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New to Logos 4: need hints, (and have some too!)

Pete Holzmann

I'm an old-school logos users from way back, now catching up with the 21st century

In rapid succession, I moved from the ancient Logos 2.0 Level 4 (plus extras) to Logos 3, then used the minimal crossgrade (no longer offered?) to upgrade to Logos 4, and then even learned to use the iPod and Biblia versions.

First, a few questions I've not resolved on Logos 4. Then a few hints for others who may be new to the software (things the developers might consider in terms of making the system easier to approach...)

Questions

1) There are a few basic items from older versions that I simply can't find anywhere. Any ideas? Two examples:

a) the Logos 3 "Alerts" that tell me about new and free books (I see things in the logos 3 alerts page that are NOT shown on the new Home page, no matter what I enable.)

b) The ability to see all of my available resources, both locked and unlocked. I can see the current library, but how do I know the full extent of what I own, and/or *could* own? It is quite difficult to guess whether I have what I should have.

2) I appear to be missing some but not all Reverse Interlinears. I am guessing that this relates to either a glitch in the upgrade process or (my own?) confusion about versions. To whit:

a) After much prayer and gnashing of teeth, I discovered that the KJV I was looking at, which was missing RI's, is the "Authorized Version"... and I also have the "real" KJV which contains RI's.

b) I can't see RI's in my NASB. Now I see (online and on IOS) that I have access to both NASB and NASB95 -- but the version of NASB in my Logos 4 on my PC is NASB (not 95?) Do I need to do something to synch/download/update so my Logos 4 has access to the same resources I have available elsewhere?

c) I see a notice that NIV NT now has RI. Mine doesn't. Perhaps similar to (b)... I now see there's NIV and NIV84 -- I have NIV84. Same question as (b)

Hints

These are some things that were not obvious at the outset. None of these are in any menus anywhere, and are not documented (at least in any obvious way.) This app appears to follow the "social learning" paradigm: you can't know how to use many of the most useful features unless/until you find someone else who can show you the secrets ... so, here are some of the secrets!

1) Want to know what has been updated in your library? There are hidden columns in your library list! Right click on a column header and you'll see a list of available columns. Drag the bottom right corner of the list to expand it. Drag column headers left/right to rearrange. Click on column headers to sort.

2) Want to know which of the Bibles in your library have the Reverse Interlinear feature available? There's a hidden list: open up a word search (Guides->Bible Word Study) on any word. In both the Hebrew and Greek panes, on the top right (if you mouse over the heading) you'll find a hidden "Settings" dropdown. Click on that and you will see a list of versions!

3) Want to force an update of your library resources? In the data entry field to the right of the "Tools" menu, type "update resources" and then click on the first entry that shows up below! [Question: is there a list anywhere of the commands available for this "command line" tool?]

Comment: To me, these are good examples of how Logos 4 DOES have many wonderful features... that are seriously hidden. In my opinion, having these hidden menus is nice, but NOT at the expense of eliminating the top menus. There is great value in having a menu "tree" where one can find all the features of an app.

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Jonathan Pitts

A few thoughts:

a) the Logos 3 "Alerts" that tell me about new and free books (I see things in the logos 3 alerts page that are NOT shown on the new Home page, no matter what I enable.)

I use Google Reader to look at the RSS feeds from the Logos Blog, the prepublication specials page of the website, the community pricing page and the new posts to this forum. Also make sure that you are signed up for all the relevant email lists.

b) The ability to see all of my available resources, both locked and unlocked. I can see the current library, but how do I know the full extent of what I own, and/or *could* own? It is quite difficult to guess whether I have what I should have.

Unless you have hidden any resources (in the settings menu), all of your books should be listed in the library. Nearly everything else that Logos offers can be downloaded, so the Logos website is the list of your several thousand "locked" books. You don't download them until you buy them.

2) I appear to be missing some but not all Reverse Interlinears. I am guessing that this relates to either a glitch in the upgrade process or (my own?) confusion about versions.

