When trying to redownload the Logos Bible Software app for my ipod touch, I noticed a new app for http://www.logosbiblestudy.org. I take it, that it's nothing to do with our Logos?!!!!!! How confusing!
Interesting, I wonder if our Logos may have something to say about the use of that name, it's certainly very confusing to customers, and in the same business after all... do they know about this?
It's like starting a new software company Microsoft Solutions..... I doubt that would last very long...
Peace and Joy to you this Lord's Day! *smile*
I think it could be quite confusing for those who aren't really acquainted with Logos Bible Software.
Especially when it comes to an "app" for a mobile device.....
This screen shot could almost have been made by "our" Logos, eh?
Interesting, I wonder if our Logos may have something to say about the use of that name, it's certainly very confusing to customers, and in the same business after all... do they know about this? It's like starting a new software company Microsoft Solutions..... I doubt that would last very long...
It depends whether or not Logos has trademarked the word "Logos"
The interesting part comes in when you realize that "Logos Bible Software" was the name of QuickVerse in 1988...
(although I'm sure that the title was legally obtained by current owner)
I think it could be quite confusing...
One would almost think that it is "deception by design"
Although I would imagine that it is possible that the owner has never heard of Logos Bible Software...
So apparently "Logos Bible Study" is a program of verse by verse study of the Bible, from a Roman Catholic perspective, with heavy ecumenical leanings.
It is part of the "Logos Educational Corporation", who's president and CEO is Dr. Bill Creasy
I think it could be quite confusing... One would almost think that it is "deception by design"
That, then, Paul, would make it unethical in the Christian Realm, eh?
Blessings!
I think it could be quite confusing... One would almost think that it is "deception by design" That, then, Paul, would make it unethical in the Christian Realm, eh? Blessings!
True, true. But then there is always the "half full" way of looking at it:
"It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,"
Philippians 1:15–18
I think it could be quite confusing... One would almost think that it is "deception by design" That, then, Paul, would make it unethical in the Christian Realm, eh? Blessings! True, true. But then there is always the "half full" way of looking at it: "It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice," Philippians 1:15–18
You're right, Paul! Indeed! I think that's the way I'd like to look at it also!
Thanks for your post!
*smile*
I am not an lawyer, but I doubt if you can copywright a word like "Logos". I am sure the name "Logos Bible Software" is copy protected, but that would not prohibit someone from using the Greed word - I mean Greek word - for "Word". Also, there is an English word "logos" that has nothing to do with Greek.
Just as you could not copywright the word "Methodist" or "Baptist", but you can copywright the name "United Methodist Church".
I agree it is deceptive, and in business this sort of thing happens everyday. Companies name and package their products to look like another more successful company, and deceive people into buying their product.
Unethical, without a doubt. Though, I suppose it is barely possible that they are unaware of Logos Bible Software.
I am not an lawyer, but I doubt if you can copywright a word like "Logos".
It is possible:
To name a few...
Corporate names, corporately colored names, trade names, marks, trademarks, and service marks are private property of someone. Logos (ours) can pursue this if they have established some legal rights; there are even common law rights to names. Those laws exist exactly for this purpose, to avoid confusion by customers. Hence my new company name Apple Smartphones.... (lawyers please line up to the right...)
Hence my new company name Apple Smartphones.... (lawyers please line up to the right...)
Hey I want one of your new EyeFones!
Everything so far notwithstanding, I'm thinking that with the popularity of the Logos iPhone™ app, all Bob would have to do is call Apple™, and they (Apple™) would most likely make the other guy change some things.
For if there is any example of absolute truth in this world, it's that Apple™ has total control over what is offered in the iTunes Store™.
I have to admit that my first reaction was that someone was trying to cash in on our Logos - and I didn't like it because I usually try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but this does seem a little pointed - but perhaps it's just me!
To us normal folk it would seem impossible but to the lawyer types anything goes if you scream loud enough.
UPS claims a trademark to the color brown. Bill Gates has claimed rights to the word "windows."
from a Roman Catholic perspective,
What am I missing - I don't see anything Catholic about the site?
I agree it is deceptive, and in business this sort of thing happens everyday.
I'd give the guy a break - he's an academic who probably didn't know of Logos Software. Unfortunate certainly, unethical only if done with forethought.
I had hoped maybe Logos Bible Software showed up in the affiliates section, but no dice. (or should I say, no lots?)
