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  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    CoramDeo said:

    I would encourage Roman catholic readers to study the works of Loraine Beottner...

    http://www.logos.com/product/4726/loraine-boettner-collection

    Do you want me to fill your Reformed thread with anti-Reformed book suggestions? No, you don't; you made that pretty clear in your first post. So whatever happened to the Golden Rule? 

    When you asked for Reformed resources, MJ, in spite of the fact that she presumably doesn't agree very much with them, nevertheless helpfully provided a list of such writers, but when Catholics ask for Catholic resources, you provide them with a link to an anti-Catholic resource (and one full of lies at that). She is all about promoting peace and unity; you are all about sowing discord. I believe the last part of Galatians 5 has a few things to say about people like the two of you.

    Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2

  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    Folks,

    Please understand.  I do not hate catholic people...most of my family are Roman catholic.  And I pity and pray for them.  But I am against Roman catholic doctrine, because it is against the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Therefore, it is not "love" to pretend it doesn't exist, or play nicey-nice with everyone so not to hurt feelings.  If you love people you will tell them the truth, and the truth is that the roman catholic gospel is a gospel of works, and therefore no gospel at all.  Those that attempt to work their way to heaven will perish.

    Now, you can pretend that this is not the place for these discussions and put your heads in the sand.  But, wherever there is darkness, true Christians must be salt and light.

    I trust that at some point I will be asked to leave these forums, but I don't mind being outside the camp with Christ.

     

    Peter Cellini

  • Michael Gaskin
    Michael Gaskin Member Posts: 93 ✭✭

    CoramDeo said:

    I would encourage Roman catholic readers to study the works of Loraine Beottner...

    Oh goodness no... If you want to find out what exactly the Church teaches, simply read Church documents.  Then, a healthy and profitable conversation can be attempted.  When I converted to Catholicism two years ago, I did just that... Go to the source, not a third party book....

    - Michael

  • Michael Gaskin
    Michael Gaskin Member Posts: 93 ✭✭

    CoramDeo said:

    Folks,

    Please understand.  I do not hate catholic people...most of my family are Roman catholic.  And I pity and pray for them.  But I am against Roman catholic doctrine, because it is against the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Therefore, it is not "love" to pretend it doesn't exist, or play nicey-nice with everyone so not to hurt feelings.  If you love people you will tell them the truth, and the truth is that the roman catholic gospel is a gospel of works, and therefore no gospel at all.  Those that attempt to work their way to heaven will perish.

    Please email me directly at gaskinml@gmail.com, there you will not be required to play nice. You will however have to have a clear understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches, not a third party book that you would cut and paste.  You will be challenged... I remember I was told once that I was deceived about the "doctrine about Mary's conception".  I then asked this person how and they looked at me with a blank face...  He had no clue what the doctrine was even about... So, if you want to spend the time, know the doctrines and then email me.  I'm always open to searching for the truth, and I hope you are as well.

    - Michael

  • Dan Francis
    Dan Francis Member Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭

    fgh said:

    Please tell me more about it, I would love to order it, but I don't even see a prepub/community pricing listing for it.

    http://www.logos.com/product/5986/second-corinthians

    Yes I actually have that one pre order, I misread it as a "One Volume Commentary on the Holy Scriptures" not one volume of a commentary series. I am very excited about this volume reading the preview pages it looks wonderful.

     

    -Dan

  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    I've tried to gather all suggestions in this thread and started a new Suggestions thread about them here, since a) that's where they belong and are most likely to catch Logos' attention, and b) the way this thread is going it might end up being deleted, and it would be a shame if they were lost.

    Please go there and add your thumbs up, check that I haven't missed your suggestion, and add more as you come to think of them.

     

    Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2

  • William Pyant
    William Pyant Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    Brother Peter,

     

    I love your post and because i feel that is good to have a discussion between Catholics and Protestants about the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The first thing i will say is that the Catholic church does not teach a gospel of works. The Catholic Church teaches that you are justified through Grace alone. The Catechism of the Catholic Church deals with the topic of Justification extensively in CCC 1987 - 1995. The issue of works however is required through scripture and the church. My question for you would be that if works are not required, how can you explain passages in the bible like:

    Philippians 2:12 - 13: Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

    and

    James 2: 14 - 26: What does it profit, my brethren,, if a man says he has faith but has no works? Can his faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and in lack of daily food, and one says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what  does it profit? So faith by itself, if it has no works is dead.