Interlinears are now incorporated into the English books. Click on the picture at the top left the resource pane to view the resource menu, then select the interlinear pane (I don't have the program with me and can't remember exactly what it is called). There is also a keyboard shortcut for this. There is also a menu at the top of the resources (used to be called Display, but that may have changed) that allows you to choose how the interlinear displays: either a grid at the bottom of the resource window, or similar to the interlinears in Logos 3.

I think it is the NIV84 new testament that has the interlinear at present. They plan to finish the old testament before moving it to the new NIV.

I'd better go and do some work now!

Mark Barnes

Hi Pete,

Welcome to Logos 4! If you're new, you may find this a helpful place to start: http://www.logos4training.com/videos/first-steps/

a) the Logos 3 "Alerts" that tell me about new and free books (I see things in the logos 3 alerts page that are NOT shown on the new Home page, no matter what I enable.)

It may be that the L3 alerts are now 'old news', which you would have had if you'd been using L4 several weeks ago. If not, perhaps you could give an example.

b) The ability to see all of my available resources, both locked and unlocked. I can see the current library, but how do I know the full extent of what I own, and/or *could* own? It is quite difficult to guess whether I have what I should have.

L4 only stores resources that you own. You *could* own everything - if you could afford it! Everything is downloadable, so the concept of unlocked resources accessible on local CD-ROMs or drives doesn't apply anymore.

a) After much prayer and gnashing of teeth, I discovered that the KJV I was looking at, which was missing RI's, is the "Authorized Version"... and I also have the "real" KJV which contains RI's.

Hide the old 'Authorized Version' (drag it from the library to the "Hidden Resources" section in Program Settings. It's an old resource that won't get updated.

b) I can't see RI's in my NASB. Now I see (online and on IOS) that I have access to both NASB and NASB95 -- but the version of NASB in my Logos 4 on my PC is NASB (not 95?) Do I need to do something to synch/download/update so my Logos 4 has access to the same resources I have available elsewhere?

RI is only available in NASB95, not in 1977. If you've tried update resources already, the easiest thing is copy the file from your other computer into a temporary folder. Then type scan c:\path\to\temp\folder (replace as appropriate, of course), and restart Logos.

c) I see a notice that NIV NT now has RI. Mine doesn't. Perhaps similar to (b)... I now see there's NIV and NIV84 -- I have NIV84. Same question as (b)

It comes with NIV84. Are you sure indexing has finished?

Question: is there a list anywhere of the commands available for this "command line" tool?

In the help (press F1), then search for command.

Comment: To me, these are good examples of how Logos 4 DOES have many wonderful features... that are seriously hidden. In my opinion, having these hidden menus is nice, but NOT at the expense of eliminating the top menus. There is great value in having a menu "tree" where one can find all the features of an app.

In L4, you need to know your way around the three main menus, plus the right-click menu. I can't emphasis how important the right-click menu is. It's explained in the video above, and here: http://wiki.logos.com/Right_Click_Menu

Rosie Perera

First let me say I'm impressed with how much you've been able to learn about L4 on your own without any help yet! Even offering tips to other newbies. That's wonderful!

the minimal crossgrade (no longer offered?)

Yes, it's still offered (http://www.logos.com/minimalcrossgrade) but I noticed it doesn't come up in a search on the Logos products page. I always forget what it's URL is but I can always find it again by going to http://www.logos.com/4ways (easier to type anyway) and there's a link to it from there.

the Logos 3 "Alerts" that tell me about new and free books

To find all the new books, you can go to the Logos website, click the Products tab, and sort by Newest.

To find all the free books, go to the same place and sort by Price (lowest first).

There's also a list of all known free books (which includes some offered by other vendors besides Logos) here: http://wiki.logos.com/Free_Logos_Books

The ability to see all of my available resources, both locked and unlocked. I can see the current library, but how do I know the full extent of what I own, and/or *could* own? It is quite difficult to guess whether I have what I should have.

