Poorly hyphenated words

I saw a word that I think was poorly hyphenated in justified Page view so I thought I would start a thread where others could post oddities that they see. I can't remember which resource it was but the word was "Well" hyphenated wel-l, with the second "L" appearing on the second line alone. It seemed weird to me.

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Rosie Perera

Hmm, they probably have a hyphenation rule that says you can break a word between double L's. That would be correct if the double L's were in a multi-syllable word like fel·low or syl·la·ble. But you can't hyphenate a single syllable word. And you can't split double L's in certain double syllable words like well·ness. Hyphenation rules are not trivial!

EDIT: It doesn't seem to be a great idea to have all the hyphenation oddities listed in a thread, since it will be easily lost and hard to find again. And there's no guarantee Logos will keep looking at it on into the future as more reports come in on it. Better to start a page of these on the wiki, along the same lines as the metadata correction proposals, books missing pagination and other indexes, etc.

George Somsel

Hmm, they probably have a hyphenation rule that says you can break a word between double L's. That would be correct if the double L's were in a multi-syllable word like fel·low or syl·la·ble. But you can't hyphenate a single syllable word. And you can't split double L's in certain double syllable words like well·ness. Hyphenation rules are not trivial!

That's what happens when you have non-native English speakers attempting to get the text transcribed in a hurry.

Rosie Perera

Hmm, they probably have a hyphenation rule that says you can break a word between double L's. That would be correct if the double L's were in a multi-syllable word like fel·low or syl·la·ble. But you can't hyphenate a single syllable word. And you can't split double L's in certain double syllable words like well·ness. Hyphenation rules are not trivial!

That's what happens when you have non-native English speakers attempting to get the text transcribed in a hurry.

I doubt it has anything to do with hurried text transcription. I bet they did not implement this in a standard way like many digital texts do, with invisible optional hyphen characters, but rather on the fly at text display time, using a set of hyphenation rules. Otherwise they would have had to go back through all of the old resources and add those optional hyphens, which they obviously did not do recently. And I doubt they've been putting them in all along "just in case." Furthermore, when I tried copying a word that had been hyphenated across the end of a line and pasting it into Word, I found that it did not have the invisible optional hyphen in it. You'd think that would have been copied as well if were actually there.

George Somsel

I doubt it has anything to do with hurried text transcription. I bet they did not implement this in a standard way like many digital texts do, with invisible optional hyphen characters, but rather on the fly at text display time, using a set of hyphenation rules. Otherwise they would have had to go back through all of the old resources and add those optional hyphens, which they obviously did not do recently. And I doubt they've been putting them in all along "just in case." Furthermore, when I tried copying a word that had been hyphenated across the end of a line and pasting it into Word, I found that it did not have the invisible optional hyphen in it. You'd think that would have been copied as well if were actually there.

It's fairly obvious that they don't use optional hyphens since I sometimes find hyphens in the middle of words which are in the middle of a line of text. They are hard-coded.

Melissa Snyder

I saw a word that I think was poorly hyphenated in justified Page view so I thought I would start a thread where others could post oddities that they see. I can't remember which resource it was but the word was "Well" hyphenated wel-l, with the second "L" appearing on the second line alone. It seemed weird to me.

Philip ~ This is a bug, as our hyphenation code requires at least three characters on either side of the hyphen break. That means the word “well” should never hyphenate. We'll try to find a repro, but if you happen to recall the steps to reproduce it, please let us know.

spitzerpl

Philip ~ This is a bug, as our hyphenation code requires at least three characters on either side of the hyphen break. That means the word “well” should never hyphenate. We'll try to find a repro, but if you happen to recall the steps to reproduce it, please let us know.

I'll keep an eye out for anytime I see it happen in the future.

Rosie Perera

our hyphenation code requires at least three characters on either side of the hyphen break.

That seems ex-
cessively rigorous.

SteveF

the word was "Well" hyphenated wel-l, with the second "L" appearing on the second line alone.

Philip ~ This is a bug, as our hyphenation code requires at least three characters on either side of the hyphen break

my example was similar to that of Phillip. I had "A Christmas Carol in "reading" view -- it was in two columns with the TOC showing. One of the words did the same thing at the end of the line, ie there was a hyphen and then (1) letter showed on the next line.

Thanks

George Somsel

the word was "Well" hyphenated wel-l, with the second "L" appearing on the second line alone.

Philip ~ This is a bug, as our hyphenation code requires at least three characters on either side of the hyphen break

my example was similar to that of Phillip. I had "A Christmas Carol in "reading" view -- it was in two columns with the TOC showing. One of the words did the same thing at the end of the line, ie there was a hyphen and then (1) letter showed on the next line.

Thanks

Would you call that a "wel-l hyphenated" word? [H]

Melissa Snyder

my example was similar to that of Phillip. I had "A Christmas Carol in "reading" view -- it was in two columns with the TOC showing. One of the words did the same thing at the end of the line, ie there was a hyphen and then (1) letter showed on the next line.

Thanks--I'll see if I can repro.

SteveF

Would you call that a "wel-l hyphenated" word?

Thank you, George !!!