How is this Computer for Logos? http://www.amazon.de/PC-QuadCore-PC-System-Logitech-Tastatur/dp/B004GKA5ZU/ref=pd_luc_sbs_00_01_t_lht5
Noticed several computers with Sandy Bridge processors that did not include a monitor. Sandy Bridge is 2nd Generation Quad Core i series - noticeably faster than 1st generation:
http://www.amazon.de/PC-QuadCore-PC-System-i7-2600-Graphics/dp/B004KYEVNE/ref=sr_1_66?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1298858702&sr=1-66 (if plan to upgrade RAM later, suggest 64 bit OS - also have option to install graphics card)
http://www.amazon.de/ANKERMANN-PC-Intel-i5-2500-Sandy-Bridge/dp/B004IHMEKU/ref=sr_1_37?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1298856687&sr=1-37
http://www.amazon.de/PC-QuadCore-PC-System-i5-2400-1000GBSATA/dp/B0049WYORU/ref=sr_1_70?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1298858702&sr=1-70
Also found a computer with noticeably faster first generation i7 processor => http://www.amazon.de/PC-QuadCore-PC-System-CardReader-Logitech/dp/B004GKDCDW/ref=sr_1_38?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1298856687&sr=1-38 - lacks operating system and office suite - graphics card is older, can be upgraded later.
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit OEM => http://www.amazon.de/Windows-Home-Premium-Bit-OEM/dp/B002NLEVSG/ref=pd_cp_ce_0_img (be your own OEM provider)
Libre Office and Open Office are free alternatives to Office 2010.
Keep Smiling [:)]
Looks pretty good. I suggest you read through the What's your benchmark? thread and look for other similar configurations and see how fast they perform. Note that some people are skeptical about the accuracy of the Novabench benchmarks, though.
If your system has Sandy Bridge, be sure that this problem has been addressed:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20030070-64.html
Tes,
I agree with Keep Smiling that a Sandy Bridge based system would be a better buy overall. The performance increase over the first generation i series processors is phenomenal and you will get more computer for your money. However, that said, do be sure that the system you buy contains the latest chipset that addresses the bug related to SATA ports.
Blessings,
Bob
Thank you for your comments, I think I have to wait a bit some time, since it is not as simple as I have thought.
Logos 4 is resource intensive on Mac & PC – benefits from fast processor, graphics, and disk along with adequate memory (e.g. newer hardware since Logos 4 being designed for use over 5 to 8 years). Currently Logos 4 is a 32 bit application that cannot directly use RAM above 4 GB; however, Windows can cache files in memory so 8 GB performance can be faster than 4 GB.
After purchase, some hardware can be upgraded: RAM, graphics card, and drives. Some items are hard to upgrade: e.g. 2nd generation Quad Core i series processors require new motherboard due to processor socket change.
Concerning SATA ports, sandy bridge chipset issue did not affect two ports - if only plan to have one optical drive and one hard drive in desktop computer, no problem.
If purchase monitor separate from computer, could consider a monitor with additional features (e.g. TV tuner or game console connection).
Comparing CPU's => http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
Original posted system - Quad Core i5-760 @ 2,80 GHz has benchmark of 4.529 (included monitor, Windows 7 Home Premium, and Office 2010 starter for eur 799,00)
My 1st generation Quad Core i7-870 @ 2,93 GHz has benchmark of 6.103 (about 35 % faster - did not include Office 2010 starter nor operating system)
Initial 2nd generation Quad Core i7-2600 @ 3,4 GHZ has benchmark of 8.942 (CPU almost twice as fast as original posted system - not include Office 2010 starter nor monitor, but eur 200,00 less than original system - could buy TFT monitor separately, optionally upgrade RAM or graphics):
http://www.amazon.de/PC-QuadCore-PC-System-i7-2600-Graphics/dp/B004KYEVNE/ref=sr_1_66?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1298858702&sr=1-66 (does have 64 bit Windows 7 Home Premium OS)
Second 2nd generation Quad Core i5-2500 @ 3,3 GHz has benchmark of 6.778 (50% faster than original, 24% slower than 2nd generation i7-2600)
Searching amazon.de for Intel Core i7-2600 found couple systems with no operating system and eur 549,00 for 32 bit Windows XP Professional system
http://www.amazon.de/PC-QuadCore-PC-System-Graphics-Professional/dp/B004L488KK/ref=sr_1_21?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1298954005&sr=1-21
Spending eur 50,00 more for 64 bit Windows 7 Home Premium provides future RAM upgrade option to 8 GB. Note: 32 bit Windows XP Professional offers 3,3 GB of RAM for programs to use; rest is reserved for hardware drivers. Depends on what's being done whether Windows XP Professional or Windows 7 Home Premium is faster.
