What do you think of web forums instead of newsgroups?
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Richard,
Richard DeRuiter said:Wolfgang,
You can edit your posts by clicking the "More" button next to the "Reply" button at the top of the page. I don't see an option to delete.
Hmn ... I did not see that under "More" on my post from yesterday ... but do see it now with the post from today ...strange. Indeed, I do not see a "delete" either ...
I would have thought the "edit" and "delete" would be right next to "reply" on one's own posts ...
In addition, that need for horizontal scroll is very irritating ... and I haven't even set any fonts to large etc. It looks like this forum requires a 21" monitor and 1900x1600 resolution ? [*-)]
Well ...yet another forum software to get used to :-(
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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Hi Wolfgang,
What resolution are you running at on your monitor ? I only get a horizontal scroll if I drop to 800x600 on a 19inch monitor. Anything greater and the horizontal scroll goes away.... even if I select largest for text size from view menu.
Wolfgang Schneider said:Richard,
Richard DeRuiter said:Wolfgang,
You can edit your posts by clicking the "More" button next to the "Reply" button at the top of the page. I don't see an option to delete.
Hmn ... I did not see that under "More" on my post from yesterday ... but do see it now with the post from today ...strange. Indeed, I do not see a "delete" either ...
I would have thought the "edit" and "delete" would be right next to "reply" on one's own posts ...
In addition, that need for horizontal scroll is very irritating ... and I haven't even set any fonts to large etc. It looks like this forum requires a 21" monitor and 1900x1600 resolution ?
Well ...yet another forum software to get used to :-(
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Rich,
I can see an option to delete under "More" now, but haven't look for it previously so not sure if someone has fiicked the switch to turn this option on recently or it has always been there.
Richard DeRuiter said:Wolfgang,
You can edit your posts by clicking the "More" button next to the "Reply" button at the top of the page. I don't see an option to delete.
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Personally, I greatly prefer the NGs because they're much easier to see what you want to see quickly and skip the others, and it allows me to prefetch and mass download attachments on the files newsgroup (I haven't tried downloading here yet).
However, I think forums probably are the way to go into the future for most users, since they're more familiar and easier to figure out to typical web/pc users. Maybe you can keep some of the more technical NGs going (automation, files, etc) while moving things like suggestions primarily to the forums?
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Hi Andrew
AndrewMckenzie said:Hi Wolfgang,
What resolution are you running at on your monitor ? I only get a horizontal scroll if I drop to 800x600 on a 19inch monitor. Anything greater and the horizontal scroll goes away.... even if I select largest for text size from view menu.
Hmn .... I am using FireFox and have browser window set to 1024 x 768 pixels, and with my other normal settings, I have jhorizontal scrolling while composing this reply, I have horizontal scrolling with my normal browser font settings. When I switch fonts to smaller, the horizontal scrolls disappear ...
Overall, this particular forum software is "somethign to get used to" ...[:@] whereas I have not had such trouble with forums based on phpBB3 or other forum platforms used by a number of christian websites
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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I have actively followed newsgroups for four years. There are both advantages and disadvantages to newsgroups/forums. I had Thunderbird set to only show unread messages. I normally only looked at new messages and only rarely went back to see previous messages. Newsgroups are easy to see what is new and what you haven't read. The disadvantage is that everything needed to be downloaded to the computer.
There were at a given time about 20 who were actively posting and another 50 who toasted sporadically. Only a few of those who were posting four years ago are still posting. The group was fluid yet developed a common bond relationship. Many will miss this relationship.
It was also easy to be selective on what one read on a topic. When there were 50-60 posts on a topic, I soon learned who would make the most significant comments. I had Thunderbird set to mark all messages as read, when I exited the program. I read less than half of the messages normally. It was efficient way for an active reader to follow every thread.
Forums are web based and likely will attract more followers, especially the occasional reader. They will look for the topic that interests them. It will be big advantage to those who want to search out a particular topic. But when you read a thread you end up needing to read every message in that thread. For example, I read every post written by Bob Pritchett. Bob is an effective communicator and it was good way to know the opinion of the president. The home page only shows the last one to post. It doesn't show the sporadic post written by Bob, unless he was the last one to post. His posts always generate replies and so he is not likely to be listed as the last one who posted.
Hopefully web groups will attract less spam. That happened from time to time on the newsgroups.
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Don't get that with any of my posts - yet!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Now I do!
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I can't edit posts prior to these two, nor delete my previous post!
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Nor delete this one anymore - presumably because it was edited!?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I can't help but notice that there is no way to attach files to posts nor any other method for sharing files on this site. Now there's a huge chunk of very often used functionality gone when the newsgroups disappear.
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Look for the icon called "Insert Media", close to the smiley!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I much prefer the newsgroups. I find following threads in the web forum impossible. I've used web forums on other sites, I still prefer newsgroups.
