How can a create a vocabulary list by frequence of a new testament book?
Anyone know how?
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It's difficult to do this in Logos 4 at the moment (though it was possible in Logos 3). It is due to be added back it Logos 4 at some point soon (the feature is called Vocabulary Lists).
The only way of doing it now is to do a Morph search for all the different parts of speech, then run analysis view and group by lemma, then right-click on a heading and collapse all.
The search term is therefore @B OR @C OR @D OR @I OR @J OR @N OR @P OR @R OR @T OR @V OR @X An advantage of this method is that you could leave out parts of speech that weren't relevant such as pronouns or conjunctions.
And finally a warning. Only try this method on smallish books. Running it on the whole NT will take a very very long time.
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Hi David - and welcome to the forums
The only way I know of doing this is via a wildcard search (which can be slow) in analysis view.
So you need to set up a search something like the one below:
and switch to analysis view
That will result in a set of results as below:
(you will see it took me just under 500 seconds for the search to conclude)
You can then "drag" the "Result" header up to group by that field
which will result in something like this:
(I have sorted them in occurrence order by left-clicking on the resource column)
You can expand / collapse individual entries as you wish or by right-clicking on an entry you can expand / collapse them all.
Hope this helps
Graham
Edit: I see that Mark's Morph search returns more results so is probably better but I haven't had a chance to analyse the differences.
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A quick explanation as to the differences between Graham's method and mine:
- Graham's is quicker to type, mine is quicker to run! It's your choice.
- Graham grouped by result, I grouped by lemma. Again, it's your choice. (Result is the form of the word as it appears in the text, lemma is the dictionary form.)
- Graham's method had better pictures!
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Mark Barnes said:
Graham's method had better pictures!
Yes, but if we go to your web site you will have better video!
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Graham Criddle said:
I see that Mark's Morph search returns more results so is probably better but I haven't had a chance to analyse the differences.
It's more likely that yours is better, because the extra results on mine are probably due to words that are tagged more than once.
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Mark Barnes said:
It is due to be added back it Logos 4 at some point soon (the feature is called Vocabulary Lists).
http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures
It's listed as being added back in the 4th quarter of 2010. On my last post on the topic it was said that it isn't in the current beta. Do we think we will have vocab and word list soon? Also when does the fourth quarter actually end for Logos. Are we talking about a fiscal year or calendar year?
The standard U.S. fiscal year is Oct. - Sept.
1st Quarter: October - December
2nd Quarter: January - March
3rd Quarter: April - June
4th Quarter: July - September
So are we talking about July - Sept of 2011 for Vocab and Word List?0 -
Gentlemen,
Thank you so much for your help. Both of these methods will become very useful to me. Merry Christmas !!!
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Anthony H said:
Do we think we will have vocab and word list soon?
None of us know, but I would imagine Jan-Feb might be a possibility. Certainly Logos intended to have it released by the end of this year.
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Follow up:
How did yo get it to only show the words and not a list of the words in their context underneath?
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David A. McGrath said:
How did yo get it to only show the words and not a list of the words in their context underneath?
Drag lemma to the top, so it is grouped by lemma.
Right-click on one of the horizontal bars which displays the group heading, then choose collapse all.
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This method works well; however, when I run this search on Acts, for example, it says it's only displaying the first 10,000 results... Anyone know how I can get rid of that limitation? I'm trying to create a vocabulary list for the entire book of Acts. Thanks for any tips.
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First, try exporting the search to an Excel file and see if it gives you all of the results.
If not you can run two searches, each on half of the book, export both and then merge the results in Excel and delete the duplicates (Excel has a feature to do this).
Finally, if you have Libronix installed it has a Vocabulary list feature that should make this process relatively easy.
EDIT: I know a Jon Potter, is it you?
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David A. McGrath said:
I want to do theme searches and I would love to be able to create a vocabulary list of say all the Greek words in the Letter to the Ephesians and I'd like to know how frequently they appear in the book. Anyone know how?
