Sharing resources of LOGos 4 with Kindle
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Robert Pavich said:
PS: I don't like trying to access biblia through my kindle...it just doesn't look right....maybe I'm doing something wrong.
The standard layout of Biblia doesn't work with Kindle. Are you clicking to go to the mobile view, which is much better?
The two outstanding issues are:
1. The font size. The standard view has recently acquired a slider to change font size: it doesn't work on Kindle. There is not yet an equivalent option on the mobile version. At the moment, for each page you have to use the Kindle option to zoom in.
2. On the mobile version we do not yet have popups for the footnotes and links. Instead you click a link that takes you to the bottom of the page, making it difficult (particularly if you have zoomed in) to find where you were in the text.
However, things are gradually progressing, and another update is promised this week.
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I agree about Biblia - not even close to being useful on a Kindle.
Without getting into a debate about the EULA, what good is using the export function if it is limited to 100 pages of a book? Seems like it makes all these methods moot.
How would you export an entire book, assuming it is more than 100 pages?
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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Jerry Bush said:
How would you export an entire book, assuming it is more than 100 pages?
I used simple copy (from Logos) and paste (into Word) for Peterson's The Contemplative Pastor.
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How do you get it to select all the text?
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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Jerry Bush said:
How do you get it to select all the text?
Yes, unfortunately, although Select All (Command-A) is in the menu, it doesn't work for selecting all the text in a title. You will have to select all the text manually.
- Go to the beginning of the text. Click in the space right before the first word and drag your mouse to some or all of what you can see on the immediate screen. Then let go of the mouse button. The highlighting should remain.
- Then, using the scroll bar, go to the very end of the text. Hold your shift key down and click with your mouse after the last word. This will increase your highlighting from what you already had selected to the entire text.
- Right-click on the passage, and you should see an option to copy all the text.
- Go to the word processor of your choice and Paste.
That should do it for you.
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R. Mansfield said:Jerry Bush said:
How do you get it to select all the text?
Yes, unfortunately, although Select All (Command-A) is in the menu, it doesn't work for selecting all the text in a title. You will have to select all the text manually.
- Go to the beginning of the text. Click in the space right before the first word and drag your mouse to some or all of what you can see on the immediate screen. Then let go of the mouse button. The highlighting should remain.
- Then, using the scroll bar, go to the very end of the text. Hold your shift key down and click with your mouse after the last word. This will increase your highlighting from what you already had selected to the entire text.
- Right-click on the passage, and you should see an option to copy all the text.
- Go to the word processor of your choice and Paste.
That should do it for you.
I have tried this before and my problem is in step #2. I have done what you said, but when I click on the last word of the text I want, the highlighting happens, but only for about 3 pages back. I can never get it to copy the whole thing. It happens in different books.
I have wanted to do this before, regardless of using it on a Kindle. I have wanted to bring something into Word so I can take it home or read it on the couch, etc. I have never been able to select all of the text in a resource. CTRL+A does not do it either.
Any other ideas?
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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Jerry Bush said:
I have tried this before and my problem is in step #2. I have done what you said, but when I click on the last word of the text I want, the highlighting happens, but only for about 3 pages back. I can never get it to copy the whole thing. It happens in different books.
I have wanted to do this before, regardless of using it on a Kindle. I have wanted to bring something into Word so I can take it home or read it on the couch, etc. I have never been able to select all of the text in a resource. CTRL+A does not do it either.
Any other ideas?
I'm having trouble with it myself now. It could be that we talked too much about it yesterday, and part of the process is now blocked thanks to the beta just released.
However, I found that it is still possible if you do one of two things. Either hold the mouse down at the bottom of the screen and let it scroll to the bottom of the title (tedious and slow, but perhaps something that could be mindlessly done while watching TV or something) or holding the shift key down and clicking once every few pages down, grabbing much smaller bites at a time. I was able to select and keep the entire text using either of these methods. However, the other key is to simply hit Command-C or choose Copy from the menu. If you right-click, you only get the immediate section.
