OT quotes/allusions in NT links?
Are there any versions of the Greek New Testament in Logos that have the NA-27 and/or UBS4 margin/footnote references for OT quotes or allusions in the NT so one can click on them and bring up the quoted OT passage in, e.g., the Lexham Hebrew-English Interlinear OT or the Lexham Greek-English Interlinear LXX?
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Eric,
No...there is no bible version that I know of...maybe someone else could tell you....
There is SOMETHING that you could do in the mean time....
Just go to a bible search and set the search criteria like the picture you see below....
by the way...this search took me 156 seconds and it found over 4,000 results in 436 verses.
Robert Pavich
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I can't get anything via such a search. I start typing in the Find field and the search begins and returns nothing.
There is no Logos Help for "OT Quotation."
I copied what your screenshot shows, but nothing happens. I then cut and pasted a Greek omicron in the Find field and hit Enter and it returned 114 results in 96 verses of the masculine singular nominative article that is part of an OT quote.
This can't be right. I don't have that dot that your longer arrow points to under "Search" and to the left of the "Find" indicator in the search field.
Nor do I have "Make Filter" bolded or the same choices of highlighter pens, colored underlined, or light colors.
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Eric Weiss said:
I don't have that dot that your longer arrow points to under "Search"
If you click on his screen shot it will enlarge and you will see that the dot is an asterisk.
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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Okay, it took forever, but I got 4661 results in 436 verses in 772.74 seconds (13 minutes).
That's a bingo!
Thanks!
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UBS4 got 4150 results in 366 verses in 780.58 seconds (13 minutes).
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I just realized to my dismay that all this does is list the NT verses that are OT quotes. It does not give the quoted OT book/chapter/verse in order to click on it and open it in the Hebrew or Old Greek OT. So I'll still need my hard-copy NA-27 opened up on my desk to look up what's being quoted.
(I don't know if this Search produced just actual quotes, or allusions or conjectures as well.)
So... Is there any resource out there that has the NA 27 margin notes and UBS4 footnotes on what OT/Apocrypha quote is being used so one can with a click go from the NT verse to the quoted Hebrew or Greek OT verse? I have Carson and Beale's Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament in Logos, but that's not a simple listing.
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I guess a temporary solution is to open The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge in a window as I'm reading the Greek NT. I don't know if it's worth spending $40 for The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge; maybe it was on the Christmas 50% off sale. But TSK doesn't reference the Apocrypha or differentiate between Hebrew vs. LXX OT quotes, and I doubt that NTSK does, either.
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There are some language scholars who chime in from time to time, perhaps they are busy with preparations for Sunday. I don't know what Logos base package you have but the USB Handbook series sometimes has this information. Here is a quote from their comments on Matthew 3:3.
The quotation of Isaiah 40:3, which Matthew has taken over from (Mark 1:2–3), differs from the quotations in chapters 2 and 3 in that the “to be fulfilled” is lacking. At this point Matthew clearly adopts the Septuagint, in which the phrase in the wilderness is connected with crying (TEV “shouting”) rather than with the imperative prepare, as in Hebrew.
There is, however, one important distinction between the Septuagint text and the quotation in Matthew and Mark: in place of make his (the Messiah’s) paths straight, the Septuagint follows the meaning of the Hebrew: “make a straight path for our God to travel.” In other words, both the Hebrew and the Septuagint consider “the Lord” to refer to God, while Matthew interprets “the Lord” as referring to the expected Messiah.
Newman, B. M., & Stine, P. C. (1992). A handbook on the Gospel of Matthew. UBS helps for translators; UBS handbook series (60). New York: United Bible Societies.
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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Jerry M said:
There are some language scholars who chime in from time to time, perhaps they are busy with preparations for Sunday. I don't know what Logos base package you have but the USB Handbook series sometimes has this information. Here is a quote from their comments on Matthew 3:3.
The quotation of Isaiah 40:3, which Matthew has taken over from (Mark 1:2–3), differs from the quotations in chapters 2 and 3 in that the “to be fulfilled” is lacking. At this point Matthew clearly adopts the Septuagint, in which the phrase in the wilderness is connected with crying (TEV “shouting”) rather than with the imperative prepare, as in Hebrew.
There is, however, one important distinction between the Septuagint text and the quotation in Matthew and Mark: in place of make his (the Messiah’s) paths straight, the Septuagint follows the meaning of the Hebrew: “make a straight path for our God to travel.” In other words, both the Hebrew and the Septuagint consider “the Lord” to refer to God, while Matthew interprets “the Lord” as referring to the expected Messiah.