Logos 4 doesn't work on the same model as Logos 3, where you could have resources on your hard disk or a CD which were locked. In Logos 4, you only get (downloaded) resources that you've purchased and are thus unlocked. There is presently no way from within the software to find a list of what books you could own that you don't. The only thing you'll sometimes stumble across is a link within one of your existing resources to a resource you don't have which, when you click on it will give you a message to the effect of "you don't have this resource but you could if you go to logos.com..."; it's a pretty lame message because it doesn't take you right to the web page where you could purchase that resource (there's no longer any purchasing/unlocking from right within Logos).

So the way to find out what resources you don't own but could is to browse the Logos website. If you are logged in, the "Add to Cart" button will be gray for items you already own, and orange for items you don't yet own. They still have some more work to finish the new website; one of the features they need to add is a quick way to filter out the products you own already and show only the ones you don't. But you can append &unlocked=no to the URL on any page of the Products catalogue and that will do the trick. Here's a link that should show you everything you don't have yet: http://www.logos.com/products/search?sort=title&pageSize=15&unlocked=no. There are also a few cases where their algorithm for determining whether you own something already or not isn't working right (for titles that came within a bundle usually) and they're working out that kink. So it's still a good idea to double check in your Library first before buying something. However Logos Sales is good about giving you a refund if you accidentally bought again something that you had already.

2) I appear to be missing some but not all Reverse Interlinears. I am guessing that this relates to either a glitch in the upgrade process or (my own?) confusion about versions. To whit:

a) After much prayer and gnashing of teeth, I discovered that the KJV I was looking at, which was missing RI's, is the "Authorized Version"... and I also have the "real" KJV which contains RI's.

b) I can't see RI's in my NASB. Now I see (online and on IOS) that I have access to both NASB and NASB95 -- but the version of NASB in my Logos 4 on my PC is NASB (not 95?) Do I need to do something to synch/download/update so my Logos 4 has access to the same resources I have available elsewhere?

c) I see a notice that NIV NT now has RI. Mine doesn't. Perhaps similar to (b)... I now see there's NIV and NIV84 -- I have NIV84. Same question as (b)

Not all Bibles that Logos produces have RI's. In particular, KJV 1900 does have it, but the AV doesn't. The old NASB doesn't but NASB95 does. NIV84 should have RI (for NT only).

I''m not sure why the NASB95 didn't download for you when you installed L4. Did you have it in L3, and do you still have access to the folder where your L3 resources were stored? If so, you can run the scan command (in the command bar) using that folder: scan c:\L3_resource_folder_path

If you don't still have your L3 resources, and update resources doesn't download it for you, then you can download it directly from ftp://ftp.logos.com/LbxBooks/nasb95.lbxlls, save it to a folder on your hard disk, and then run the scan command on that folder.

Note that you have to restart Logos after running scan for it to take effect.

2) Want to know which of the Bibles in your library have the Reverse Interlinear feature available? There's a hidden list: open up a word search (Guides->Bible Word Study) on any word. In both the Hebrew and Greek panes, on the top right (if you mouse over the heading) you'll find a hidden "Settings" dropdown. Click on that and you will see a list of versions!

Hey, very cool trick! Thanks! I've been keeping a Collection of my RI's because I'm always forgetting what they are. This tip ought to be added to the Logos Wiki under http://wiki.logos.com/Hints_and_Tips or http://wiki.logos.com/Tips_from_the_Forum. The other tips you've given are pretty well documented all over the wiki.

Question: is there a list anywhere of the commands available for this "command line" tool?

Yes: http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Commands

Explore the wiki some more. You'll learn a lot. And have you seen the Logos 4 Unofficial Tutorial Videos by Mark Barnes? Those are excellent!

spitzerpl

here's some hints you probably found, but didn't mention. Someone else new looking for hints might find them useful.

