Carta!
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DAL said:
There's nothing to report at this time. If that changes, we'll let everyone know. Thanks.
Notice the “If that changes, we’ll let everyone know...” So apparently nothing has changed 👍😁👌
DAL
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Charlene said:
may we have an update on where Logos stands with Carta?
Thanks for asking, Charlene
DAL said:Notice the “If that changes, we’ll let everyone know...” So apparently nothing has changed
Let's not assume that nothing has changed, please, DAL.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
Well, have they reported anything new? No, right? Hence, nothing has changed in my book until they actually report something. My assumption stands true on pure logic alone, add to that the evidence that nothing new has been reported 👍😁👌
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Meanwhile, on my “A” company mobile app, I’m trying to decide which Carta title to start reading 😜
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Call me a hopeless optimist but I still have positive expectations.
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Bruce Dunning said:
Call me a hopeless optimist but I still have positive expectations.
Nobody is saying to lose hope, but until FL updates everyone, the answer remains the same — No Carta products at this time.
DAL
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The fact that there are no Carta products at this time is obvious from the catalog.
Folks like me are asking FL about progress and expecting FL to reply. It could be a matter of concern, curiosity or planning. Even if FL does not reply, your insights and prolonging the thread are not helpful.
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Lee said:
The fact that there are no Carta products at this time is obvious from the catalog.
Folks like me are asking FL about progress and expecting FL to reply. It could be a matter of concern, curiosity or planning. Even if FL does not reply, your insights and prolonging the thread are not helpful.
Actually, you and those who are impatience are the ones prolonging this thread. What part of FL’s response don’t you get? They clearly said: “There’s nothing to report at this time. IF THAT CHANGES WE’LL LET EVERYONE KNOW. THANKS.”
Capital Letters are for emphasis, so don’t assume someone is yelling.
So if you can’t wait and allow FL to communicate the changes when and if they become available, then someone‘s got a problem...and guess what? Is not me.
So allow FL to communicate changes when they have them and stop acting like a kid when he’s constantly asking, “Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
You get the point and you too can agree that it is annoying. So don’t be that kid 😜 If you’re so desperate for Carta products do like many of us have done: Get it from Accordance. Trust us, you won’t regret it as the quality is far superior.
I bet if Carta makes it to Logos someday, many of you we’ll be back here complaining about the quality of the pictures. So in the end, none of you will be happy anyway.
Blessings! And I hope you get your wish 👍😁👌
DAL
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The questions have come from interested users who for different reasons are asking FL about it. They are just entitled to that.
You are one individual (not FL employee) who is spamming this thread, putting down people and plugging the competition.
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Lee said:
The questions have come from interested users who for different reasons are asking FL about it. They are just entitled to that.
You are one individual (not FL employee) who is spamming this thread, putting down people and plugging the competition.
The problem is that you haven’t come to grips with the fact that the question has already been answered. Go back and read. Don’t do this to yourself! 👍😁👌 When and if they ever have something to communicate, they’ll be the first ones to let you know without you even asking. Accept this and you’ll be able to be at peace with yourself.
Peace ✌️
DAL
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In Christ,
Ken
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From the Forum Guidelines:
"Please treat each other with the love, courtesy, respect, and kindness that you would if you were sitting in your living room together."
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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I have no pony n this race really. FL historically has done less than a stellar job with graphic resources and I have no desire to duplicate this resource in Logos. But while I understand DAL‘s position that we should be patient I am one who believes the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It truly does no good other than to keep pressure on FL to continue talks until one side or the other comes up with a definitive answer although as in the case of Moody a disappointing answer may one day change. This has dragged on so long as to make me feel it’s not likely to ever happen but I will be very glad to be proved wrong.
-Dan
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Still waiting...
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DAL, would you mind not trolling, please? It's not exactly courteous, kind, or respectful. Thank you!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
DAL, would you mind not trolling, please? It's not exactly courteous, kind, or respectful. Thank you!
It's just hilarious to see how much you guys love to torture yourselves waiting for an answer that has already been given; or else, why do you think nobody from FL has even bothered to respond?