Why do this? You probably have a resource which has already done the work for you.
Van Voorst, Robert E. Building Your New Testament Greek Vocabulary. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1990.
george
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George, thanks for the tip! [Y]
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George Somsel said:David A. McGrath said:
I want to do theme searches and I would love to be able to create a vocabulary list of say all the Greek words in the Letter to the Ephesians and I'd like to know how frequently they appear in the book. Anyone know how?
Why do this? You probably have a resource which has already done the work for you.
Van Voorst, Robert E. Building Your New Testament Greek Vocabulary. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1990.
George:
I think I may be missing something - the resource that you mentioned seems to list Greek words by frequency in the NT, not by individual book. Did I miss something?
In seminary we used one reference that would be of help here.
Kubo, Sakae (1973). A Reader's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament. Berrian Springs, MI: Andrews University Press.
Here is copy of a single page:
The "Special Vocabulary" at the top of the page shows all words found in the Bible book occurring more than 5 times, the remainder of the vocabulary shows the remainder of the words found in each chapter. It would be a good book to have in the LOGOS library.
After originally posting the above, I found a link to the text at Amazon: http://amzn.to/Sakae_Kubo
Blessings,
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Anthony H said:Mark Barnes said:
It is due to be added back it Logos 4 at some point soon (the feature is called Vocabulary Lists).
http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures
It's listed as being added back in the 4th quarter of 2010. On my last post on the topic it was said that it isn't in the current beta. Do we think we will have vocab and word list soon? Also when does the fourth quarter actually end for Logos. Are we talking about a fiscal year or calendar year?
The standard U.S. fiscal year is Oct. - Sept.
1st Quarter: October - December
2nd Quarter: January - March
3rd Quarter: April - June
4th Quarter: July - September
So are we talking about July - Sept of 2011 for Vocab and Word List?No, that page simply hasn't been updated in a while. It is referring to a calendar year, but they slipped their projected target for when they'd do Vocab and Word Lists. I'm guessing they'll be in the next version after 4.2a, whether that is called 4.3 or what I'm not sure. Since they usually have overlapping development cycles, and we're still in the beta cycle for 4.2a, they've probably already started work on 4.3 in another code fork, but it's anybody's guess when that will enter the beta phase. Not until at least a week or two after 4.2a ships, which could still be another couple of weeks to a month off.
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Thank you, George! *smile*George Somsel said:David A. McGrath said:I want to do theme searches and I would love to be able to create a vocabulary list of say all the Greek words in the Letter to the Ephesians and I'd like to know how frequently they appear in the book. Anyone know how?
Why do this? You probably have a resource which has already done the work for you.
Van Voorst, Robert E. Building Your New Testament Greek Vocabulary. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1990.
What a lovely book to quickly review and refesh my Greek! Actually, I didn't know I had that book and am grateful that you pointed it out!
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Mark Barnes said:
The search term is therefore @B OR @C OR @D OR @I OR @J OR @N OR @P OR @R OR @T OR @V OR @X An advantage of this method is that you could leave out parts of speech that weren't relevant such as pronouns or conjunctions.
Sorry to join this discussion late - I have been using the method Mark recommends for quite awhile. I have posted a video on doing it in the wiki under the video section. But I have noticed a slight problem, especially if you are looking for the number of time the word occurs in the text. If the word has more than one possible morphological form they will all be listed and included in the word count. An example can be found in 1 John with the lemma agapao. This method shows 31 occurrences, but some are duplicated because of the different possible morphological forms. This is not a huge problem, but it can cause the frequency numbers to be off. In this example the word agapao only occurs 28 times in the text.
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Michael Hite said:Mark Barnes said:
The search term is therefore @B OR @C OR @D OR @I OR @J OR @N OR @P OR @R OR @T OR @V OR @X An advantage of this method is that you could leave out parts of speech that weren't relevant such as pronouns or conjunctions.
