Was showing today's date all the way up until this afternoon then....suddenly changed again to 6/1 LOL
Yes, delayed again.
Kent Hendricks from Logos posted on a thread about this yesterday: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/32699.aspx?PageIndex=3
I know you guys are frustrated at the delays but I love your sense of humor about it, Fred! Maybe it will help to remember those of us who were not blessed with the funds to even put our hats into the ring for the wait. I would love to own this collection and I hope you will all find the wait very rewarding in the end. [G]
Peace,
Kaye
/tongue planted firmly in cheek
It has shipped, we just can't see it. We know have to wait 5 more months for it to show itself to us.
[:P]
First of the month works for me. [Y]
Maybe it's just an act of mercy for all the fence sitters. It's starting to sound like those TV ads, "order in the next 365 days at this low low price..."
My pre-order is dated July 11th of 2010. Just hope it arrives within a year. [:S]
Is everyone ready to play "countdown" again tomorrow?
Maybe go on delay.[A]
I guess I am new at this. I ordered 3 weeks ago . I too was disappointed at the change of date! If it changes again.I will wonder if these preorders are worth the humor!
I guess I am new at this. I ordered 3 weeks ago . I too was disappointed at the change of date!
Welcome to the Forums!
If you ordered that recently you shouldn't be. Or at least not to much. It was supposed to ship February 28th, so without any change of date you would have missed out. [;)]
How about guessing what the post pub price will be?I will guess $300.
It seems that the Babylonian Talmud has page numbers but that the Jerusalem Talmud does not, or am I missing something?
Close, noticed bit lower @ $ 279.95 => Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud Collection (50 vols.)
Keep Smiling [:)]
Concur with observation (Babylonian Talmud has volume/page index for 22 volumes).
Just checked, and this is confirmed by the Information pages. There are 4 indexes on the Babylonian Talmud, including Volume/Page, but only 3 on the Jerusalem Talmud, excluding Volume/Page.
I'm not sure there is often a mention of indexes or search fields (which also differ) on the advertising for a resource, so:
1) how can we know beforehand what we're getting (and what Logos is adding to the raw text)?
2) why isn't there a Volume/Page index or searchable Headings in the Jerusalem Talmud?
3) is there likely to be a Volume/Page index or searchable Headings in the Jerusalem Talmud any time soon? (and if so, how will we know when it changes?)
Page numbers are a feature of print books. Where a Logos resource corresponds to a print book, we add page numbering.
The edition of the Babylonian Talmud in this collection has been published in print by Hendrickson, so the Logos resource has the volume and page numbers from this print resource. The edition of the Jerusalem Talmud, however, has never been published in print, so there is no page numbering.
It seems that the Babylonian Talmud has page numbers but that the Jerusalem Talmud does not, or am I missing something? Page numbers are a feature of print books. Where a Logos resource corresponds to a print book, we add page numbering. The edition of the Babylonian Talmud in this collection has been published in print by Hendrickson, so the Logos resource has the volume and page numbers from this print resource. The edition of the Jerusalem Talmud, however, has never been published in print, so there is no page numbering.
Rosscup's An Exposition of Prayer in the Bible has never been published in print, but it has page numbers... Even with digital only books, it's comforting to see a page number that would approximate the printed page just so you have an idea of kind of how big the book is, and how far into it you are. I know we're going to have to come up with a better scheme for the new era of digital only books, but so far I'm not happy with not having a sense of quantity. Kindle's positions are meaningless to me. I know that screenfuls doesn't work either because you can change the font size so that's not a fixed measure. But having a virtual page size that approximates the printed page size would be helpful. You would have to paginate the thing once at publication time, giving it a default font size to figure out where the page breaks would fall, but then put in page number tags at those boundaries.
Should the Talmud resource be appearing in the a Passage guide when it refers to a certain verse?
For example, Babylonian Talmud, b. Ber. 1:1, II.6.K refers to Psalm 119:62. When I do a passage guide on Psalm 119:62 the Talmud doesn't appear, but it would be nice though!
Should the Talmud resource be appearing in the a Passage guide when it refers to a certain verse? For example, Babylonian Talmud, b. Ber. 1:1, II.6.K refers to Psalm 119:62. When I do a passage guide on Psalm 119:62 the Talmud doesn't appear, but it would be nice though!
