Morph search problems with multiple @

Eric Weiss

I'm trying to do a search for constructions like John 3:8

 οὕτως BEFORE 1 word lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1 word @J

But whenever I want to increase my choices so it's not just an adjective (@J) but could be either an adjective or a noun @N or a pronoun @R, I get 0 results. I've tried using parentheses, commas, etc., and no luck.

I'd like to do something like:

 οὕτως BEFORE 1 word lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1 word (@J, @N, @R)

but it doesn't work.

Help?

Robert Pavich

Did the following and it worked:

οὕτως BEFORE 1 word lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1 word @j OR οὕτως BEFORE 1 word lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1 word @n OR οὕτως BEFORE 1 word lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1 word @r

Except it doesn't find any beyond the first part of the query...

so I added the adverb query @B and I got some additional hits.

οὕτως BEFORE 1 word lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1 word @j OR οὕτως BEFORE 1 word
lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1 word @n OR οὕτως BEFORE 1 word lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1
word @r οὕτως BEFORE 1 word lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1 word @b

 

Eric Weiss

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/204933#Comment_204933

Thanks, Robert.

But a comma is supposed to work like the OR operator: http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help - yet it didn't/doesn't for me. FWIW, I was using the SBLGNT - I don't know if the problem occurs with other Greek texts.

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/204936#Comment_204936

I can't get your original search to work I must be using the wrong resource or something, but try spaces, that's how it shows up if you use the selection boxes:

οὕτως BEFORE 1 word lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1 word (@J @N @R)

Does that work?

FWIW, this type of search may be more productive in a syntax search. Not knowing exactly what you are looking for, I constructed this syntax search looking for all three types:

Eric Weiss

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/204943#Comment_204943

Dominick Sela said:

I can't get your original search to work I must be using the wrong resource or something, but try spaces, that's how it shows up if you use the selection boxes:

οὕτως BEFORE 1 word lemma:εἰμί BEFORE 1 word (@J @N @R)

Does that work?

No, that doesn't work, either. That was how I tried unsuccessfully to do it, but I inserted commas between the @'s. I'll have to learn how to do syntax searches.

 

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/204947#Comment_204947

I actually got the search to work using commas but it was searching the wrong thing...it was asking for the first group of search operators as expected but then it looked for the stuff after the commas separately...not what you wanted...that's why I went to the verbose "each section with an OR between" search....

Someone who's better at searching than I am can chime in....

Kevin Becker

I did some poking and the search engine does not play well with a list of morphological codes paired with a proximity operator.

I don't know why, but I was able to play around with search results enough that I can confirm that it just plain doesn't work.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/205029#Comment_205029

Kevin Becker said:

I don't know why, but I was able to play around with search results enough that I can confirm that it just plain doesn't work.

Ditto. Morph Search is not for complex searches. Press the Bible search button to see that it interprets the query as:-

(((([field bible, content] οὕτως) BEFORE 1 words ([field bible, content] <lemma = lbs/el/εἰμί>)) BEFORE (([field bible, content] "1"), ([field bible, content] <number = 1>))) AND ([field bible, content] word) AND ([field bible, content] <lbs-morph+el ~ J????>) AND ([field bible, content] <lbs-morph+el ~ N????>) AND ([field bible, content] <lbs-morph+el ~ R??????>))

However, after some editing, this query does work (in Bible search):-

οὕτως BEFORE 1 words <lemma = lbs/el/εἰμί> BEFORE 1 word (<lbs-morph+el ~ J????>,  <lbs-morph+el ~ N????>, <lbs-morph+el ~ R??????>)