When I clicked on the Tyndale set on the product guide, it said this product is no longer sold?
http://www.logos.com/commentaries/multivolume
I wonder why?
I do, too. I know where you can get it outside of Logos, but since this is a set I often recommend, I am surprised Logos doesn't list it any more. The Essential IVP Reference Collection 3.0 is also missing, another often-recommended collection by the same publisher. Maybe both are being updated? I know there were quite a few issues with the Tyndale set when it first came out.
Strange indeed, as I got quotes for the Tyndale Commentary series and the Essential IVP Reference Collection on the black Friday-Cyber Monday sale.
Maybe Logos is in the process of updating the database for it's sale of these items (and others?)
I wonder why? I do, too. I know where you can get it outside of Logos, but since this is a set I often recommend, I am surprised Logos doesn't list it any more. The Essential IVP Reference Collection 3.0 is also missing, another often-recommended collection by the same publisher. Maybe both are being updated? I know there were quite a few issues with the Tyndale set when it first came out.
Makes me glad I purchased this from the mac only app I use, never had any problems and just checked and it's still for sale from them. Logos has had issues in the past, losing popular items that they once sold (Daily study Bible series, Interpretation (both from JKP), and others like the Jerome Commentary. I know that these things happen for many reasons, but I am unaware of another company that seems to lose rights like Logos (but they do have a massive amount of resources so that may explain why they have lost the rights to a few popular resources).
-dan
We are making a downloadable version available of both The Essential IVP Reference Collection and the Tyndale Commentaries. These will both be available on Logos.com shortly.
Dan,
I don't think this has to do with losing rights at all. While the IV Press site is currently down and I can't check it, I did call IV Press and the product is still available. Perhaps with the launch of the new web site some resources got overlooked?
EDIT: Kent responded while I was calling IV Press. Now we know.
(Daily study Bible series,
Interpretation (both from JKP)
(Daily study Bible series, http://www.logos.com/product/6752/the-new-daily-study-bible-new-testament
But that is not the original product. It is Barclay revised, but not by him.
Oops. The so called 'original' that was carried by Logos was not the original either, see below[;)][:P]. I do take your point though[8-|].
Ted
Edit
"There is one debt which I would be sadly lacking in courtesy if I did not acknowledge. The work of revision and correction has been done entirely by the Rev. James Martin, M.A., B.D., minister of High Carntyne Church, Glasgow. Had it not been for him this task would never have been undertaken, and it is impossible for me to thank him enough for the selfless toil he has put into the revision of these books.It is my prayer that God may continue to use The Daily Study Bible to enable men better to understand His word."Glasgow WILLIAM BARCLAYThe Acts of the Apostles. 2000 (W. Barclay, lecturer in the University of Glasgow, Ed.). The Daily study Bible series, Rev. ed. Philadelphia: The Westminster Press.
The original "Barclay's Daily Study Bible" was pulled from publication by the copyright holder and the only way to have that content is to obtain an old license from someone who is willing to sell it. The original content license carries on "grandfathered" to the new licensee ~ *edit* "original DSB being the previously available Logos version~
I have seen Logos' response above about providing downloadable files for this resource. I would like to offer this thought for consideration but I am not really soliciting comments that may dishonor the purpose of the Logos forums: We are not privy to the contractual details between Logos and third party publishers. But just suppose a publisher reserves the right to set a minimum price that Logos may offer their product for and then undercuts that price on their own site or markets the title directly to the public. We would hear complaints on the forums about Logos' pricing. Logos would have to choose among three options.
None of these options are good for Logos. I doubt a price-fixing agreement is an option since it is considered racketeering in some jurisdictions.
Glad to hear it, and yes some ot those discontinued items may be coming back to logos. In the daily study bible series, a newer edition of the NT series only. But the fact is Logos did lose the right to sell them, and why logos lost them is a mystery I have never learned. (See above)_ ALSO since most of the Interpretation series was previously tagged in libronix format why should a prepub be needed to add in the final book. I have preOrdered the NDSB NT because I do acknowledge it is a significantly new work.