I strongly believe they already told you what their plans were. They announced a meeting with Carta, the meeting pretty much went south, so they had nothing to report. Hence, the "if anything changes, we'll let everyone know."
If I've become your enemy by telling you the truth (a truth you're not willing to accept), then I don't see how that is not courteous, kind, or respectful.
Remember, you guys are the ones putting up a show in here. I'm just reminding you what the "Officials" stated not that long ago. You would think one of you guys would be smart enough to at least email the FL employee that told you there was nothing new to report and find out from him directly and then ask him if he could post again (even if it's the same answer -- which I'm 1000% sure it is you just won't believe me) and ease everybody's mind on the issue. Instead, most of you have chosen to be the squeaky wheel that already got the grease a few months ago, but choose to squeak over and over as if that's going to make Carta come to an agreement with Logos. Have you ever wondered that maybe Carta doesn't want Logos to carry their products? Because as it is right now, Accordance is the exclusive carrier of Carta digital products as far as Bible Software goes. So if the meeting went south, for whatever reasons, it doesn't matter how many times you enquire, you will either not get a response (because you already got it) or you will be given the same response in a more specific way: "No Carta products for the foreseeable long future - so please, don't ask again).
Anyway, keep it real, nothing to report at this time -- believe me, I'm telling you for a good reason. Maybe I know something you don't know -- ever wondered that?
Thanks!
DAL
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Not hunting it down but I believe it was confirmed that Carta is not under exclusive contract to Acc, that said Carta may not want any other distributor. I know Concordia years back made all sort of demands when trying to negotiate with Accordance. Including saying they were happy with Logos. Now I do not know anything more there other than what was shared on the forums there by both sides (including the final polite unable to come to a deal and then never seen the Concordia exec again), but was given the impression that being happy with Logos meant they wanted much to come to a second platform. Carta may feel similar. As for things being done and settled I know that I have heard about Accordance being in talks for very long periods to get a deal done so things may not be dead. Theses deals which we would assume should be a meeting yea or nay, are not that simple. For whatever reason these negotiations seem to often move at a glacial pace. And Dal you may not be meaning to offend or not but the Pepe face has come to represent much of the worst of a certain groups on the net. I will not assume that you necessarily hold onto any of those views which do seem to include some very unchristian ideas, but I know I was taken a back a bit to see him knowing some of the negative things it had been associated with.
Sometimes you just have to let people tilt at windmills and just remember they may well march to drum beat you or I do not hear.
-Dan
PS: please do not let my Don Quixote reference infer anything negative about your quest to get Carta published in Logos just the way some may perceive it.
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Dan, I based my assumption based on a blog post by Accordance stating “Resources you’ll only find in Accordance...” and Carta was mentioned among others. Concerning the meme or pepe (I call it smiley face) I do not know or have searched of any instance in the internet where it’s used in a negative sense. To me it’s just a bigger smiley face that reminds me of the Mask movie played by Jim Carry a long time ago. When a friend sent it it stuck, same as this other one —-> 👍😁👌
“Don” worry about Quijote‘s reference Nothing negative came to mind 👍😁👌
Good night!
DAL
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Just an observation: Funny how this thread started in November 2010 and FL’s first response came virtually 5 years later in October 2015. Then a less optimistic response on 2017 and the other less optimistic responses earlier this year in March 2018.
5 years of silence and then essentially nothing if you really think about it.
No wonder all the desperation!
Let me see what I can do, but no promises, ok.
I’ll post next week 👍😁👌 if they respond to my email. I may even call to see if I can get through, but don’t hold your breath!
DAL
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DAL said:
Concerning the meme or pepe (I call it smiley face) I do not know or have searched of any instance in the internet where it’s used in a negative sense. To me it’s just a bigger smiley face
It may just be a "smiley face" to you, but its general usage isn't very nice, to say the least. I believe you're a better person than what the meme represents.
As for Carta, I don't want to assume that FL's silence means that Carta isn't coming to Logos.
