Hebrew Pronunciation?
It has been a long time. I thought I read a few months back that some problems had been figured out when it came to the Hebrew pronunciation add-in. Is there any kind of update to this product?
Will there be a product like the Audio Greek New Testament ......except for Hebrew Old Testament?
William
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With Barnes going over 80% on community pricing; I suspect we will see a projected delivery date on the Hebrew Pronunciation add-in soon; and then the end times.[;)]
To answer your question, I have not seen or heard anything since the last update your referred to.
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I think this is what you might be looking for.
http://www.logos.com/product/5960/hebrew-audio-pronunciations
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It would be better if they just didn't bother, since the chances that it will be remotely accurate are remote. I have yet to find a Hebrew grammar that doesn't have numerous mistakes in both consonant and vowel vocalization...not to mention that I don't think I've found two grammars that even agree with each other. And apparently no one has the guts to call them on this disaster. It doesn't help that many insist on using Modern Hebrew as their starting point, since Modern Hebrew is schizophrenic...Ashkenzi, Sephardic, Babylonian, et al., all having schemes that compete with each other for which can introduce the most errors in spelling and pronunciation. Add to this train wreck the insistance people have for inventing a new transliteration scheme for English every time the sun comes up and the result is nothing short of a catastrophe.
Of course, the same thing happened in Greek, though to a far lesser extent. The loooong established and wholly unwarranted Anglicization that turned the upsilon ("u") into a "y" (thus turning psuchei into psyche, for instance) is nothing short of a senseless hate crime.
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David Paul said:
It would be better if they just didn't bother, since the chances that it will be remotely accurate are remote. I have yet to find a Hebrew grammar that doesn't have numerous mistakes in both consonant and vowel vocalization...not to mention that I don't think I've found two grammars that even agree with each other. And apparently no one has the guts to call them on this disaster. It doesn't help that many insist on using Modern Hebrew as their starting point, since Modern Hebrew is schizophrenic...Ashkenzi, Sephardic, Babylonian, et al., all having schemes that compete with each other for which can introduce the most errors in spelling and pronunciation. Add to this train wreck the insistance people have for inventing a new transliteration scheme for English every time the sun comes up and the result is nothing short of a catastrophe.
Why does historical accuracy matter? Aren't most people learning to pronounce so they can communicate in modern classroom and academic situations? Seems that as long as the two people discussing a word understand which word they mean, it doesn't matter that an ancient Hebrew wouldn't. Or am I missing something else? We have the same issues with any ancient language.
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It matters because the refusal to be accurate introduces numerous contradictions and flagrant absurdities. Like I said, I haven't found two Hebrew grammars that agree with each other, and this is in great part because they each insist on their own way...only to introduce further inaccuracies. I have been in conversations with people and heard four different people pronouncing the same word four different ways...all of them wrong. It's a shameful way to treat the language of YHWH.
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I guess David is not anxiously awaiting the release of this tool as many of us are (and our father's before us[:D])
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Also, I have John Pennington's Hebrew vocabulary CD's, in which he pronounces the most common Hebrew words in frequency order, and I can't understand about a third of the words he speaks because he has such a goofy scheme.
My name, David, for instance. It should be pronounced Dawidh--but he pronounces it Dawith. But someone using a Modern pronunciation would pronounce it Daveed, as if Hebrew were French. There are literally dozens of such mistakes that English grammars have perpetuated for so long that PhD's now write books filled with such errors. That's the problem...a problem that a NEW resource is just going to exacerbate.
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David Paul said:
heard four different people pronouncing the same word four different ways...all of them wrong.
One of the complexities is that different geographical areas and different times have different pronunciations. In addition, we tend to hear phonemes in terms of our native language ... hearing an aspirated d as if it were a t, for example ... or not hearing the difference between the 3 t's of Kannada. This means not only is there no single "right" pronunciation, but even if there was a standardized, liturgical pronunciation, whether it sounded "right" would depend upon the dialect of your native language you speak.
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Sounds like the argument of a "languages are LIVING THINGS" linguist, to me. All fine and dandy, execpt that it ends up producing silliness like the Ashkenazi "s" spelling and pronunciation for the Hebrew letter "t" (taw, which is spelled in just as silly a fashion in Modern Hebrew as tav). There is no "v" sound in Hebrew, nor an "f" sound, nor an English "th"...hard or soft. I could go on and on and on. Saying it's a matter of preference makes communication needlessly difficult, and in some instances befuddles it altogether.
And "oh, btw"...if I remember many months back, MJ, you yourself pointed out that Hebrew is GOD's language...not man's--an important and accurate point to keep in mind. These things are not just "live and let live" issues. Accuracy with the language, from which the Creator's WORDS are created, is no small potatoes concern...especially since He has revealed Himself as the WORD. Suggesting such things "don't matter" is creeping up on being blaphemous, imo.
I'm not suggesting that we can know with perfect certainty exactly how every consonant and vowel pointing should be pronounced, but I do know with perfect certainty that the absurd profusion of contradictions and flagrant mistakes that is currently extant can be rectified...if only people stop accepting as acceptable every half-baked scheme that comes down the pike (used purposefully in place of the later-day phonetic and semantic malapropism "coming down the pipe".)
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David Paul said:
And "oh, btw"...if I remember many months back, MJ, you yourself pointed out that Hebrew is GOD's language...not man's-
I brought it up as a view of some Jewish theologians not as a personal opinion. I, yes, I have extensive training in philology. If you've read Beowulf or Canterbury Tales, language as constantly change should be reasonably well proven.
David Paul said:These things are not just "live and let live" issues
But even so they require careful and precise consideration.
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