New English Edition of Schürer's History

Many Logos packages include the old public domain edition of Emil Schürer's monumental study The History of the Jewish people in the age of Jesus Christ. The translation was from the second of four editions of the original German work. Between 1973 and 1983, T. & T. Clark published a new English edition in 4 volumes that features a new translation as well as substantial content updates, corrections, and addtions in the light of more recent archeology, historical research, and new documents such as the Dead Sea Scrolls. The new edition was editied by Gema Vermes (well know for his translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls), Fergus Millar, and Martin Godman.

ISN #s are 0567022420 , 0567022439, 0567022447, and567093537

Numerous studies of Second Temple Judiasm that I have trudged my way through in the last few years give high praise the new edition and put it at the top of the list of suggested resources for such studies. I finally plunked a subtantial hunk of money for a set of all four volumes of the new edtion (long out of print), but ?I would even more like to have it in Logos form.

Has anyone ever suggested/requested the new edition in Logos before? Did the new edition ever become a pre-pub candidate? If yes, does anyone recall how well/poorly it faired? If not, can we please get it nominated? I would expect interest could be quite high given that it (the new edition, that is) is no longer in print.

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Milford Charles Murray

Many Logos packages include the old public domain edition of Emil Schürer's monumental study The History of the Jewish people in the age of Jesus Christ. The translation was from the second of four editions of the original German work. Between 1973 and 1983, T. & T. Clark published a new English edition in 4 volumes that features a new translation as well as substantial content updates, corrections, and addtions in the light of more recent archeology, historical research, and new documents such as the Dead Sea Scrolls. The new edition was editied by Gema Vermes (well know for his translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls), Fergus Millar, and Martin Godman.

ISN #s are 0567022420 , 0567022439, 0567022447, and567093537

Numerous studies of Second Temple Judiasm that I have trudged my way through in the last few years give high praise the new edition and put it at the top of the list of suggested resources for such studies. I finally plunked a subtantial hunk of money for a set of all four volumes of the new edtion (long out of print), but ?I would even more like to have it in Logos form.

Has anyone ever suggested/requested the new edition in Logos before? Did the new edition ever become a pre-pub candidate? If yes, does anyone recall how well/poorly it faired? If not, can we please get it nominated? I would expect interest could be quite high given that it (the new edition, that is) is no longer in print.

Peace and Joy in the Lord, Randal! *smile*

Just came across your post for the first time, and am too tired here in Eastern Canada to peruse it any further; however, I think I have the T & T Clark ones you mention. But! Maybe these are the old ones????? Also, I only seem to have 3 volumes, not 4. (Unless Logos made 3 out of 4???) And, I don't know what the other two volumes with the same name are doing in my library????? Took a quick logos at Logos.com and can't seem to find it there.

Will try to take a look at it tomorrow or the next day and get back to you if I can figure anything out! *smile*

Blessings!

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/215835#Comment_215835

oooppsss! Forgot to attach my screen shot... *smile*

Randy Lane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/215846#Comment_215846

The screen shot is of the first English edition as it is currently available in Logos. That first English translation, which was published in 1885-1891 (by T. & T. Clark also coincidentally) was made using the second edtition of Schürer's work. The final (4th) German edition was published between 1901 and 1909. The "New" T. & T. Clark translation and revision I would like to see in Logos (which I provided ISBN #s for) used Schürer's final (4th) edition, and made many corrections and addtions based on more current research and archeology, as I explained in my post.

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/215869#Comment_215869

Thank you very much! *smile*

I do understand now and appreciate the "enlightenment".......................

Also, I agree with you about the hope that the most final and best edition be available to us.

Peace! And Joy in the Lord!

Hapax Legomena

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/215909#Comment_215909

I would love the new edition.

I am enrolled in an M.A. in Theology program at a Catholic seminary. To my mind, Logos too often offers these out-of-date editions. To those of us inclined to more scholarly research, such editions are almost worthless and sometimes potentially mis-leading. They do have some historical interest, to be sure. I note:

Butler's Lives of the Saints -- much newer revised edition available.

The Catholic Encyclopedia - much newer revised edition available.

The Catholic Theology and Dogma Collection -- all pre-Vatican II. Out of date. Some historical interest.

I've spent thousands on Logos resources. I won't waste my money on these. Please, Logos, I'll pay more for up-to-date works.

"Reggie Kelly"

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/215914#Comment_215914

My sentiments exactly. So many would love the new edition in Logos. Please inform me if you've had any success in learning more about this.

Nick Steffen

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Mike Binks

It's a long time since Randy's thread was bumped.

The literature underlying Wright's Christian Origin Series is seriously under represented in the Logos catalogue - the new edition of Schürer's History would go a long way to rectifying this.

HansK

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/699316#Comment_699316

It's a long time since Randy's thread was bumped.

The literature underlying Wright's Christian Origin Series is seriously under represented in the Logos catalogue - the new edition of Schürer's History would go a long way to rectifying this.

Agree

Randy Lane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/699343#Comment_699343

Another plus of having the newer translation/edition in Logos is proper tagging of academic works from the last 20 years or so that usually cite references in the newer edition. In some cases (see below link) it is either not possible to have a Logos tag to Schürer because the edition cited is not in Logos or a tag can be mistakenly created to the old edition.

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/101080.aspx

Chris Huminski

Here is my view on this:

LOGOS' edition of Schurer's monumental work is misleading.

Therefore, they're stealing from us when they TAKE MONEY FOR OUTDATED DATA.

That includes every dataset they take money for that is outdated.

Stealing is a violation of the 8th commandment of the Decalogue.

That means LOGOS investors are stealing from Christians.

What do you think YHWH will do to those thieves on Judgment Day for stealing from His people?