Sorry to join this discussion late - I have been using the method Mark recommends for quite awhile. I have posted a video on doing it in the wiki under the video section. But I have noticed a slight problem, especially if you are looking for the number of time the word occurs in the text. If the word has more than one possible morphological form they will all be listed and included in the word count. An example can be found in 1 John with the lemma agapao. This method shows 31 occurrences, but some are duplicated because of the different possible morphological forms. This is not a huge problem, but it can cause the frequency numbers to be off. In this example the word agapao only occurs 28 times in the text.
Concur - in John 1 appears 2 forms have 2 mood possibilities (one form occurs twice) - Logos 4.2a Beta 7 counts all variant forms:
Restricting search to Primary Morph produces same results.
Tried Graham's simple search * of surface text in 1 John (search time much longer) with same results - all variant forms counted.
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Trying to do this method in anything but the GNT is a nightmare. For example, in the Apostolic Fathers or the Works of Philo there is no option to search within individual books or works so the vocabulary (especially in Philo) is ENORMOUS. I started my Philo search at 10:30 and it is now almost 10:45 and Logos is still working! My computer is no snail, either. Bah!
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Refe said:
Trying to do this method in anything but the GNT is a nightmare. For example, in the Apostolic Fathers or the Works of Philo there is no option to search within individual books or works so the vocabulary (especially in Philo) is ENORMOUS. I started my Philo search at 10:30 and it is now almost 10:45 and Logos is still working! My computer is no snail, either. Bah!
That's the power of indexing + tags/book divisions.
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Refe said:
Trying to do this method in anything but the GNT is a nightmare. For example, in the Apostolic Fathers or the Works of Philo there is no option to search within individual books or works so the vocabulary (especially in Philo) is ENORMOUS. I started my Philo search at 10:30 and it is now almost 10:45 and Logos is still working! My computer is no snail, either. Bah!
There may well be better ways to do this, but here is what came to mind. I ran a morph search on Philo with no lemma, but selecting one part of speech (I don't think you can do more than one at a time so you will need to run a search for each part of speech). I selected the analysis view and clicked on "Lemma (Greek)" to gather them all together. In the screenshot I scrolled down to where the lemma began to be listed. It would be something of a pain, but I suppose you could dump these into a spreadsheet to determine the frequency of each word.
george
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George Somsel said:
I ran a morph search on Philo with no lemma, but selecting one part of speech (I don't think you can do more than one at a time so you will need to run a search for each part of speech).
You can do it with more than one part of speech, as the second post in this thread demonstrates.
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Dominick Sela said:
The second post on the first page of this thread - HERE.
Oops. Somehow, I missed that this was a multi-page thread [:$] Forgive my "senior moment"
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The Exegetical Guide "word by word" section was actually designed so you could create something like Kubo's book, only with more data. Use the "Settings" on the header of that section to set the frequency of the lemmas you want included.
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Bob Pritchett said:
The Exegetical Guide "word by word" section was actually designed so you could create something like Kubo's book, only with more data. Use the "Settings" on the header of that section to set the frequency of the lemmas you want included.
Thanks, that's good to know. Since I never use the Exegetical Guide, I wasn't aware of that feature.
george
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David A. McGrath said:
create a vocabulary list of say all the Greek words in the Letter to the Ephesians and I'd like to know how frequently they appear in the book
If you can't get exactly what you want in Logos, here is an online tool that can be modified. I don't know what Greek text he uses, but it still should be fairly accurate.
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Kevin Becker said:
First, try exporting the search to an Excel file and see if it gives you all of the results.
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Finally, if you have Libronix installed it has a Vocabulary list feature that should make this process relatively easy.
I can confirm that exporting a search with more than 10,000 results does not give you the remaining results in the export.
I began my Logos journey with version 4. This is not the first time someone has suggested using a previous version to solve a Logos 4 challenge. I don't suppose I get earlier versions for free if I've purchase later versions?
And back on topic - is there a way just to export the collapsed/summary view rather than the entire search results? Especially since the row headers contain a gloss whereas the search results do not.
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