Greek Search Challange
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Hey, I like the idea of a Logos Challenge! I assume you know the answer and are getting people to think about how they'd do it. Unfortunately I don't know how to use Syntax search well enough, but I know that would be the place to get the answer. What's the prize? An unlock credit we could use towards some Greek resources (or whatever else we wanted)? [:)]
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ha.. good idea.. but alas this is not official business. A friend asked me how to do this and I have some ideas, but I was hoping some of our more skilled users could help me craft a good search.
I was thinking proximity searching using Boolean operators, but syntax searching might be better.
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Aha! I thought I'd seen a recent thread about something similar to this recently, and I had. I just found it. In fact, it was this exact same question. So here's your (partial) answer from someone more skilled than I am in syntax searching: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/25891/191185.aspx. It seems as though he wasn't able to fully specify antecedence though.
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Rosie Perera said:
It seems as though he wasn't able to fully specify antecedence though.
Graham's question is a hard one to answer as many antecedents will be in a different clause eg. you need something like this for Jn 15:26
Dave
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Joe Miller said:
How can one craft a search for every passage Greek, where the pronoun disagrees in gender with its antecedent?
A crude Morph Search would be:-
(@N??F BEFORE 9 words @R????[^F]) OR (@N??M BEFORE 9 words @R????[^M]) OR (@N??N BEFORE 9 words @R????[^N])
ie. Feminine before NOT Fem OR Masculine before NOT Masc OR Neuter before NOT Neuter.
But it is better than a crude Syntax Search!
Dave
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Hi Dave
If I understand this correctly this still has the problem of not knowing whether the pronoun is actually supposed to relate to that noun.
Is that correct?
Interestingly in the example you referenced - John 15:26 - there is "that one" as a pronoun (masculine) relating back to the "Spirit of truth" with Spirit being neuter and truth being feminine.
It shows some of the complexity of trying to do this - which may well be why you chose the example you did!
Graham
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Graham Criddle said:
If I understand this correctly this still has the problem of not knowing whether the pronoun is actually supposed to relate to that noun.
Yes, you have to inspect the results. The "Related words" tagging does not adequately cover this grammatical relationship.
Graham Criddle said:It shows some of the complexity of trying to do this - which may well be why you chose the example you did!
It was the example you brought out. A complete solution requires 3 syntax constructions, roughly as below:
I'm not sure if "Related words" improves the accuracy of Clause 3, but it seems to be coded for words within the same clause.
Dave
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Do you think that using the Lexham Syntactic Greek NT would help? In other words, given the way it handles syntax, would searching in this database help provide better answers?Dave Hooton said:It was the example you brought out. A complete solution requires 3 syntax constructions, roughly as below:
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The Syntax example I gave uses the Lexham Syntactic Greek NT! What were you proposing?
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
It was the example you brought out. A complete solution requires 3 syntax constructions, roughly as below:
Sorry Dave,
I had forgotten that!
Thanks for the insight
Graham
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