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Well over 60 responses in this thread already - significantly more difficult than in newsgroups to get to those recently posted that I have not looked at yet .........
Forums are OK for very low volume groups, but not so well suited for this type of question and responses.....
DaveJ
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I like reading the newsgroups. But since I switched to a free web-based e-mail account (using wireless to connect to my son's ISP) I haven't been able to figure out how to post to a newsgroup. I used to connect through AOL and they dropped the ability to read newsgroups years ago.
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I prefer newsgroups because of the ability to group messages into a thread.
Having said that I can live with a web forum.
I would prefer one that didn't show the entire post by default - I prefer to look at subjects and then view those i'm interested in.
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Hello Dave
Dave Hooton said:See what happens with a zip file.
seems like normal behavior was invoked ... a click on the link opened the "open / save file" dialogue to let me save and or open the file locally
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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Prefer: Newsgroups
Pros of Forums:
1. Mobility - I am often on the road using different computers. The forums will allow access from any computer. (This is possible with the newsgroups, but you end up downloaded all messages so it isn't a pracical possibility.)
2. Replies to email - It's nice that replies to my posts of interest are sent to my email
Cons of Forums:
1. Slow - My internet speed is fast, but the international internet connection from Asia slows down some sites and the Logos site always seems to be affected more than others. It takes about 15-30 seconds to load a page to read/write. This will greatly reduce my desire to check the forums.
2. Hard to view at a glance - It's hard to look at a glance and see what has happened since my last visit. This is partially due to my slow internet speed. I am used to scrolling through old topics and clicking on a select few (often from people I know tend to have meaningful comments). With the forums I need to open each separate topic.
3. Need to logon - Related to above. I need to logon and check the forum. The newsgroup I just clicked on the tab on thunderbird and it was there. I could check in seconds.
4. Replies to email - While the replies to posts being sent to email has its benefits, it could overwhelm my inbox, as where the newsgroup had it available and self contained. (I will likely set up an email filter to send it to a folder to put the forum emails together and remove this Con.)
Overall:
I will likely only come to the forums if I have a specific question/problem. By comparison, I looked at the newsgroups almost daily. I do like that I will be able to use the newsgroups on the road, but will rarely do that since I don't often have time when I am traveling anyhow. Even if speed were not an issue, I would probably rarely use the forums since it isn't right there on Thunderbird.
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That pretty well sums it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You're right Dr. Hartman, that sums it up. All of the above manages to touch in one way or another upon my likes and dislikes of the NG's and the forums.
Last thing I'll say is that the ONLY reason I have a newsreader installed any more is the Logos Newsgroups. Lose them and switch to forums and at least I can remove that bit of software and quit dealing with it's idiosyncracies.
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Well, I am trying my best but still find it hard to move through the posts I want to read. It looks much more unclear than in the newsgroups. I hope I will adjust to is eventually. I tried RSS. I don't think it is a solution to make it more clear. We will see.
Bohuslav
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JUST Testing / playing around / experimenting [~]
I much prefer the tree/thread format in the Newsgroups ... it makes following the various bunny trails easier, but this is workable. I certainly wouldn't want to have a meltdown over it and then have to be brought under control ...
0284.How to Handle Complainers.wmv
Sound clips, too ....
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Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Bob, have you heard of Google wave? I think this will be better than NG and forums. Here are a couple of links: http://wave.google.com/ and http://wave.google.com/help/wave/about.html.
I believe it address all of the issues that people have mentioned here in this forum and in the newsgroups.
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Peace to you, Dave!
*smile*
Was able to download your zip file. Had it before, but thot I'd try it again! Thanx once again for doing all that work for us ...
.... Mel
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Richard DeRuiter said:
With breeches in the newsgroups recently, I'm concerned that eventually we may see a jpeg displayed that we ought not to see. At least with most NNTP readers, you have to choose to view the picture.
While I'm not interested in seeing untoward pictures posted either, I'm not greatly concerned -- after all, we are all adults and can simply ignore them. Of course, the only way of keeping them from being thrown in your face every time you visit the page would be to delete them. Is there such a facility in these fora?
george
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Richard DeRuiter said:
You can edit your own posts. That's pretty cool.
Really? I hadn't noticed that and still don't see it. Where is it? If we're going to be stuck with this, I might as well learn to use it as well as possible.
george
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GeorgeSomsel said:Richard DeRuiter said:
You can edit your own posts. That's pretty cool.
Really? I hadn't noticed that and still don't see it. Where is it? If we're going to be stuck with this, I might as well learn to use it as well as possible.
You can edit your posts by clicking the "More" button next to the "Reply" button on your own posts. I notice that this ability disappears after a while (a day? after someone replies? some other criterion?).
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Editing posts is currently enabled for 10 hours after a post is made. This should give plenty of time to correct any typos or change formatting but doesn't let one go back and change a post days after it was made as that could really throw off the continuity of any following posts.