-Hover over a verse or reference and hit F7. This will show the verse(s) in your top prioritized translations.

-F11 is beautiful for extensive reading. It gets everything else out of the way.

-Spend some time learning the right click menu. As mentioned above there is a wealth of resources within that menu.

-The Wiki is your friend. http://wiki.logos.com/

-In the forums you will probably see some of us begging for a fresh beta. Please ignore us. Its best for your health.

-double click in the space between the + sign and the "X" along the tabs of a pane. This will open up your next preferred translation, commentary, list of files you can start, etc. depending on what you are currently viewing.

-If you have a passage guide open and want to read the passage click on the reference at the top of the guide. It doesn't look like a hyperlink, but it is.

-Not sure what you are in the mood to read? Type FSD (Facilitate Serendipitous Discovery) in the command line. It can be fun seeing what comes up.

-Make sure to right click on tabs (Library Tab, Search tab, or resource tab) to see what options are available.

-If you are studing in the Bible and come to the name of a person, right click their name, select "Person" on the right side and then "Biblical People" on the upper left. I love this feature. Works with places too.

- You can make individual collections of your favorite authors (e.g. a collection with a rule of author:MacArthur and another collection of author:Piper) Then combine all your favorite authors. Create a collection called "Favorite Authors", click on the "Open" menu, then drag and drop each of the author collections you created to the "add these resources" section of your "Favorite Authors" collection.

Jonathan Pitts

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/244105#Comment_244105

-double click in the space between the + sign and the "X" along the tabs of a pane. This will open up your next preferred translation, commentary, list of files you can start, etc. depending on what you are currently viewing.

This is a new one for me. Very useful. Now I need to do a bit more prioritzing so that the right book appears.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/244328#Comment_244328

-double click in the space between the + sign and the "X" along the tabs of a pane. This will open up your next preferred translation, commentary, list of files you can start, etc. depending on what you are currently viewing.

This is a new one for me. Very useful. Now I need to do a bit more prioritzing so that the right book appears.

Must be nice to be on PC and have access to all these tiny things that would make life so much easier...

Pete Holzmann

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/244105#Comment_244105

F11 - THANK YOU!!!

I must have accidentally hit that while moving my laptop... I loved the mode but couldn't figure out how to exist! (Doing it on purpose, or at least while watching the screen, is more obvious

The right-click hint is of course very useful. And it looks like the wiki is huge.

My hint about mouse-over is the kind of thing that could easily frustrate: it is pretty subtle to know about something hidden behind a menu that only appears if you put your mouse in the correct place Even in the F1 help, it says "click on Settings to..." but doesn't tell you how to find the Settings menu.

On we go...

I'll test the NASB solution above asap...

Thanks muchly, everybody!

Pete Holzmann

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/244338#Comment_244338

oops... couldn't figure out how to exit

Obviously, I exist by the grace of God[:D]

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/244339#Comment_244339

oops... couldn't figure out how to exit

Obviously, I exist by the grace of God

Pete! *smile* Have you tried the various "column" choices -- especially for full screen?

also the size of the font can be changed from resource to resources, as well as "overall"

Phil 4.7

nicky crane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/244375#Comment_244375

Philip,

MANY thanks for those hints, some of which arre new to me![:D][B][D][^]

Ron Corbett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/244439#Comment_244439

Phillip,

Thanks for the F7 tip. I had missed that. It will be very useful.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/244333#Comment_244333

-double click in the space between the + sign and the "X" along the tabs of a pane. This will open up your next preferred translation, commentary, list of files you can start, etc. depending on what you are currently viewing.

This is a new one for me. Very useful. Now I need to do a bit more prioritzing so that the right book appears.

Must be nice to be on PC and have access to all these tiny things that would make life so much easier...

Wonder about clicking "+" sign next to tabs ? (Next Tab depends on active tab type: Bible, Commentary, etc)

On PC, can use middle mouse button to close a tab quickly.

Keep Smiling [:)]