-Dan
For those interested I am including an amazon review here
By Mr. Michael C. Morrow (Wichita, KS USA)
I purchased the Tyndale Commentary set during the Black Friday sale. I received the CD but have been unable to install it. Should I wait for the downloadable product?
Thanks.
Glad to hear it, and yes some ot those discontinued items may be coming back to logos. In the daily study bible series, a newer edition of the NT series only. But the fact is Logos did lose the right to sell them, and why logos lost them is a mystery I have never learned. (See above)
fwiw: I believe all publication of the Daily Study Bible ceased no matter which Bible software program it was available in. It was not an exclusive Logos product. So it was not a Logos/rights owner issue. The copyright holder pulled it from ALL software offerings with no reason given. There are still unlicensed copies being offered.
The original "Barclay's Daily Study Bible" was pulled from publication by the copyright holder and the only way to have that content is to obtain an old license from someone who is willing to sell it. The original content license carries on "grandfathered" to the new licensee ~ *edit* "original DSB being the previously available Logos version~ I have seen Logos' response above about providing downloadable files for this resource. I would like to offer this thought for consideration but I am not really soliciting comments that may dishonor the purpose of the Logos forums: We are not privy to the contractual details between Logos and third party publishers. But just suppose a publisher reserves the right to set a minimum price that Logos may offer their product for and then undercuts that price on their own site or markets the title directly to the public. We would hear complaints on the forums about Logos' pricing. Logos would have to choose among three options. Cease offering the product at all, without comment as to why. Refer customers off site to procure the title, thus becoming an advertising arm for the publisher Continue offering at the lowest allowable price, without comment, hoping the buyer will not feel cheated. None of these options are good for Logos. I doubt a price-fixing agreement is an option since it is considered racketeering in some jurisdictions.
I agree there seems to be a no win situation in someways, but I somehow doubt Logos would want to pull a product because Discount Christian Book Online stores decide they are willing to give 28% off vs. Logos 20% off (I got the amount comparing a discount retailer to Logos cost for the Ancient Christian commentary). Now if IVP had given Logos exclusive rights, would we see it higher, would we not call it a monopoly???? I can't say now If Logos ever takes it off sales that is their right, but then they can't complain no one is buying it from them. Pricing being set by the publisher seems to hold little weight when differing Bible software companies offer the exact same product for 2 very different prices. Dose company "A" say we will take less profit and sell more copies or does Logos make contracts of poorer quality? I have no idea of any of Logos' practices other than reading on here Logos rejected a 50% profit share as being not high enough for them (now in Logos defence I have no idea what industry standards are nor in the exact details that made the equal share not acceptable).
Royce, since they are on CD you probably received the Libronix (older version of Logos) format. To see the install options, check the wiki here: http://wiki.logos.com/Installing_Libronix_Books
The Essential IVP Reference Collection Version is now available for download.
Oops. The so called 'original' that was carried by Logos was not the original either
All my originals do have Revised in their titles. However, this was a revision approved, and applauded, by Dr Barclay himself. The Revised Revised edition currently offered was revised after his death. I personally prefer the edition I have.
The Acts of the Apostles. 2000 (W. Barclay, lecturer in the University of Glasgow, Ed.). The Daily study Bible series, Rev. ed. Philadelphia: The Westminster Press.
Interesting, my copy carries a 1976 pub date.
I purchased the Tyndale Commentary set during the Black Friday sale. I received the CD but have been unable to install it. Should I wait for the downloadable product? Thanks.
The simple solution is "no". Give customer service a call and they can take the serial number over the phone and talk you through the steps to move it to L4 - or install it along with L3 and L4 will find it. I called customer service and got the job done.
The copyright holder pulled it from ALL software offerings with no reason given. There are still unlicensed copies being offered.
Those of us who already owned the series prior to this action by the copyright holder still have a valid Logos license for the 1975 edition.
