that I want in Accordance, but I would prefer to have them in Logos, all in one place, so I would likely purchase them again. It would just be nice to have some communication, which I would think is something that Faithlife is working to improve. This type of quick non-answer is not an improvement.
Sorry for the cryptic response, Joseph. I'm just not accustomed to sharing details around publisher negotiations. I'm doing all I can to bring Carta materials to Logos. I've been doing this for a long time, and am quite used to the back and forth pace of deal points. It takes time to get things right. And, to protect both parties, I don't think it's helpful to provide the sort of transparency you and others might be used to here from Bob and Phil. For now, all I can say is things are moving forward, but I have absolutely no timeline.
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For now, all I can say is things are moving forward
Bill, I can appreciate the position that you are in....but if you had just let us know that things were "moving forward," that would have helped.
Thanks.
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all I can say is things are moving forward
Thank you, Bill. That’s definitely something to report.
Thank you in general for your work to acquire resources for Logos.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Fresh developments if any?
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Lee said:
Fresh developments if any?
As Bill from FL said, “I have absolutely no timeline.” So why not patiently wait, as you all have, some 6 months or even a year or two before the subject is touched again? If you really want it that bad, do like even some MVP’s have done...get CARTA from the A-company. Logos has no time line for the forseeable future, so there’s no point asking how things are going every month. It was only last month that the subject was touched several times. Anyway, sorry if it comes across the wrong way, but we need to start getting realistic about CARTA not making it to Logos anytime soon. 👍😁👌
DAL
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No timeline yet, so still stagnant. Now let me go and read a section of the Sacred Bridge in Accordance which is where I keep it lookin nice and sleek 😁
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DAL said:
No timeline yet, so still stagnant.
Stagnant? Let’s not assume that no progress has been made, simply because they are keeping quiet about it.
For all we know, they could have made a lot of progress with licensing.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:DAL said:
No timeline yet, so still stagnant.
Stagnant? Let’s not assume that no progress has been made, simply because they are keeping quiet about it.
For all we know, they could have made a lot of progress with licensing.
Ok, Petah. I’ll go ahead and report for FL, so they won’t be stagnant.
Press ... oops ... Forum Release:
”Just to keep everyone updated on Carta, Bellingham is a bit toasty this summer. “
That seems to do it. Just joking.
I’d bet the survey went south. But who knows, except for the weather.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Press ... oops ... Forum Release:
”Just to keep everyone updated on Carta, Bellingham is a bit toasty this summer. “
That seems to do it. Just joking.
Hmm, sounds like “summer” is code for L8, and “toasty” is code for hot news.
Could Bellingham be bundling Carta with L8?
Seriously, if they could pull that off, I think everyone would be motivated to upgrade.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
Could Bellingham be bundling Carta with L8?
Seriously, if they could pull that off, I think everyone would be motivated to upgrade.
That might do it! [:D]
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Okay, Logos, may we have an update on where Logos stands with Carta? We have been patiently waiting (I for one) for years, but I really need to get these resources in a digital format. Once again, I have just learned that A is having a sale on Carta products, due to the high Holy Days here in Israel. So, would you please let us know what the latest is?
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