And obviously, the other option is to simply cut and paste one section at a time. All of this has to be weighed against how much you want the text in another format. I wanted to read the entire book by Peterson on my Kindle and take notes--something I can't do any other way. So, the effort in that context would still be easier to me, although it was certainly easier a couple of days ago.
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Does anyone else have a better way to do this?
More importantly, I would like to hear from Logos.
I am not a pirate/thief/etc. I especially would never do anything to hurt my favorite company, Logos.
I simply want to read my books on the Kindle. Logos, can I do this without violating the agreement and if I can, is there a way to get it done?
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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Ditto for me Jerry...
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Jerry Bush said:
Does anyone else have a better way to do this?
I'm a PC user, but I believe the latest beta version for Mac now incorporates the Print/Export function. This allows you to choose which sections of a resource to export to a format such as a Word document. It is limited to 100 pages at a time, but you can also copy and paste further sections. It takes a while to do a whole book, but it is more controllable than highlighting text in the resource.
The Word document can then be emailed to your Kindle.
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I think it is the other way around -- it is the PC version that works, not the Mac.
My question is, are Logos crippling the export functionality deliberately? The Mac version is terrible in regards to non-standard menus for cut/copy/paste.
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Jonathan Pitts said:Jerry Bush said:
Does anyone else have a better way to do this?
I'm a PC user, but I believe the latest beta version for Mac now incorporates the Print/Export function. This allows you to choose which sections of a resource to export to a format such as a Word document. It is limited to 100 pages at a time, but you can also copy and paste further sections. It takes a while to do a whole book, but it is more controllable than highlighting text in the resource.
The Word document can then be emailed to your Kindle.
Just because we can do something does not make it legal or ethical. Just because we can copy 100 pages in L4 does not give us the right to do so. Each book as its own copyright statement that says something like "Except for brief quotations in critical articles or reviews, no part of this book may be reproduce in any manner without prior written permission from the publisher."
Copying pages into a word document is reproducing part of the book in a different format.
Logos has said that we can make an archival or backup copy of the program and data. Logos has also said that we cannot modify or adapt the software or merge it into another program.
If you ask me, the L4's EULA and the copyright statements within each book makes it clear that we cannot send our data (our books) to Kindle.
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Rob said:
I think it is the other way around -- it is the PC version that works, not the Mac.
The release notes for the latest beta (http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4.2a_Beta_7) list this under "New features for Mac". To install the beta, type "Set update channel to beta" in the command box the restart the program (although you might want to search the forums for more on the beta program before you take the plunge).
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Logos does not yet have an official position on putting books on the Kindle.
We definitely do not support your distributing or re-selling the books, but we design our software around a "purchase once, use anywhere" model -- for the original purchaser. Personally, I'd like us to have an "Export to Kindle" feature built right in.
I have no idea who this will antagonize or not. Some publishers, for example, are happy to support "buy once, read anywhere," others are not. (We can't even enable some books for iPhone access because of publisher restrictions.)
So at this point, there is no official policy but your own interpretation of a complex stew of licenses / fair use / legal precedent / etc. You won't make me upset if you read it on a Kindle yourself; I would consider it inappropriate to give the content to someone else, to share licenses, to redistribute the content, etc.
I hope we'll have better support for e-ink e-book devices in the future, and we'll probably have to adjust that support to varying (and changing) publisher opinions.
-- Bob
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Thanks, Bob, for clearing that up. I didn't feel like I was doing anything wrong by exporting to my Kindle for my own reading use, but a lot of others on here certainly did. The Kindle is a great device for straight reading of books—even better than the iPad for simply reading, in my opinion.
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Wow that is a great reply. No seriously. The Kindle is indeed a great reading device and it would be marvelous to be able to push books straight from Logos to Kindle. It would also provide a greater incentive to buy books thru Logos than thru Amazon.
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Thank you, Bob. It is a great help to hear the official Logos position, even if it is that there is no official Logos position. It is certainly useful to be able to read resources on the Kindle, whether by exporting or via Biblia.com.
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Bob - thank you so much for your reply.
An "export to Kindle" feature... that makes me drool. I know it is not planned, but I will pretend that it is. [:)]
Thanks again, and thanks for Logos!
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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Now that I know that Logos is ok with exporting to Kindle for personal reading...I'm on "auto-drool"...