    But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works," Show me your faith apart from your works, and I, by my works will show you my Faith. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the Demons believe - and shudder. Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the alter? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, and Scripture was fulfilled which says "Abraham believed in God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Ra'hab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers ans sent them out another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.

     

    These scriptures display the teachings of our Holy mother church.

  • Mike Pettit
    Mike Pettit Member Posts: 1,041 ✭✭


    Brother Peter,

     

    I love your post and because i feel that is good to have a discussion between Catholics and Protestants about the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The first thing i will say is that the Catholic church does not teach a gospel of works. The Catholic Church teaches that you are justified through Grace alone. The Catechism of the Catholic Church deals with the topic of Justification extensively in CCC 1987 - 1995. The issue of works however is required through scripture and the church. My question for you would be that if works are not required, how can you explain passages in the bible like:

    Philippians 2:12 - 13: Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

    and

    James 2: 14 - 26: What does it profit, my brethren,, if a man says he has faith but has no works? Can his faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and in lack of daily food, and one says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what  does it profit? So faith by itself, if it has no works is dead.

    But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works," Show me your faith apart from your works, and I, by my works will show you my Faith. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the Demons believe - and shudder. Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the alter? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, and Scripture was fulfilled which says "Abraham believed in God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Ra'hab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers ans sent them out another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.

     

    These scriptures display the teachings of our Holy mother church.


     

    These discussions are not allowed according the the board guidelines, we are asked to discuss Logos, not to argue theology.

    Believe me, any such discussions will lead to unpleasantness.

     

  • Jeremy Kritt
    Jeremy Kritt Member Posts: 21 ✭✭


    Brother Peter,

     

    I love your post and because i feel that is good to have a discussion between Catholics and Protestants about the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The first thing i will say is that the Catholic church does not teach a gospel of works. The Catholic Church teaches that you are justified through Grace alone. The Catechism of the Catholic Church deals with the topic of Justification extensively in CCC 1987 - 1995. The issue of works however is required through scripture and the church. My question for you would be that if works are not required, how can you explain passages in the bible like:

    Philippians 2:12 - 13: Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

    and

    James 2: 14 - 26: What does it profit, my brethren,, if a man says he has faith but has no works? Can his faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and in lack of daily food, and one says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what  does it profit? So faith by itself, if it has no works is dead.

    But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works," Show me your faith apart from your works, and I, by my works will show you my Faith. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the Demons believe - and shudder. Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the alter? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, and Scripture was fulfilled which says "Abraham believed in God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Ra'hab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers ans sent them out another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.

     

    These scriptures display the teachings of our Holy mother church.


     

     

    These discussions are not allowed according the the board guidelines, we are asked to discuss Logos, not to argue theology.

    Believe me, any such discussions will lead to unpleasantness.

     

    I really agree with Mike. I started this thread with the intention of finding out if there were other Catholic users of Logos software and to start a discussion on Logos' Catholic offerings. The people using Logos software are most likely very theologically literate and committed to their particular religious/theological traditions. It's doubtful that anyone one here is going to make the other come over to the other side. If we turn this into a theological debate, it'll definitely go down hill and very little will be gained by anyone involved. We have all had these debates countless times. Do we really need to start one here?

    Let's keep to the original topic. I thought that the conversation surrounding the Catholic Logos offerings was insightful. Many of the criticisms and suggestions were constructive.

  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    William Pyant

    1. I  am not your brother.

    2. I will not debate with papists, except in person.  If you would like to meet with me let me know and I will arrange it.

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,401 ✭✭✭✭

    Well, having looked at fgh's list, I spied New Jerome's Commentary (suggested by Dominick).

    We have so much else from from Brown that's quite good; this one would sure be a good addition to Logos.

    It'd probably stay on pre-pub just a few hours!