Some might see no news as bad, others might see no news as good. People simply have different ways of looking at things like that.
Either way, whether or not Carta comes to Logos, these temporary things don't compare to the marvelous light of His glory! Hallelujah!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Well, the general problem everywhere is that a happy customer will stop the progress.
Therefore we have to keep this thread alive...
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Isn't it annoying when we are trying to be servants, and they treat us like...well, like servants.
I think it was Corrie ten Boom who was asked, "How do you know if you have a servant's heart?" Her answer was that you will know when someone treats you like a servant.
How would you respond if you were in a restaurant, and asked a waiter a question, and the waiter's response was a snarky, "I have already answered that"?
If you don't want to answer questions, yes, sometimes the same question over and over, you do not need to be harming Logos by doing a snarky job of it.
Just my opinion.
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Michael Childs said:
Isn't it annoying when we are trying to be servants, and they treat us like...well, like servants.
I think it was Corrie ten Boom who was asked, "How do you know if you have a servant's heart?" Her answer was that you will know when someone treats you like a servant.
How would you respond if you were in a restaurant, and asked a waiter a question, and the waiter's response was a snarky, "I have already answered that"?
If you don't want to answer questions, yes, sometimes the same question over and over, you do not need to be harming Logos by doing a snarky job of it.
Just my opinion.
You’re kind of late with your opinion Michael, but it’s ok. 👌 I’ll be posting soon with a fresh response or I might even be able to get a FL employe to do that 👍😁👌
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PetahChristian said:
Either way, whether or not Carta comes to Logos, these temporary things don't compare to the marvelous light of His glory! Hallelujah!
Great response! Stay tuned 👍😁👌
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PetahChristian said:
It may just be a "smiley face" to you, but its general usage isn't very nice, to say the least. I believe you're a better person than what the meme represents.
My reaction to that image is the same as yours Petah. Not positive at all. Every time I see it pop up in this thread I cringe.
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Dave Palmer said:
My reaction to that image is the same as yours Petah. Not positive at all. Every time I see it pop up in this thread I cringe.
I had to laugh when I saw it, because it struck me as classic DAL. And yeah, it is the universal internet meme for snark. And he tried to pass it off as a smiley! lol
*ahem* (said the guy with an avatar of a ram sticking out its tongue) [:|]
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Dave Palmer said:PetahChristian said:
It may just be a "smiley face" to you, but its general usage isn't very nice, to say the least. I believe you're a better person than what the meme represents.
My reaction to that image is the same as yours Petah. Not positive at all. Every time I see it pop up in this thread I cringe.
That just shows that you know too much and I don’t. Besides any smiley face can mean anything you want it to mean because as far as that goes, the meanings are subjective. To me is just a smiley face that reminds me of the movie the mask, to you it may mean some pervert guy, so maybe you need to stop watching pervert’s stuff online.
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Ps. I called Bill and left a message and the week is almost over, and no news yet. He must be very busy with Carta meetings or perhaps his sweating bullets because he doesn’t know how to tell you guys that Carta doesn’t wanna have anything to do with Logos. He can post when he can, I was just trying to do you guys a favor in trying to get an update from him directly.
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Has anyone tried Carta's BibleWhere?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3XpQ5chblei_Hj03RW4Lyw/videos
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DAL said:
Ps. I called Bill and left a message and the week is almost over, and no news yet.
Bill is out of the office until October 5th.
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DAL said:
Ps. I called Bill and left a message and the week is almost over, and no news yet.
Bill is out of the office until October 5th.
Thank you for the heads up Bradley. 👍😁👌
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Randy W. Sims said:
Has anyone tried Carta's BibleWhere?
I have not tried it but it looks amazing. It only makes me even more want to have Carta in Logos!
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DAL said:
so maybe you need to stop watching pervert’s stuff online.
DAL that comment was out of line. I never have and never will personally attack you or anyone else on this board. All I said was that "smiley face" was not positive in my opinion.
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Dave Palmer said:DAL said:
so maybe you need to stop watching pervert’s stuff online.