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Now that the permission issue has been cleared up...
After downloading the most recent release of Logos/Mac (4.2a [4.21.5.0585]), I can testify to the fact that the easiest way to convert to the Kindle is through the following steps:
- Open the title to convert.
- Click the panel icon in the title and choose "Print/Export."
- Select the "Use these sections" radio button and select the sections you want to convert.
- Select "Web Page (HTML)" under Export: Save as file.
- Select the location and give the exported file a title.
- Use Calibre to convert the file to .mobi (Kindle) format.
- Email the new converted .mobi file to your Kindle's email address.
A couple of notes:
(a) There was some discussion on here about a 100 page limit for exports. It seems to me that the determination of what a page is may be based more on the amount of content that could print on the page if it was printed from Logos. Peterson's The Contemplative Pastor, with all sections selected, generated 88 pages in the preview dialogue. The actual book is a bit longer than this--well over 100 pages if memory serves.
(b) The file can be emailed either directly from Calibre or you can email it manually.
I hope that's a bit helpful. The above steps seems to be the quickest way to convert a text, and much shorter than copying and pasting to Word, exporting to HTML and then importing into Calibre as I described a few days ago. The above steps can be completed well within five minutes.
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What about pictures?images?
What about formatting?
I'm guess you could also paste into Word and email as PDF to Amazon with "convert" in the subject line.
Ok, I am having a go. Comments so far (relating to beta 7 on Mac...)
1. This is excellent so far. Exporting can be to PDF and PDFs can be read easily on Kindle.
2. Exporting PDFs -- should not use A4 of letter as these are too large for the Kindle. Use B5 or similar (yet untried by myself).
3. There is no custom option for page size. A Kindle option in here would be nice please Logos devs. I think the page size for Kindle is about 91mm x 122mm. There are lots of other page sizes but nothing suitable :-( Choosing B6 makes a mess of the text and footnotes (they overlap) but A5 seems ok so far.
4. The selection option tick boxes for pages or chapters seems rather oddly implemented. Ticking a chapter should select everything under that chapter, not just the first page. You need to select all the sections in the chapter manually which is quite painful. I would just like to print the entire Ephesians section from the Bible Knowledge Commentary but this appears to require dozens of mouse clocks :-(
5. PDF formatting at B5 page size is beautiful. Very nicely done. Now need to send to my Kindle !
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6. You can determine the pages to export and select using: "Volume 2, Pages 613–645" on the left selection pane. That works nicely.
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Rob said:
What about pictures?images?
Okay, I've been playing around with converting to Kindle's .mobi format in a way that will retain images.
In the method I described yesterday--exporting to HTML and then to .mobi (via Calibre), Logos exports the images as separate linked files in the same folder as the HTML file. Rather than seeing if Calibre would retain the links to graphics in an HTML file once it moves it to its own folders, I came up with a different solution.
I remembered that Apple's iWork Pages will now export an ePub file which can be imported into Calibre. So I played around with this using the Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary. I exported about 10 pages that included pictures to Word. Then I saved the Word file and opened it in Pages. From Pages I exported to ePub. Using Calibre, I converted the ePub file to .Mobi and emailed it to my Kindle. Works like a charm. All the images were included.
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R. Mansfield said:
I converted the ePub file to .Mobi and emailed it to my Kindle
Thanks for sharing your experiences with those of us who have Kindle readers. I am curious as to why if the converted file is already in .mobi format that you email it to your Kindle. I just drag and drop files that Kindle supports via my computer and usb connection to my Kindle. If I email it to my Kindle, then I think (and I could be wrong) I pay a small fee for every file I convert and email to my Kindle. Maybe there is some advantage to emailing it to my Kindle that I don't know.
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Joan Korte said:
Thanks for sharing your experiences with those of us who have Kindle readers. I am curious as to why if the converted file is already in .mobi format that you email it to your Kindle. I just drag and drop files that Kindle supports via my computer and usb connection to my Kindle. If I email it to my Kindle, then I think (and I could be wrong) I pay a small fee for every file I convert and email to my Kindle. Maybe there is some advantage to emailing it to my Kindle that I don't know.