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Ken McGuire
    Ken McGuire Member Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭

    If I, as a "separated brother" may chip in...

    1) I would LOVE to have New City's Augustine set. 

    2) the new Routledge set of Early Church Fathers.

    3) Paulist's series on Christian Spirituality.

    The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann

    L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials

    L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze

  • Tom
    Tom Member Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭


    If I, as a "separated brother" may chip in...


    Hi folks,  just a little plug for you all to check out the pre-pub for the Jerusalem Bible in Spanish

    http://www.logos.com/es/producto/13203/biblia-de-jerusalen-latinoamericana

    This is a resource we should all be intrested in supporting. [Y] [Y] [Y]

    The problems is that all 5 of the Spanish pre-pubs only show up when you are in the Spanish only section of the logos site.[:@][:^)]

    So, I will direct your attention to the page and link.[:D]

    http://www.logos.com/products/search?Language=Spanish&Status=Pre-Pub&start=&sort=oldest

    As you can see in the above link, it is the only Catholic resource listed on the page, pretty sad. [:$] [:'(] [:$]

    So, if we get behind this effort, this could be in production in a matter of days[<:o)]

    Give the Logos Spanish Division something to blow its horn about and also help out Christs Church.

    Gracias, Hermano Tomas

    http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/  Solo a Dios la Gloria   Apoyo

  • Jeremy Kritt
    Jeremy Kritt Member Posts: 21 ✭✭

    I am really happy to see Logos develop its software for Catholic users. I am not sure if it is a response to what some of us have posted on these forums, but it certainly move in the right direction. I am happy to see that the product manager is a graduate of my Alma Mater, Saint Louis University -- an excellent university with a well regarded historical theology department.

    I just hope that Logos will be able to increase the number of titles that are of interest to Catholic users. It will be good for Catholics, but also good for Logos' bottom line.

    Good job guys! [:)]

  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    It will be good for Catholics, but also good for Logos' bottom line.

     

    Yes, good for catholics and Logos, but not good for Christ or His Gospel...Gal. 1:6-7

  • Jeremy Kritt
    Jeremy Kritt Member Posts: 21 ✭✭

    It's unfortunate that I have to read this unpleasant anti-Catholic comment. May Our Lord bless you in 2012.

  • Dan Francis
    Dan Francis Member Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭

    It will be good for Catholics, but also good for Logos' bottom line.

     

    Yes, good for catholics and Logos, but not good for Christ or His Gospel...Gal. 1:6-7

     

    I am not Catholic, but raised Lutheran low church now Anglican. Please try to be civil. I respect your opinion but must say I have found many Christ filled grace believing Christians in the Catholic church. Whether you believe this or not we are told not to be dogmatic in these forums and be respectful. Christ is glorified in many and various places and most surely where ever the Bible is taught and the Gospel read aloud.

    -dan

  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    I respect your opinion as well, but here is what the Lord says...

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!  Isaiah 5:20

  • Graham Owen
    Graham Owen Member Posts: 665 ✭✭

    I respect your opinion as well, but here is what the Lord says...

    Proverbs 26:5

    Seems to me that only a fool would accept or reject a resource based only on a denominational affiliation.

    God Bless

    Graham

    Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,401 ✭✭✭✭

    Surprising how often Christians need to quote from the 'fool-verse'.

    I'd certainly qualify for the 'fool' labeling ... I'm evangelical and avoid evangelical resources like the plague. Most of my favorites oddly enough are from the Catholic side of the house.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Graham Owen
    Graham Owen Member Posts: 665 ✭✭

    Surprising how often Christians need to quote from the 'fool-verse'.

    I have to admit that I was tempted to apologise in advance for the comment but had a need to make the observation...

    I personally enjoy resources from a wide range of perspectives.

    I hope my use of the fool reference did not offend you too deeply!

    Stay blessed...

    God Bless

    Graham

    Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke

  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    Proverb 26:5 says "don't answer a fool..." so then why did you not follow the command? 