Depends on what's being done whether Windows XP Professional or Windows 7 Home Premium is faster .
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Hi, brother, I prefer windwow 7 Home premium,64 bit. I prefer upgrades ,should be done ,not right now,but when ever it is necessary in the future, I would like to know , which one would be your best recommendation with regarde to the requirements and prespectives of logos? Plus with monitor or separate purchase? Perhaps this may help me to reconsider , I welcome any advice concerning this issue.
Depends on what's being done whether Windows XP Professional or Windows 7 Home Premium is faster . Hi, brother, I prefer windwow 7 Home premium,64 bit. I prefer upgrades ,should be done ,not right now,but when ever it is necessary in the future, I would like to know , which one would be your best recommendation with regarde to the requirements and prespectives of logos? Plus with monitor or separate purchase? Perhaps this may help me to reconsider , I welcome any advice concerning this issue.
Windows 7 Professional includes more features than Windows 7 Home Premium => http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare - including Windows XP mode (free download - can run Windows XP Professional in virtual machine)
Attractive is eur 599,00 for Quad Core i7-2600 PC with Windows 7 Home Premium
http://www.amazon.de/PC-QuadCore-PC-System-i7-2600-Graphics/dp/B004KYEVNE/ref=sr_1_66
OR eur 639,00 for Quad Core i7-2600 PC with Windows 7 Professional
http://www.amazon.de/PC-QuadCore-PC-System-Graphics-Professional/dp/B004L46UZU/ref=sr_1_7
plus LED TFT Monitor
eur 121,26 for 54,6 cm monitor with 1920x1080 resolution:
http://www.amazon.de/BenQ-G2222HDL-Zoll-Kontrastverh%C3%A4ltnis-Reaktionszeit/dp/B002UJ31A0/ref=sr_1_32
OR eur 175,00 for 61,0 cm monitor with 1920x1080 resolution (screen physically 11 % bigger - easier to read):
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002XNOJMC/ref=noref?
Both monitors come with a VGA cable that can connect to PC.
Searching for keyboard and mouse sets finds many results => http://www.amazon.de/b/ref=amb_link_83495893_4?ie=UTF8&node=430220031&pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=auto-sparkle&pf_rd_r=0EHD9J0ENTWNRNZ55P32&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=212227487&pf_rd_i=tastatur%20und%20maus%20schnurlos
Depends on plans for old computer, may be able to use keyboard and mouse with new one.
Both PC's have H67 Express Chipset - suggest calling CSL Computer GmbH http://www.amazon.de/gp/help/seller/at-a-glance.html?ie=UTF8&seller=A2TH2JMBZZVSOH to verify PC's available for purchase on Amazon have fixed chipset => http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2011/02/01/intel-sandy-bridge-chipset-flaw/1
Observation: PC with Windows 7 Professional plus larger monitor is eur 774,00 which is eur 25,00 less than original posted system - noted several keyboard and mouse sets are less than eur 25,00 so separate purchases about same as original for a configuration that should run Logos 4 noticeably faster and has some upgrade options.
http://www.amazon.de/PC-QuadCore-PC-System-i7-2600-Graphics/dp/B004KYEVNE/ref=sr_1_66 OR eur 639,00 for Quad Core i7-2600 PC with Windows 7 Professional
Dear Brother, I thank you for taking time to help me, I have followed your recommendartions and already ordered it ,
Here is the list of my orders:. 1"Logitech S150 Stereo-Lautsprecher OEM schwarz"
"TP-Link TL-WN350GD 54Mbit-WLAN Netzwerkkarte"Elektronik; EUR 10,91Personal Computers; EUR 13,41
"Logitech M90 Optische Maus schnurgebunden USB schwarz"Personal Computers; EUR 7,99
1"LG W2443T 61 cm (24 Zoll) Widescreen TFT Monitor DVI-D (Kontrastverhältnis 30.000:1, Reaktionszeit 2ms) schwarz"Personal Computers; EUR 159,00
"Logitech K200 Tastatur USB schnurgebunden schwarz OEM (deutsches Tastaturlayout, QWERTZ)"Personal Computers; EUR 13,72
1"PC - CSL Speed H4714 (Core i7) - QuadCore! PC-System mit Intel Core i7-2600 4x 3400 MHz, 500GB SATA, 4096MB DDR3, Intel HD Graphics 2000, DVD-RW, Sound, GigLAN, Windows 7 Home Premium"Personal Computers; EUR 599,00
Likewise Thank You - enjoyed researching computers and monitors - would like to hear your opinions of Logos performance on new computer.
