Hebrew weak verbs searching - best method

Denilson Reis

Hi friends!

I am looking for an efficient way to search Hebrew weak verbs (principally the ones using gutturals on the first root). I don't mind the method I may need to go, as long it is efficient. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Deni.

George Somsel

Denilson Reis said:

Hi friends!

I am looking for an efficient way to search Hebrew weak verbs (principally the ones using gutturals on the first root). I don't mind the method I may need to go, as long it is efficient. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Deni.

I don't want to presume that I understand what you are looking for so I need to ask you whether what you are interested in doing is to locate instances of particular weak verbs in the text or whether you are looking for a list of all weak verbs at one time.  If the first, it is a simple matter to do a morphological search of BHS for a particular root by entering in the search box and selecting its lemma.  Because it is so simple I'm sure I must not have understood you.

Denilson Reis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/223252#Comment_223252

Hi George Thanks for taking time to reply. I will give you more details:

My searching range is: Genesis 

I want to be able to list all the Hebrew weak verbs  from category "Pe Alef" (or as someone would say: I-Alef) and be able to choose in my search if they would be perfect, imperfect, participle, imperatives, etc...

The same thing I would like to do later with the other verbs with different weakness categories. I am not having in mind the list by different stems because I am able to identify that.

I hope it works. Keep me informed if you need more details. But based on your request for clarifying, I just realized other possibilities I can be using in the future too. Thank you for any tentative of helping me.

 

Deni.
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David Knoll

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/223270#Comment_223270

I think that only by using wildcard searches in LDLS.

This can serve as an explanation:

http://blog.logos.com/archives/2008/06/how_can_i_find_all_geminate_verbs_in_the_ot.html

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/223270#Comment_223270

Denilson Reis said:

Hi George Thanks for taking time to reply. I will give you more details:

My searching range is: Genesis 

I want to be able to list all the Hebrew weak verbs  from category "Pe Alef" (or as someone would say: I-Alef) and be able to choose in my search if they would be perfect, imperfect, participle, imperatives, etc...

The same thing I would like to do later with the other verbs with different weakness categories. I am not having in mind the list by different stems because I am able to identify that.

I hope it works. Keep me informed if you need more details. But based on your request for clarifying, I just realized other possibilities I can be using in the future too. Thank you for any tentative of helping me.

 

Deni.

I would concur with David.  I'm not sure offhand what adjustments would be necessary to locate roots for verbs other than geminate.  perhaps I can come up with something, but I'll need to work on it.

Denilson Reis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/223280#Comment_223280

Sorry guys! thank you for the help so far, but it didn't work yet!

Hey David thanks for the link but I believe that line of codes was been used for the previous versions of logos. I tested on my logos 4 (Mac) and It didn't give me anything back!

 

David Knoll

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/223315#Comment_223315

Denilson Reis said:

Hey David thanks for the link but I believe that line of codes was been used for the previous versions of logos. I tested on my logos 4 (Mac) and It didn't give me anything back!

 

Yes as I said only in LDLS (=Logos 3)

The following lines should do the job...

פ"א

lemma:/[\u05D0][\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D0-\u05EA]/ @ WestMorph = v*

פ"נ

lemma:/[\u05E0][\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D0-\u05EA]/ @ WestMorph = v*

פו"י

lemma:/[\u05D9][\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D0-\u05EA]/ @ WestMorph = v*

ל"ו

lemma:/[\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D4]/ @ WestMorph = v*

כפולים

lemma:/.(.)\1/ @ WestMorph = v*

ע"ו

lemma:/[\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D5][\u05D0-\u05EA]/ @ WestMorph = v*

ע"י

lemma:/[\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D9][\u05D0-\u05EA]/ @ WestMorph = v*

EDIT:

In Logos 4 this seems to work:

פ"א

lemma:א*@v

ע"א

lemma:?א?@v

ל"א

lemma:*א@v

Denilson Reis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/223280#Comment_223280

Great reply David!

Thanks for the good work! It worked for me!

David Knoll

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/223378#Comment_223378

The previous Logos 3 (!) searches did not include attached suffixes. To include them use the following:

פ"א

lemma:/[\u05D0][\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D0-\u05EA]/ @ WestMorph [=v??????+S???E?J?C?V?]

פ"נ

lemma:/[\u05E0][\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D0-\u05EA]/ @ WestMorph [=v??????+S???E?J?C?V?]

פו"י

lemma:/[\u05D9][\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D0-\u05EA]/ @ WestMorph  [=v??????+S???E?J?C?V?]

ל"ו

lemma:/[\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D4]/ @ WestMorph [=v??????+S???E?J?C?V?]

כפולים

lemma:/.(.)\1/ @ WestMorph [=v??????+S???E?J?C?V?]

ע"ו

lemma:/[\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D5][\u05D0-\u05EA]/ @ WestMorph [=v??????+S???E?J?C?V?]

ע"י

lemma:/[\u05D0-\u05EA][\u05D9][\u05D0-\u05EA]/ @ WestMorph [=v??????+S???E?J?C?V?]

 

Brian Leathers

This search should work for gutturals in the first root of the word:

Rick Brannan

Denilson Reis said:

I am looking for an efficient way to search Hebrew weak verbs (principally the ones using gutturals on the first root).

Have you looked into the Hebrew Grammatical Constructions dataset? It specifically marks Weak Verbs in the Hebrew Bible.

Dataset Documentation here: https://ref.ly/logosres/cidbdochebgram?ref=GrammaticalConstructions.weakverb