  • Jonathan Watson
    Jonathan Watson Member Posts: 184 ✭✭

    Please be respectful and follow the Forum Guidelines. I ask you (all of you) to please refrain from theological attack, debate, discussion, or defense. 

     

    Thank you.

  • Silent Sam
    Silent Sam Member Posts: 176 ✭✭

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  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick MVP Posts: 16,225

    Sam,

    actually it looks like you silently [;)] help the trolls out here when you cite their posting in full. If some Logos admin deletes "Andy's" post, yours will carry the message along.

    Just my 2c

    Mick

    Edit: thanks for editing it out!

    Have joy in the Lord! Smile

  • Graham Owen
    Graham Owen Member Posts: 665 ✭✭

    Proverb 26:5 says "don't answer a fool..." so then why did you not follow the command? 



    Answer a fool as his folly deserves, That he not be wise in his own eyes. Proverbs 26:5 (NASB)

    God Bless

    Graham

    Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    I'm evangelical and avoid evangelical resources like the plague. Most of my favorites oddly enough are from the Catholic side of the house.

    very interesting.  while I can't say I avoid them like the plague, I have been distancing myself somewhat, even as I appreciate much of what you name as your favorites, even if I know i can't embrace the whole of it, and appreciate my own heritage for what it is.  this isn't the place to explore that, but i wanted to let you know that you touched on a dynamic I see within myself.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    where is the holy hand-grenade of Antioch when you need it?

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    where is the holy hand-grenade of Antioch when you need it?

    not one of my finer moments.  (it is a reference to a comedy troup's particular film sketch. )

    Interesting

    [:$]

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • JimTowler
    JimTowler Member Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭

    Actually Dan, I found your comment a useful light break from what had gone before in the last page or two.

    As for the general topic: I welcome Logos offering a range of resources, but ask that where possible, works are clearly identified. See some of the other recent threads about the age of some of the CP resources, and that the dates of some of the quotes about how wonderful and recommendde they are, comes from 1873 or some such.

     

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    JimT said:

    Actually Dan, I found your comment a useful light break from what had gone before in the last page or two.

    thanks.  I was trying to be humorous, but as I have figured out, my use of humor as a coping mechanism often is interpreted in a lot of ways that are not helpful.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Andy
    Andy Member Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭
  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    Hey, who removed those truthful quotes from this thread about the Papacy as anti-christ?  I find it amazing that as Christ said, the light of truth is hated.  We see it specifically played out on this "christian" forum...

     




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    John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

     

  • Paul Oertly
    Paul Oertly Member Posts: 78 ✭✭

    Hey, who removed those truthful quotes from this thread about the Papacy as anti-christ?

    Do you mean these citations? 

    John Huss


    John Huss was a student of John Wycliff, who translated the Bible into English in 1382. Wycliff advocated the right of the common man to read the Bible in his own language. Both Wycliff and Huss believed scripture to supersede the dogmas and ordinances of the church and both declared the Papacy to be the AntiChrist foretold in scripture. John Huss was burned alive* at the stake in 1415 for his "heresy" and rebellion against Catholic authority.

    Martin Luther

    Based on prophetic studies, Martin Luther finally declared, "We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520).

    John Calvin

    John Calvin (1509–1564) (Presbyterian): "Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt... I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy."

    John Knox

    John Knox (1505–1572) (Scotch Presbyterian): John Knox sought to counteract "that tyranny which the pope himself has for so many ages exercised over the church." As with Luther, he finally concluded that the Papacy was "the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks."

    Thomas Cranmer

    Thomas Cranmer (1489–1556) (Anglican): "Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons."

    Roger Williams

    Roger Williams (1603–1683) (First Baptist Pastor in America): Pastor Williams spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ o­n earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not o­nly above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vassals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to change times and laws; but he is the son of perdition (II Thess. 2)."

    The Westminster Confession of Faith

    The Westminster Confession of Faith (1647): "There is no other head of the church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition that exalteth himself in the church against Christ and all that is called God."

    Cotton Mather

    Cotton Mather (1663–1728) (Congregational Theologian): "The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church: and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them."