The 10 hour limit may change - I notice most of my typos in emails immediately after hitting send so a 10 minute edit window would be plenty for me!
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Pam Larson said:
I like reading the newsgroups. But since I switched to a free web-based e-mail account (using wireless to connect to my son's ISP) I haven't been able to figure out how to post to a newsgroup. I used to connect through AOL and they dropped the ability to read newsgroups years ago.
Not so very long ago I was using AOL on a dial-up connection and had no problem getting the Newsgroups. Admitedly I launched Outlook Express to do so, but that has long been my practice with the Newsgroups. I now use Windows Mail because I don't seem to have OE on Vista or I would still be using it.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I had really given up on the newsgroups, to me, it was a pain and outdated. I am a active member of other forums, and I think it will be much easier to be active here now also.
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I have become a big fan of forums while I use to love newsgroups. But I am not sure I like this interface as much as vBulletin which is on of my favorites. Why did you go with this interface?
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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That's understandable. I can get used to it, but we all have our prefs.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
David Ladiges said:
The 10 hour limit may change - I notice most of my typos in emails immediately after hitting send so a 10 minute edit window would be plenty for me!
David, if you are a Logos employee it would help if that fact was displayed (also for people I already know, because others may not!).
One hour would do for me as I made 6 edits of one post at roughly ten-minute intervals!!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
I have become a big fan of forums while I use to love newsgroups. But I am not sure I like this interface as much as vBulletin which is on of my favorites. Why did you go with this interface?
Looks like they are using Community Server, http://communityserver.com/
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Finally, awesome!
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Dave Hooton said:
David, if you are a Logos employee it would help if that fact was displayed (also for people I already know, because others may not!).
That would be a useful feature! I'll add that to my list of things to check on.
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I prefer the web forum. Hope all is well with you Bob. Say "Hi" to the family for me!
Chris Cannatella
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Clinton Tomhas said: The "recent topics" listing on the first page - is there a way to indicate which forum the post is from.
I too hate this. Could you maybe put this off to the side or below? Or give me an option to remove it altogether?
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Testing something
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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OK I see it. In case someone else was trying to figure out how to get the quotation in the body of your post you have to hit the reply button above the post and not the quick reply below it. Hitting the quick reply below will not give you the option to quote the previous post's text.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Many thanks for making forums available. Forums are my preference.
And may a suggest a darker green for those links that are light green? Tough to make them out but could be my aging eyes.
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Prefer forums
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Kevin said:
And may a suggest a darker green for those links that are light green? Tough to make them out but could be my aging eyes.
The bright background will also age one's eyes! Some options for colour choice would be great.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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We have a code blue in Newsgroups. No one has posted today! Get the paddles -- clear!
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Please change your style sheet(s) such that visited links are a different color than unvisited links. In fact, it would be nice if you changed the link colors on hover as well (to help minimize finger errors).
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Superb suggestion!John McComb said:Please change your style sheet(s) such that visited links are a different color than unvisited links. In fact, it would be nice if you changed the link colors on hover as well (to help minimize finger errors).
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John McComb said:
Please change your style sheet(s) such that visited links are a different color than unvisited links. In fact, it would be nice if you changed the link colors on hover as well (to help minimize finger errors).
I notice that you've done this with the main thread links in the forum categories. So either you responded to my request or it was like that before and I just didn't notice. If the former than thankyou for your prompt attention. If the later then no matter, it's not a demand but I'm glad it's done.
Anyway, could you now please do the same thing with the "Last Post" links? That way the user's browser keeps track and gives him/her a quick visual clue of which posts are new and which have already been read. I know you have an "Unread Post" function on your main page and I applaud that effort but I personally find it a little awkward and prefer just to browse the categories the way I've become used to in other forums. I'm sure there must be some others out there who feel the same way. Visual clues in the links themselves would be very helpful.
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John McComb said:
I notice that you've done this with the main thread links in the forum categories. So either you responded to my request or it was like that before and I just didn't notice. If the former than thankyou for your prompt attention. If the later then no matter, it's not a demand but I'm glad it's done.
Anyway, could you now please do the same thing with the "Last Post" links? That way the user's browser keeps track and gives him/her a quick visual clue of which posts are new and which have already been read. I know you have an "Unread Post" function on your main page and I applaud that effort but I personally find it a little awkward and prefer just to browse the categories the way I've become used to in other forums. I'm sure there must be some others out there who feel the same way. Visual clues in the links themselves would be very helpful.
Actually I take that back. Now I'm noticing that the thread links revert to the "unread" color every time somebody adds a new post. That kind of defeats the purpose. Alternate colors are only helpful if you can see if it's a thread that you've previously read. The "last post" links should change color when somebody adds a post. This should work with a simple change to the style sheet(s) since each new post should have an unique link.
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