Same as mine but I am not sure why is it when i copy and paste it reads - 2000
Revised EditionCopyright © 1976 William BarclayFirst published by The Saint Andrew PressEdinburgh, ScotlandFirst Edition, September, 1955Second Edition, November, 1956Published by Westminster John Knox PressLouisville, Kentucky.The Gospel of John : Volume 2. 2000 (W. Barclay, lecturer in the University of Glasgow, Ed.). The Daily study Bible series, Rev. ed. Philadelphia: The Westminster Press.
I agree there seems to be a no win situation in someways, but I somehow doubt Logos would want to pull a product because Discount Christian Book Online stores decide they are willing to give 28% off vs. Logos 20% off
I doubt it too, and I am happy about that. Here is a real life example: Hermeneia Commentary is a "third party" product published by Fortress Press. Last Spring CBD cleared out their stock of Libronix based Windows CDs for $100 each. Now if you just so happened to be one of the extremely fortunate who snapped up a dozen of these, you are still grinning about it. But there is no way Logos, Fortress Press or your local Bible bookstore should be expected to match a fire-sale loss like this. CBD most likely lost a few thousand dollars on this pricing and spread the loss over the profits from other merchandise.
Although I missed out on the $100 super clearance, I did run across another super sale on Hermeneia and took advantage of it. If only I had waited! Logos came out with the new combo package of Hermeneia and Continental Commentaries (63 vols.) for LESS than I gave for my super sale price. My registration date was so close to the new pricing model release date that I am sure Logos would have honored my loyalty if I had purchased from Logos rather than a third party. I do want you to know Logos sales has twice offered me the Continental Commentary for significant savings to bring me up to par with the new collection. They don't owe me anything yet they treat me more than fair every time I put myself in this type of situation.
Sometimes what appears to be the cheapest price is not always the wisest buy.
addendum: I just checked CBD for Hermeneia Commentary and found this old one (sans Continental Commentary) for Mac for, well just look for yourself:
If parity in pricing is what everyone wants, Logos could match CBD [6]...................
The copyright holder pulled it from ALL software offerings with no reason given. There are still unlicensed copies being offered. Those of us who already owned the series prior to this action by the copyright holder still have a valid Logos license for the 1975 edition.
That is most true but it is very disappointing that we are not able use them on an ipad/iphone... Some companies allow you to sync the items on your computer to their iOS app, but Logos has you downloading items from their server so if Logos no longer sell it you cannot use it on your iphone/pad.
ps: New version today of the program so while I don't think we have this feature, who knows what the future will hold.
They don't owe me anything yet they treat me more than fair every time I put myself in this type of situation. Sometimes what appears to be the cheapest price is not always the wisest buy.
They don't owe me anything yet they treat me more than fair every time I put myself in this type of situation.
I agree which is why I do try to buy from Logos even if it's a little bit more. Obviously it;s the difference is too much I have to seriously think about going with someone else.
PS: No idea that company was selling Hermenia for so much, so strange considering it sold on the manufactures website for less than half that price.
but Logos has you downloading items from their server so if Logos no longer sell it you cannot use it on your iphone/pad.
I don't think that is the way it works. Logos will carry the files (in L4 compatibility form) indefinitely, so long as there is legal right to do so. I have not checked but I would assume Logos' Libronix ftp server still carries these files. You just can not get them activated in your library without the original license.
This does not necessarily make them available on iPad or other venues. Not all products can be made available on mobile devices due to publisher's requests. I don't believe anyone had the foresight when the original DSB licensing rights were negotiated. I suspect you will NEVER see the first edition available on mobile devices.
PS: No idea that company was selling Hermeneia for so much, so strange considering it sold on the manufactures website for less than half that price.
You are only acquainted with the publisher's more recent pricing [;)] The publisher's original retail price was $1200. I have been watching it that long. That is why I cannot understand why everyone isn't making a run on the current deal offered. You can get both commentary sets for 1/3 of last year's selling prices. But like the "original" Barclay's DSB, we can not always count on future availability for purchase. (I would like to have both the "original" and forth-coming Pre-Pub editions of the DSB.)
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