    John Wesley

    John Wesley (1703–1791) (Methodist): Speaking of the Papacy, John Wesley wrote, "He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers... He it is...that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped...claiming the highest power, and highest honour...claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone."

  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭

    I find it amazing that as Christ said

    Too bad you doubt your Lord's words so much. Therein could lie your problem in obeying His command to love your enemies. Give it a try; [8]  "Give a little, give a little bit of your love to me." [8]    ~ Supertramp

    The owner of the forum is apparently tired of the hate certain lawless posters are spewing. You do not have the authority to keep it up. Even a perfect evangelist is commanded by the Lord not to cast their pearls before swine. So whatever your standing before God, the Bible gives neither you nor I the right to hate.

    Your Gospel message should be how Christ came to seek and save the lost. Gospel means "good news." That is quite different than taking joy in the damnation of any who may be lost. I think that conduct falls more in line with the response of Satan. I just don't get it.

    Logos 7 Collectors Edition

  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    "Give a little, give a little bit of your love to me."

    You are missing the point...Truth is not hate.  You may see it is hate because you love darkness.  Love is showing light to those in the darkness whether they can see it or not.  Maybe you should get your theology from the God's word an not 70's drug bands...who worship Babaji

  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    Do you mean these citations?

     

     Yes, They are the ones.  Thanks.

  • Schezic
    Schezic Member Posts: 298 ✭✭

    "Give a little, give a little bit of your love to me."

    You are missing the point...Truth is not hate.  You may see it is hate because you love darkness.  Love is showing light to those in the darkness whether they can see it or not.  Maybe you should get your theology from the God's word an not 70's drug bands...who worship Babaji

     Wow...I wasn't aware of that. Good catch.

     

    SUPERTRAMP - BABAJI LYRICS

    All of my life I felt that you were listeningWatching for ways to help me stay in tune Lord of my dreams, although confusion Keeps trying to deceive Oh what is it that makes me believe in you?Oh I know, I know, I know, I know
    Babaji, oh won't you come to me? Won't you help me to face the music? Bring it out so we can sing it out Help us to find it before we lose it. At night when the stars are near And there's no one to keep you from coming here. And if no one to shield me before your eyes. Is it mine, is it mine, is it mine to know? I tell you
    I can see it's not too good to meTo be afloat in the sea of glory Babaji, oh how you comfort me By showing me it's a different story Your light in the dark is real. And I know that you know it is how I feel. When I see the reflections that's in your eyes Is it mine, is it mine, is it mine to know? Ohh, can't you here me? [Incomprehensible]
    Babaji, have you a song for meTo tell the world of it's guardian angel? Bring it out so we can sing it out.Oh must you always remain a stranger? At night when the stars are near, And I long for delusion to disappear, Then I see the reflection that's in your eyes. Is it time, is it time, is it time, Is it time, is it time, is it time, is it time to know?
     

  • BKMitchell
    BKMitchell Member Posts: 659 ✭✭✭

    Please be respectful and follow the Forum Guidelines. I ask you (all of you) to please refrain from theological attack, debate, discussion, or defense. Thank you.

    I second this.

    However, perhaps Logos should hire or enlist forum moderators to manage the forums and to enforce the guidelines.

     

    חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

  • Schezic
    Schezic Member Posts: 298 ✭✭

    However, perhaps Logos should hire or enlist forum moderators to manage the forums and to enforce the guidelines.

    You out of work?
  • Andy
    Andy Member Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭

    I second this.

    However, perhaps Logos should hire or enlist forum moderators to manage the forums and to enforce the guidelines.

    I understand from a previous thread (now deleted) that Bob was disinclined to move towards formal moderation of the forums. However, it has been encouraging, of late, that Logos appears to have taken a more active (albeit low-key) approach to addressing the excesses which unfortunately appear from time-to-time. Jonathan's timely interventions give fair warning and I am aware that offending threads and posts have been deleted. 

    I would encourage you to use the report abuse tool (under 'More') where a post contravenes the forum guidelines. I would also encourage you to be incredibly specific in your report. Where the issue is sectarian abuse, I state it as such.

    In my experience, Logos tends to arrive at its own view and, where they believe a post steps beyond the bounds of appropriateness, action is taken.