The main reason I email it to myself is that I hardly ever have the cable with me. In fact, the Kindle lasts so long on one charge, I generally have to hunt for the cable when I want to recharge it.
I have the wifi-only Kindle. From my understanding, documents received by email via wifi do not incur an extra charge from Amazon.
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R. Mansfield said:
I have the wifi-only Kindle
I have Kindle 2 with 3G so that is the difference. Thanks for your explanation.
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R. Mansfield said:
I have the wifi-only Kindle.
can you answer a question for me?
When using a wifi only kindle...where does the internet signal come from? Do you have to be near a hotspot like a router in your house, or a starbucks?
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Robert, I don't have the kindle but yes I remember reading precisely that. You have to be near a hotspot.Robert Pavich said:When using a wifi only kindle...where does the internet signal come from? Do you have to be near a hotspot like a router in your house, or a starbucks?
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Yes, just like a regular computer with wifi, you have to be in range of a wifi router to connect.
It works quite well. I honestly can't imagine a scenario where the lack of 3G coverage would make any difference. It wouldn't surprise me if eventually all Kindles will be wifi-only.
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That's good to know....I appreciate the info!
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Joan Korte said:
I pay a small fee for every file I convert and email to my Kindle.
You should have two email addresses for your kindle, one @kindle.com, one @free.kindle.com. The first one will send it via 3G immediately if you not connected to wi-fi, and charge you. The other will wait until you are in wi-fi range and send it free.
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Jonathan Pitts said:Joan Korte said:
I pay a small fee for every file I convert and email to my Kindle.
You should have two email addresses for your kindle, one @kindle.com, one @free.kindle.com. The first one will send it via 3G immediately if you not connected to wi-fi, and charge you. The other will wait until you are in wi-fi range and send it free.
Except Joan won't have wifi on her Kindle 2, I don't think.
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"Kindle's Personal Document Service (via Whispernet) allows you to e-mail approved files to your Kindle's e-mail address. Then, Amazon can transfer the file(s) wirelessly in a Kindle-compatible format to the device(s) for a fee. To avoid a fee, or if you're not in wireless range, you can send an e-mail to "name"@free.kindle.com and download the files via USB in a Kindle compatible format to the device(s)."
I'm quoting from Amazon Kindle's Transferring, Downloading, and Sending Files to Kindle page. So, that's why I use the usb connection-to avoid a fee. If I have it delivered to my Kindle via Whispernet, then I pay. I know the fee is miniscule, but, I still prefer to manage it myself. Thanks, gentleman, for your comments.
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I think the Kindle 3 is the first with WiFi. It's the only one I've had, but I think that is right.
I am loving the Kindle far more than I could have ever imagined. To read my monograph-type books on the Kindle would be the perfect situation. I have it figured out, but it is pretty clunky.
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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Ok, so you have all figured out how to read Logos books on your Kindles. Now, can anyone tell me how to read Kindle titles on my logos? Amazon has made kindle available in so many formats that it seems that they want people to buy and read books wherever they can get it, can this be integrated into Logos just like other links within Logos research tools?
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Matthew Helfrich said:
Ok, so you have all figured out how to read Logos books on your Kindles. Now, can anyone tell me how to read Kindle titles on my logos? Amazon has made kindle available in so many formats that it seems that they want people to buy and read books wherever they can get it, can this be integrated into Logos just like other links within Logos research tools?
Looking forward to Personal Book Builder (PBB), currently a missing feature planned for Logos 4.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I hope it come out soon!
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Bob Pritchett said:
Personally, I'd like us to have an "Export to Kindle" feature built right in.
Amen to that. The Export to Print is a good workaround for now, but a direct export to Kindle would be wonderful.
Getting a Kindle has opened up a new and enjoyable way to read books I've already purchased in Logos. It is also provides good incentive to buy more books in Logos.
Keep up the great work. And the more you can improve Kindle compatibility, the better.
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Bob,
The "purchase once, use anywhere" license is one reason why I spent over $5000 last year buying books from Logos.
