Seeing today's blog on Lent got me thinking...I hope Logos know's they don't need to give up Beta releases for Lent.
Singing the Beta Blues...
[:D] They must be holding back cause the next release comes with P.b.b... Wishful thinking [^]
They must be holding back cause the next release comes with P.b.b... Wishful thinking
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[its quarterly whinge time] shouldnt we let Logos Know...
1) We all want our missing feature which is cool, me included, hopefully PBB will be in this time, and document sharing, and handouts, note sorting options and the list sadly seemeth to goeth on and on and on.. even though it is shrinking PTL.
2) More important for me is that the functionality for released features should exceed or at least be equal with Logos3 sadly in several areas this equation is still not true [:(], I reinstalled L3 the other day beacuse for me the Sentence diagramming usability in v3 stil exceeds v4, its not just SD's on which I and many others have posted/requested changes to improve the software user experience, we hear and see nothing ( I have tried to be patient, but some niggles have been lingering almost since late alpha if not early beta.. reported ad-nauseam and I confess I have given up hope of fixes)
3) I have said before and sorry if I am annoying you by saying it agin "no one seems to be looking at the existing functionality in v3 as a benchmark, or minimum requirement, and improving the existing feature set from there, I know its probably not true, but they seem to be starting from a blank sheet of paper all over again."
Some of us don't observe lent, and find this advertising offensive.
Then ignore it
I don't observe lent; but I will give up my "Update now" command if they will release the next beta[:D]
I too do not observe lent, but I will gladly give up running the stable release....if a beta comes out.
I also do not observe lent but... what was the problem?
Logos employees and forum members have made it clear that this forum is not the place for expressing differing theological views.
Therefore, I find it presumptuous and inconsiderate of Logos to advertise using a ritual that is only held by some sects of Christianity. If we have to post a-denominationally why doesn't Logos?
Should we soon expect a blog special on nation "baptism for the dead" day?
For those who baptize for the dead, today we are offering special resources on Friday nation "baptism for the dead" day
Therefore, I find it presumptuous and inconsiderate of Logos to advertise using a ritual that is only held by some sects of Christianity. If we have to post a-denominationally why doesn't Logos? Should we soon expect a blog special on nation "baptism for the dead" day?
When Logos carries significant Mormon resources, I could see ads for "baptism for the dead day" if such a day exists. If you read the posts, you will find that most are not "a-denominational" - most presume an evangelical background when people request information rather than technical questions. I happily shop at a specialty grocer that advertises halal and kosher meats despite the fact I observe neither set of restrictions. I simply recognize that when the grocer offers Ramadan or Passover specials, I'm not the intended audience. Similarly, Logos is free to offer and advertise in ways that target only a subset of their customers. People are free to judge for themselves whether or not they are included in the target audience.
Logos did not put the theological discussions limitations on the old news groups. Unfortunately, in the forums a small number of posters went far beyond the bounds of decency and forced Logos to put rules in place. If everyone had acted with the manners that they would have used in one's living room, the rules would not have been needed. Logos has never debated theology or used ads to malign others. Forum posters have.
I find it presumptuous and inconsiderate of Logos
I assume that Logos can presume to do what they like with their Blog. They can also place demands on those of us who use their forums. The two are not unrelated. It's all theirs - not ours.
"It is a great and common sin through the Christian world, to take up Religion in a way of faction; and instead of a love and tender care of the Universal Church, to confine that love and respect to a party." -Richard Baxter The Practical Works of the Rev. Richard Baxter: Volume XIV
Sometimes the "Old Dead Guys" just seem to say it best! [;)]
In Him,
Jim
I don't observe sports, so March Madness offends me.
Lighten up folks...
Jerry
Clearly March Madness is not the same as the cause of Jesus Christ and His Gospel.
coram,
I know this is a hard thing to sort out at first but Logos is a BIBLE software company...not any particular denomination....they produce books and software to search those books.
I know this is somewhat hard to sort out because it took me a long time to get a grip on the idea that there are other books than just the ones that I'd approve of....
For the record...I'm a Reformed Protestant...a Calvinist in slang terms...and I'd LOVE ALL the LDS (Mormon) resources I could get my hands on!
Sit back a second and give some thought to what you are saying....does it make sense? Should Logos ONLY produce books that are acceptable to a "certain cross-section of Protestantism"?