    I am also aware that there is a user who is operating under at least two profiles. This user uses those accounts to inflame debates such as this (indeed, he features on this thread). I have again reported this to Logos and am confident the matter is in hand.

    I strongly suspect that he is running multiple accounts (it is my further suspicion that there are perhaps as few as two individuals engaging in such behaviour). 

    I generally disregard any profile with a low post count and where the majority of the posts are wilfully controversial and divisive. I take this to be evidence that the profile is counterfeit and designed to engaging in trolling.

     

  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    I second this.

    However, perhaps Logos should hire or enlist forum moderators to manage the forums and to enforce the guidelines.

    I think logos already has pro-papist, anti-gospel moderators.  Note that The "Reformed Users" thread was already deleted, but not this catholic thread.

    The other option is that Logos thinks papists have more money than born-again believers and must kowtow to them.

     




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    Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

  • Jeremy Kritt
    Jeremy Kritt Member Posts: 21 ✭✭


    Peter, you are entitled to your opinion. However, you are violating the forum guidelines. These forums are for discussing Logos software. I think we all agree that it is excellent software. You have hijacked this thread and taken it down a completely unproductive path. 

    I am reposting Logos' forum policy for you. Please notice that the second rule states that these forums are not to be used for biblical, theological, or other controversial topics.

    Please abide by the following guidelines as you interact on our forums.

    1. Please keep your discussions focused on Logos Bible Software: our software, products, websites, company, tools, etc.
    2. Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics. Use one of the many web forums intended for these kinds of discussions.
    3. Please treat each other with the love, courtesy, respect, and kindness that you would if you were sitting in your living room together.
    4. Please do not use our forums to
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      • post Logos Coupon Codes. If you are aware of a special promotion Logos is running online, you are welcome to link directly to the promotion.
    5. Please search before posting. It’s likely that someone has already asked your question.
    6. Please help others follow these guidelines. If the problems continue after you’ve given a gentle reminder of these expectations, please click “Report Abuse” under “More” or send an email to forums@logos.com.

    Thank you for your cooperation. Enjoy discussing and learning about Logos Bible Software.

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772


    I am also aware that there is a user who is operating under at least two profiles. This user uses those accounts to inflame debates such as this (indeed, he features on this thread). I have again reported this to Logos and am confident the matter is in hand.

    I strongly suspect that he is running multiple accounts (it is my further suspicion that there are perhaps as few as two individuals engaging in such behaviour). 

    I generally disregard any profile with a low post count and where the majority of the posts are wilfully controversial and divisive. I take this to be evidence that the profile is counterfeit and designed to engaging in trolling.

     

     

    you verbalized what I was noticing, too.  thanks for your overall sane response, Andy.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Schezic
    Schezic Member Posts: 298 ✭✭

    I am also aware that there is a user who is operating under at least two profiles.

    Who is it? Tell us !
  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    However, you are violating the forum guidelines.

    Why aren't you violating the forums by creating a separatist thread only for catholics (i.e. "Catholic Users"?)

    The problem here is discrimination...papists are allowed to say whatever they want and start whatever threads they want and seperate themselves as catholics. 

    However, when a born-again person starts a thread to say they only want the opinion of other born-again (Reformed) people or they post truths about church history (i.e. Pope as anti-christ), the papists and moderators scream and delete threads.

     

    Logos may want to consider changing its name from "Logos" to " Imprimatur"

     

  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭

    Love is showing light to those in the darkness whether they can see it or not.

    My theology comes from  Rabbi Yeshua  He told me to pray for your mother because you are a great sorrow to her being a lawless son and such. Proverbs 17:21

    I love all Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, .....

    I also love all gluttons, thieves, liars, fornicators, and lawless forum posters....   you included.

    As bad as some people act & talk, they are made by God and loved by God and can only be judged by God. For you to think you can improve upon God's performance just goes to show  deleted cause it was not nice..     Pray & Love.  That is my theology.          

     Roger Hodgson would have tempered it a bit.                    Fred Phelps would send Jesus to Hell.  pathetic theology....

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