I agree it is deceptive, and in business this sort of thing happens everyday. I'd give the guy a break - he's an academic who probably didn't know of Logos Software. Unfortunate certainly, unethical only if done with forethought.
I agree. There are several companies that use the word λόγου (logos) as part of their name.
I also want to mention one assumption that everyone is making: Logos Bible Software was a company before Logos Bible Study. The fine folks who use Logos Bible Study could be saying the same thing about Logos Bible Software that some of us are saying Logos Bible Study.
Good point. The Holiday Inn hotel chain sued a little hotel for trademark infringement only to find out the little hotel had the name first. The big hotel chain had the expense of changing all it's signage, stationary & branded merchandise after the little guy answered the lawsuit. [:#]
Now they are known as "Holiday Inns of America"
from a Roman Catholic perspective, What am I missing - I don't see anything Catholic about the site?
The perspective comes from the fact that its founder, president, and CEO is Roman Catholic.
Thanks - I wasn't aware of that.
We're aware of this other use of Logos; it's a name used by various organizations unrelated to Logos Bible Software; unfortunately the creation of an app for what was an audio Bible series makes it more confusing.
We're thinking of renaming ourselves to something which A) is unique to us, and is a short, available domain name.
Those constraints leave us with:
lkjw2.com
What do you think? :-)
We're aware of this other use of Logos; it's a name used by various organizations unrelated to Logos Bible Software; unfortunately the creation of an app for what was an audio Bible series makes it more confusing. We're thinking of renaming ourselves to something which A) is unique to us, and is a short, available domain name. Those constraints leave us with: lkjw2.com What do you think? :-)
Hee hee! Good to see the CEO has a sense of humor too. [:)]
logosbob.com [:D]
logosbob.com
No, no. That would be doomed to failure, if Microsoft's experiment is any indicator.
Now the truth comes out. [6]
lkjw2.com = LiKe Jesus Would Two? [:)]
Not meant to be disrespectful - I do love Jesus!
Oh, thought it was an "I"
I Know Jesus Will 2(Too) Come! ??
lkjw2.com Oh, thought it was an "I" I Know Jesus Will 2(Too) Come! ??
It's an L. I copied and pasted into Word and then converted to upper-case to check it out.
Isn't lkjw2.com for Local Kingdom of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Thanks for the memories, Rosie!
Kiernon and I started working on Logos Bible Software 20 years ago this month, as a side project when we worked at Microsoft. At the time I was working for Karen Fries, who was the program manager for Microsoft Publisher. Karen put the "friendly cursors" in Publisher (the standard move cursor -- a four headed arrow -- got a literal moving truck added to it -- ugh!). Then I moved to Multimedia Works (in the same group) and Karen went on to Bob.
http://technologizer.com/2010/03/29/microsoft-bob/
In late 1991, around the time Logos 1.0 was finished, I got an office mate (Liz), who was working with Karen (just a few doors down) on what would become Bob. So, even though it didn't ship for quite some time, I want to lay claim to being one of the first Bob critics. Because I, being much more geeky and technical then than now, thought it was insane.
It's not at all true that the product was named Bob to spite me.
:-)
Lest you think I'm revising history in my claim as a member of the "Bob-Will-Fail" Prophets Club, I offer the Publisher 1.0 options dialog box: It allowed you to turn off friendly cursors, which I'm pretty sure was the result of my incessant badgering of poor Karen. I didn't value "friendly" over "technically correct." Alas, I did not learn all that I should have from Karen; it took till 2001 for us to release a marginally "friendly" Logos, and till Logos 4 for me to de-geekify enough to approve something really friendly, and consequently much better selling...sorry about the delay!
Microsoft Bob may have been a bridge too far, but I now appreciate that Karen and team were pushing the envelope and really trying to advocate for the user in a world that was designed for engineers.
Wow, thank you for the memories, Bob. I had no idea they named it after you... [;)]
And I enjoyed reading The Bob Chronicles.
I guess some things never change: "But Bob’s pricetag wasn’t as significant an issue as hardware requirements. The program demanded a PC with a 486 CPU, 30MB of free disk space, and what the Puget Sound Business Journal called “a huge amount of memory”–8MB, or twice the typical amount that circa-1995 home PCs sported. Newbies would only be able to experience Bob if they owned unusually potent computers." Remind you of something else? [:)]
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