I believe you will not be disappointed with this system. It will run circles around any previous generation's hardware.
I am curious about what this would system cost in dollars? I'm not up on the latest exchange rate.
1"PC - CSL Speed H4714 (Core i7) - QuadCore! PC-System mit Intel Core i7-2600 4x 3400 MHz, 500GB SATA, 4096MB DDR3, Intel HD Graphics 2000, DVD-RW, Sound, GigLAN, Windows 7 Home Premium"Personal Computers; EUR 599,00 Tes, I believe you will not be disappointed with this system. It will run circles around any previous generation's hardware. I am curious about what this would system cost in dollars? I'm not up on the latest exchange rate. Blessings, Bob
Hi,Bob the price:823.83 EUR=1,144.13 USD
Looks like this is the thread I should have been on earlier today. I still dont know my way around here too well. Anyway I too am looking at upgrading my system and here is an earlier post I put on an older thread today. I have already received some help but would appreciate any more I can get. I will go ahead and bring you up to date on where I am in this search by reposting some of what I have on the other one and some other things I have learned so far:
Earlier Post = I have a couple of questions. First not disputing your recomendation but I dont understand how I would benifit with two displays. I have heard others say this as well and I'm ignorant in this department and dont understand. could you explain how this helps?
I'm on the hunt for a new desktop PC so I logged on to the forums looking around for some advice. The system I have now is one of those off the shelf Acer models that seemed very powerful at the time; but the more I get into the study of God's Word with Logos the more I see I really need a new system. I made some adjustment that were recommended here on this forum and it did help but this is some heavy duty computing and I would like to get a lot more done with less time waiting on my PC to catch up. Logos 4 is a great program and the results are a blessing and well worth the cost of an upgrade. I have budgeted around $1500.00 besides it would be nice if all my other applications ran better anyway. I do some web site building also with yahoo "SiteBuilder" software [puts the whole site/sites on your machine so you can work on it off line] which really slows down my present PC. My contract with Yahoo is about to run out and I am thinking of switching to "squarespace" they are recommended by "twit". But you guys know Logos software and that is my main objective for purchasing a more powerful PC so I hope you can point me in the right direction for one that will be the best for running Logos 4.
here are the specs for my present desktop which is too slow:
Acer Aspire T690 4.00 GB RAM 64-bit operating system 2
Processor Genuine Intel(R) CPU 2140 @ 1.60GHz
Memory (RAM) 4.00 GB DDR2
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series 2431 MB 1024 MB 0 MB 1407 MB 8.812.0.0 1360x768 DirectX 10
Gaming graphics 2431 MB Total available graphics memory
Primary hard disk 437 GB 42 GB Free (144 GB Total) 126 GB Free (149 GB Total) 133 GB Free (144 GB Total)
Windows 7 Home Premium
Base score 4.0
23 inch ViewSonic LED 1080p Monitor DVI input but no HDMI
Any suggestions for a good Desktop PC for around $1500.00? And where to buy it?
I have been looking at Tiger Direct's Systemax Sytems that are built to order and at Dell customizing one for me. I like best the Dell Studio XPS 9100 and also the HP Pavilion Elite HPE-580t series. After looking at the processor benchmark site link given to me I was blown away by how much faster the Intel was over the AMD. So I will have to go with the i7 even if I have to go over budget. I think I will be glad I did a few years from now. (I think)...
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks and God Bless,
Dennis
PS:
Also wondering if anyone benifits from running Windows 7 Professional with Logos 4.... Maybe in XP mode? I know that Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :-) already said they did not but is there any other input on this? Seems like it must do something better? While I am upgrading I just dont want to have any regrets later about "well I wish I had...." You know...
Peace
Looks like this is the thread I should have been on earlier today.
Also have option of writing a new post (vis replying to couple other threads) - can chose to receive email when replies posted.
Tes started this forum thread with asking if a particular computer on German Amazon web site was a good purchase for Logos use - looked around web site and found something faster to consider close to original budget.
Thanks!
For $1500.00 you should be able to find a really nice system if you go with a latest generation Intel processor. Dell makes some very nice systems that fall well under your price. I have never bought a Dell but know many who have and they have never regreted it.
Bestbuy currently has a HP-Pavilion Elite Desktop/ AMD Phenom II Quad Core Processor -3.0GHz / 8 GB memory / and a 1 TB hard drive. It is a refurbished unit but for the price I think I am going to get it. Logos is bringing my current system to its knees, especially if I try to multi-task.
Now, it is my second day using my new computer,I can say I am glad,it works very good with Logos and othrs.So I would say thank you all ,who have helped me and motivated me to decide to purchase the right one.