DAL that comment was out of line. I never have and never will personally attack you or anyone else on this board. All I said was that "smiley face" was not positive in my opinion.
Then I truly apologize for that. But I don’t think is fair for anybody to assume I know something just because you know it. The meaning of things is subjective even for religious things. Too many people see the star of David, a Jewish object, as something bad, but I cannot say is bad just because other people think it’s bad, the same applies to my funny smiley face. You cringe, I smile. I don’t surf the net for negative things unless I have to, And even then I have not found anything negative on this smiley face. I tried to search after people started saying it was bad, but found nothing bad. Maybe you can provide a link So I can be up-to-date with the different meanings of different smi faces. 👍😁👌
DAL
Ps. Family Guy is bad but there was a guy here before that had the Family Guy picture on his profile.
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Dan Francis said:
I have no pony in this race really. FL historically has done less than a stellar job with graphic resources ...
I'd bet you nailed it. And my use of A-Company is almost wholely higher-res media. Especially the archaeology pics. Carta'd be crazy to degrade their media. Guessing.
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Bruce Dunning said:Randy W. Sims said:
Has anyone tried Carta's BibleWhere?
I have not tried it but it looks amazing. It only makes me even more want to have Carta in Logos!
$13 a month online seems a bit hefty. Granted, maybe I own 18 months of Carta-related.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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If this is the case, maybe there's a connection betwee the prophesied Logos 8 and the introduction of Carta? Increased graphical quality and capabilities dovetailing with Cartas materials?
I have no knowledge of this, of course, just speculating."The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Bill is out of the office until October 5th.
Perhaps Bill is at ... Carta Jerusalem? [;)]
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
Bill is out of the office until October 5th.
Perhaps Bill is at ... Carta Jerusalem?
You never know! Yum Kippur was yesterday, so maybe he went to carta Jerusalem 👍😁👌
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I haven't asked about Carta in a while, because $$$ (L8 purchase + planned L8 library expansion purchase).
Still, I'm hoping we'll hear something favorable about Carta, and eventually be able to purchase it in Logos... this year? [:D]
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
I haven't asked about Carta in a while, because $$$ (L8 purchase + planned L8 library expansion purchase).
Still, I'm hoping we'll hear something favorable about Carta, and eventually be able to purchase it in Logos... this year?
I’ll go start the fire 🔥 you get some rope and a nice stake. This Bill guy must be very busy. He never got back to me, not even out of curtesy; So he’s the first one getting burnt on a stake if no updates are given. At least a “No CARTA in 2019 either, so check back next year.” That’ll keep people off his back for at least another year (if he’s smart, he’ll take the hint) 👍😁👌
DAL
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I believe Bill left the company (in October, I think).
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PetahChristian said:
I believe Bill left the company (in October, I think).
According to Bradley he was going to be out of his office until October 5th. Unless he left later on, then I wouldn’t know. If he left, he probably knew the wrath was coming 😂😜🤪
DAL
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PetahChristian said:
I believe Bill left the company (in October, I think).
I can confirm that, after 25 years of faithful service, Bill left Logos at the end of October to take on an exciting new ministry opportunity in another organization.
I've been in touch with the person who I understand has taken over his role to ask them about the current status of things. I continue to remain hopeful that some sort of deal can be reached that would benefit both Faithlife and Carta.
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DAL said:
If he left, he probably knew the wrath was coming
His leaving had nothing to do with Carta.
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Bruce Dunning said:DAL said:
If he left, he probably knew the wrath was coming
His leaving had nothing to do with Carta.
We were joking, Bruce 🙃
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The Carta Bible Atlas is a newer edition of the Macmillan product. I have the revised Macmillan Bible Atlas from 1977 and the 5th ed. of the Carta Bible Atlas still contains those features you liked—still in the two color style for the maps.
Shalom,
Joseph
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Ignore previous post—I did not know I was only on the first page of the thread.
Is there a way to show or jump to unread posts in the forums?
Thanks,
Joseph
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