Newman, B. M., & Stine, P. C. (1992). A handbook on the Gospel of Matthew. UBS helps for translators; UBS handbook series (60). New York: United Bible Societies.
I have Platinum, plus bunches of other stuff - the Lexham and Discourse volumes, Göttingen, etc. The above things help me understand how, e.g., Paul gets what he does in Romans from the texts he uses, but at this point I'm wanting an easy point-and-click way to open up BHS and the LXX to the quoted OT passage whenever I come across one in the Greek NT. Hovering over an OT quote in the Greek NT doesn't bring up a window with the OT reference to click on. [:(]
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Hi Eric
If I understand what you are trying to do I can think of a way of doing it which is a little messy but might give you a start!
Have an English translation (such as the ESV) which does have references to OT quotations set up in a linkset with your NA27.
When you get to a verse in the NA27 which has an OT quote, your ESV translation will be at the same point.
Also have your OT Bibles open (such as Lexham Interlinear and BHS). Have one of them set up with "Send Hyperlinks here" and have both of them in another linkset.
Clicking on the OT reference in the English translation will cause the one with the hyperlink set to move to that reference and will take the other one with it.
I appreciate it introduces an English translation as a "channel" but it is relatively simple to use.
Hope this helps
Graham
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Thanks!
That should work as long as the ESV is complete in its OT cross-references. I suspect it omits quotes from the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, though. [:)]
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Graham Criddle said:
Hi Eric
If I understand what you are trying to do I can think of a way of doing it which is a little messy but might give you a start!
Have an English translation (such as the ESV) which does have references to OT quotations set up in a linkset with your NA27.
When you get to a verse in the NA27 which has an OT quote, your ESV translation will be at the same point.
Also have your OT Bibles open (such as Lexham Interlinear and BHS). Have one of them set up with "Send Hyperlinks here" and have both of them in another linkset.
Clicking on the OT reference in the English translation will cause the one with the hyperlink set to move to that reference and will take the other one with it.
I appreciate it introduces an English translation as a "channel" but it is relatively simple to use.
Hope this helps
Graham
I opened the ESV, but it does not have OT quote links. Maybe that's only the ESV Study Bible. The NLT does, though.
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Eric Weiss said:
I opened the ESV, but it does not have OT quote links. Maybe that's only the ESV Study Bible. The NLT does, though.
Hi Eric
The ESV Bible has OT links but - as you noted - the ESV Study Bible does not in the same way (that has the notes for the ESV)
Graham
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The suggestion that I am about to give may or may not answer Eric's question. I had a similar question for my study of Psalms that maybe, just maybe, can be modified to reflect what he needs. No guarantees, but here goes: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/28018/207933.aspx#207933.
There are also three resources that come to mind at the moment that don't exactly answer his question but are good resources nonetheless:
Philipps, H. D. (2009). Old Testament Quotes in the New Testament. Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., that seems to be in various packages.
Jones, D. A. (2009). Old Testament Quotations and Allusions in the New Testament. Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., which seems to be in various packages.
Beale, G. K., & Carson, D. A. (2007). Commentary on the New Testament use of the Old Testament. Grand Rapids, MI; Nottingham, UK: Baker Academic; Apollos.
Enjoy
{charley}
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And there's another discussion over at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/28319.aspx.
running Logos Bible Software 6.0a: Collector's Edition on HP e9220y (AMD Phenom II X4 2.60GHz 8.00GB 64-bit Win 7 Pro SP1) & iPad (mini) apps.
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I've started a project relating to this topic. you might want to start something similar in your spare time. Check out my post here:
Prov. 15:23
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Eric, a list of all verses quoting OT is exactly what I need. What did you put in the search box to get the whole list? I can't do the search leaving the search box empty.
Thanks,
Gabe.
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Gabe Orea said:
Eric, a list of all verses quoting OT is exactly what I need. What did you put in the search box to get the whole list? I can't do the search leaving the search box empty.
Thanks,
Gabe.
This is so long ago, I don't remember. I'd have to read through the thread and try to figure out what is being said here. But it would be a couple weeks before I'd have time to do that.
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Gabe Orea said:
What did you put in the search box to get the whole list? I can't do the search leaving the search box empty.
You enter the wilcard * (asterisk) as per the screenshot http://community.logos.com/forums/p/28293/209519.aspx#209519 above.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:Gabe Orea said:
What did you put in the search box to get the whole list? I can't do the search leaving the search box empty.
You enter the wilcard * (asterisk) as per the screenshot http://community.logos.com/forums/p/28293/209519.aspx#209519 above.
Morph search for:
@B OR @C OR @D OR @I OR @J OR @N OR @P OR @R OR @T OR @V OR @X
is noticeably faster than * wildcard search:
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