Of course not.
Heck! I even kept silent when the Arminian resources go on sale! [:'(] and my favorite Calvinist authors languish in Community pricing land forever!
Personally as a Southern Baptist I am waiting on
Archeaological Evidence and the Last Supper: Proof Jesus used Welch's grape juice and saltine crackers [;)]
I don't believe that but I know some deacons who would probably treat it with as much authority as the bible itself.
Thanks for your reply Robert
I agree that Logos has the legal ability to sell and promote anything they want, no problem. I imagine however (and hope) that somewhere at the top of the ladder there is a man or men with some conviction for the cause of the Gospel. I would hope that this greater cause would override promoting resources just to sell resources.
For example, If I were a calvanist and had a book store, I would have sections in the soteriology section; Arminian, Reformed, Calvanistic Baptist, etc. I would NOT however have an Arminian day celebration or promotion. This would
1. give the impression that I as the store owner (and servant of Christ) am in agreement with arminian thought or
2. give the impression that promiting any books regarless of their validity is of higher concern than the truth of the gospel.
If people want to buy resources that support other views than their own, OK (even reformed people want to learn contending doctrines), but It would be against my conscience to actively promote that which I don't believe. Doesn't Logos have any of these convictions? In fact, I would rather hear Logos say "we are a Mormon Software company...We will sell all types of resources, but we will promote the Mormon view and make software enhancements that help mormons study the mormon scriptures in a better way, for we believe that Mormon doctrine and practices are closest to scriptural teaching" Then I can make a choice. Do I want to give money to a mormon company or purchase another line of software. I am sure however, that the Mormons would have enough conviction that they wouldn't promote books on the Trinity.
Coram....
As I tried to hard to state...they sell books and the software to search them.
If you'd like to say that we (as a protestant) shouldn't even ever buy, open, look at, nor study any documents of any other religion that we disagree with...
Then I disagree with you...
You might feel that logos is endorsing certain belief systems...but that's your personal opinion and you are welcome to it.
PS: Mormons have all KINDS of books on things like the trinity....all issues relating to their belief, however wrong I believe it to be...they publish on that subject also.
Robert, You may have missed the part
"If people want to buy resources that support other views than their own, OK (even reformed people want to learn contending doctrines)"
. . .but It would be against my conscience to actively promote that which I don't believe. Doesn't Logos have any of these convictions? In fact, I would rather hear Logos say "we are a Mormon Software company...We will sell all types of resources, . . .
Coram,
I hold the Scriptures as the only resource I need. But there are those of us in this world who deal with the culture and apologetics. Logos Bible software is a bible study program. Logos Bible Software Inc, has offered resources to a broad market of users for bible study. Many of these resources do not align with the Bible. But does that mean we should not arm ourselves with the knowledge available to us in other resources? How can we share the faith when we do not know the arguments? It is not easy to share the Gospel in the current cultures across the world. I for one am grateful I have access to other resources that do not necessarily align with my beliefs. I use resources to get a better grasp on the context of the world in any point in history. There are those in this world you try to share the faith with that is probably more educated and knowledgable than you. When they raise an issue it would be in your best interest to be able to respond to them. Most issues they will raise come from resources written throughout history and many are resources that do not "actively promote that which [you] don't believe." You do have a choice and it seems you have taken it.
Matt
my favorite Calvinist authors languish in Community pricing land forever!
Perhaps they are predestined to remain there [:D]
Come on folks, lighten up. This thread has been hijacked. Let it fade into oblivion.
I personally don't care for N T Wright, but I did not accuse Logos of promoting false doctrine when they put his books on sale.
Wondering what Logos has to say on the issue? Here is what my copy of Logos says:
Romans 14:3–12 (ESV)
3Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” 12So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Chris, Here is what my copy says...
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. ” (Jude 3, KJV 1900)
Chris, Here is what my copy says... “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. ” (Jude 3, KJV 1900)
Peace to you, Peter! *smile* And! Joy in the Lord Always!
I commend you for wanting to earnestly contend for the faith! *smile* Very noble!
Also, For Chosing CoramDeo as your name for these Forums.
Awesome, indeed!
I'm Lutheran so Sproul doesn't always turn me on; however, I think he's "right on" re. his definition of Coram Deo.