Bill
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If LOGOS were to choose one e-reader to support, my preference would be Kindle. On the other hand, I think choosing a single e-reader to support is the wrong choice. I suspect there are some here who use the Barnes and Nobles' Nook, others use Border's KOBO - and there may be others as well. Right now I use a tablet PC to read all three (plus a couple of others) formats. I think that LOGOS would be wiser to choose a format to export that can be used with multiple e-reader formats.
Given the clambering that I hear for development of an Android LOGOS product, I think that is what LOGOS should have done for their smart phone product as well. They chose iOS, that satisfied some. But if they had chosen a format that worked well across multiple platforms, up front, they would not have to start over with the Android product and/or a Blackberry product and/or a Windows Phone product.
And as the cloud comes into play, this option becomes more and more viable. Developing for the cloud can truly lead to a "buy once, use anywhere" product.
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Floyd Johnson said:
Right now I use a tablet PC to read all three (plus a couple of others) formats.
Personally use an iPad for Logos, Kindle, and Nook (and few more readers). Holman Bible Atlas pictures and maps look great in color using Logos iOS application.
For Amazon Kindle, anticipating change to browser only reading on Android and iOS devices (buy once on Amazon's web site, then read anywhere with network connectivity - not know about future of offline reading). Both Apple and Google now enforcing in-app purchasing with 30 % of revenue going to Apple and Google (wonder if Google plans to share any in-app content purchase revenue with device manufacturer's).
With Logos display engine, mobile applications have potential to offer more - visual highlighting with personal notes (not yet available).
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Floyd Johnson said:
Right now I use a tablet PC to read all three (plus a couple of others) formats.
Personally use an iPad for Logos, Kindle, and Nook (and few more readers). Holman Bible Atlas pictures and maps look great in color using Logos iOS application.
For Amazon Kindle, anticipating change to browser only reading on Android and iOS devices (buy once on Amazon's web site, then read anywhere with network connectivity - not know about future of offline reading). Both Apple and Google now enforcing in-app purchasing with 30 % of revenue going to Apple and Google (wonder if Google plans to share any in-app content purchase revenue with device manufacturer's).
With Logos display engine, mobile applications have potential to offer more - visual highlighting with personal notes (not yet available).
Keep Smiling
Still a better deal for publishers than they ever received from Amazon on the Kindle. The Big question is will amazon comply and if so how will it be possible considering apple's in app store limitations of 3000 items max.
-Dan
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Stephen Jones said:Bob Pritchett said:
Personally, I'd like us to have an "Export to Kindle" feature built right in.
Amen to that. The Export to Print is a good workaround for now, but a direct export to Kindle would be wonderful.
Getting a Kindle has opened up a new and enjoyable way to read books I've already purchased in Logos. It is also provides good incentive to buy more books in Logos.
Keep up the great work. And the more you can improve Kindle compatibility, the better.
"Export to print" works, but I would not say it's a good workaround. You have to do it 100 pages at a time and merge those together somehow. I did it on one book, but I am going to have to REALLY want to read a title to do it again.
It would be great to have the 100 page limit taken away, and it would be better still to have the hypothetical "export to Kindle" feature.
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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+1 for the "export to Kindle" feature. That'd make Logos books more readable.
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I'm running the latest beta. Anyone else having a problem whereby they can only export up to 3 pages?
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Daniel Arnott said:
I'm running the latest beta. Anyone else having a problem whereby they can only export up to 3 pages?
Yelp. Melissa said in another thread that it will be fixed in the next Beta.
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I have been holding off on getting a Kindle simply because I cannot export directly to it from Logos. However, I have also read that it has a pdf reader...could you not copy them into a single word document and save as a pdf? It may not be as handy as a kindle formatted book, but it could allow more than 100 pages. any thoughts or experiences trying this?
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Matthew,
that is a perfectly fine way to go about it....it doesn't hurt anything....
I believe that the advantage would be that all the unique fonts that we use in Logos would display properly, which sometimes doesn't happen when creating an Ebook from a Logos export.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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The PDF reader on the Kindle isn't great. The issue is seeing the whole page with a readable font size. I think the key would be to use the right page size.
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so it could display better if the page size is shrunk down to a 4" X 5" dimension...is that what your saying?
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