Permit me to quote:
Source: http://www.ligonier.org/blog/what-does-coram-deo-mean/
What Does “coram Deo” Mean?
from R.C. Sproul Feb 23, 2009 Category: Articles
I remember Mama standing in front of me, her hands poised on her hips, her eyes glaring with hot coals of fire and saying in stentorian tones, “Just what is the big idea, young man?”
Instinctively I knew my mother was not asking me an abstract question about theory. Her question was not a question at all—it was a thinly veiled accusation. Her words were easily translated to mean, “Why are you doing what you are doing?” She was challenging me to justify my behavior with a valid idea. I had none.
Recently a friend asked me in all earnestness the same question. He asked, “What’s the big idea of the Christian life?” He was interested in the overarching, ultimate goal of the Christian life.
To answer his question, I fell back on the theologian’s prerogative and gave him a Latin term. I said, “The big idea of the Christian life is coram Deo. Coram Deo captures the essence of the Christian life.”
This phrase literally refers to something that takes place in the presence of, or before the face of, God. To live coram Deo is to live one’s entire life in the presence of God, under the authority of God, to the glory of God.
To live in the presence of God is to understand that whatever we are doing and wherever we are doing it, we are acting under the gaze of God. God is omnipresent. There is no place so remote that we can escape His penetrating gaze.
To be aware of the presence of God is also to be acutely aware of His sovereignty. The uniform experience of the saints is to recognize that if God is God, then He is indeed sovereign. When Saul was confronted by the refulgent glory of the risen Christ on the road to Damascus, his immediate question was, “Who is it, Lord?” He wasn’t sure who was speaking to him, but he knew that whomever it was, was certainly sovereign over him.
Living under divine sovereignty involves more than a reluctant submission to sheer sovereignty that is motivated out of a fear of punishment. It involves recognizing that there is no higher goal than offering honor to God. Our lives are to be living sacrifices, oblations offered in a spirit of adoration and gratitude.
To live all of life coram Deo is to live a life of integrity. It is a life of wholeness that finds its unity and coherency in the majesty of God. A fragmented life is a life of disintegration. It is marked by inconsistency, disharmony, confusion, conflict, contradiction, and chaos.
The Christian who compartmentalizes his or her life into two sections of the religious and the nonreligious has failed to grasp the big idea. The big idea is that all of life is religious or none of life is religious. To divide life between the religious and the nonreligious is itself a sacrilege.
This means that if a person fulfills his or her vocation as a steelmaker, attorney, or homemaker coram Deo, then that person is acting every bit as religiously as a soul-winning evangelist who fulfills his vocation. It means that David was as religious when he obeyed God’s call to be a shepherd as he was when he was anointed with the special grace of kingship. It means that Jesus was every bit as religious when He worked in His father’s carpenter shop as He was in the Garden of Gethsemane.
Integrity is found where men and women live their lives in a pattern of consistency. It is a pattern that functions the same basic way in church and out of church. It is a life that is open before God. It is a life in which all that is done is done as to the Lord. It is a life lived by principle, not expediency; by humility before God, not defiance. It is a life lived under the tutelage of conscience that is held captive by the Word of God.
Coram Deo … before the face of God. That’s the big idea. Next to this idea our other goals and ambitions become mere trifles.
So, says Sproul; and so I agree.
So, then, Dear Brother. I urge you not to call people whom observe the Discipline of Lent a "sect"!
Also, please consider not attacking Logos for doing their very best for us Logos Bible Software users.
Thank you for your considerations! *smile* I'm sure you don't really want to come across judgementally.
For example, If I were a calvanist and had a book store, I would have sections in the soteriology section; Arminian, Reformed, Calvanistic Baptist, etc. I would NOT however have an Arminian day celebration or promotion. This would 1. give the impression that I as the store owner (and servant of Christ) am in agreement with arminian thought or 2. give the impression that promiting any books regarless of their validity is of higher concern than the truth of the gospel.
I see this very differently than you. If I were to run a bookstore I would want to reach the greatest possible number of customers with material that they recognized. I would then prominently display books that would cause them to re-think one or more of their assumptions while still being generally in their belief system. I'll never get them to change their minds / to open their eyes if I never get them into my store or into a conversation. My philosophy is always to meet people where they are not where you want them to be.
Milford - thanks for the Sproul ... definitely worth reading.
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