That depends. Are you using just the default Passage Guide (which contains a Commentaries section)? Or did you create a custom Passage Guide that has a Collection section in it, with a collection selected that includes the Talmuds? The Talmuds are type Monograph, not Bible Commentary, so they won't show up in the Commentary section of a Passage Guide. So in order to get these you will have to use a custom Passage Guide. For info on this, and on creating Collections that can be used in Passage Guides, see http://wiki.logos.com/Customizing_the_Passage_and_Exegetical_Guides and http://wiki.logos.com/Collections.
Tnx!
No. The passage guide deliberately restricts itself to books the comment on particular Bible passages. If it included resources that just mentioned bible passages it would quickly get unwieldy. That said, you can add your own sections (called 'Collections' to the Passage Guide). Just first create a collection with the two Talmuds in, then add it to the PG. Unlike the commentaries section, the 'Collections' sections do include all references to the Bible verse in question.
<edit>Rosie beat me to it. That's what comes of getting called away to do the vacuum cleaning whilst in the middle of a reply!</edit>
For info on this, and on creating Collections that can be used in Passage Guides, see http://wiki.logos.com/Customizing_the_Passage_and_Exegetical_Guides and http://wiki.logos.com/Collections.
Very very helpful. Thanks.
Thanks for the reply, Louis. Sorry for my slow response.
I have to admit I hadn't realised that the Jerusalem Talmud hadn't appeared in print. I'll leave the issue of whether digital only editions should have page numbers or something similar for another thread. (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/34085.aspx) I had the impression from the product page (http://www.logos.com/product/6667/babylonian-and-jerusalem-talmud-collection) that the Jerusalem Talmud had been published in print before, even if there were new introductions. Is this what makes it a new publication?
Going back to my original questions above.
1) how can we know beforehand what we're getting (and what Logos is adding to the raw text)? Is there an answer to this? I know in the past it has made the difference between me deciding to purchase a resource or to make do with a separate and inferior public domain version before.
2) why isn't there a Volume/Page index or searchable Headings in the Jerusalem Talmud? I've tried searching and it seems to find Headings in both Talmuds, so I'm not sure I can see a difference here. I am curious as to why it's flagged in one Talmud and not the other though.
3) is there likely to be a Volume/Page index or searchable Headings in the Jerusalem Talmud any time soon? (and if so, how will we know when it changes?) I'm guessing that the answer is no, and that if a new index did appear, we would only find it by accident. I know that this has been requested in the past, but it would be good to see a log of what changes had been made to resources. Just new links added, typos corrected, Volume/page index added, etc. would be enough for me without a need for more detail.
I had the impression from the product page that the Jerusalem Talmud had been published in print before, even if there were new introductions.
It's been published before, but only on CD-ROM.
how can we know beforehand what we're getting (and what Logos is adding to the raw text)?
We can't. I agree with you that it's an important issue that we ought to know when we order prepubs (or at least before an item ships).
why isn't there a Volume/Page index or searchable Headings in the Jerusalem Talmud?
Vol/Page has been dealt with above. Why headings are not tagged in the Jerusalem when they are in the Babylonian is strange. I suspect the reason might be that the Jersualem was converted from the existing digital format, whilst the Babylonian was created from scratch, but it still seems odd. You can use the largetext field as a workaround.
The edition of the Jerusalem Talmud, however, has never been published in print, so there is no page numbering.
Funny how you can know exactly how many pages there are in a resource without page numbering: [;)][:D]
There's even some sample pages...
Even with digital only books, it's comforting to see a page number that would approximate the printed page just so you have an idea of kind of how big the book is, and how far into it you are.
I agree. I find it very frustrating that Logos' resource info won't tell me how many pages a book is, and its TOCs won't tell me how many pages a chapter or an article is. When I choose a book from my shelves I know if I'm in for 100 pages or for 700 pages; in Logos I don't have a clue. When I open a paper dictionary I can easily see if the article is roughly the right length and depth for my present needs; when I open the AYBD or the TDNT in Logos I often have to start by scrolling to the end in order to figure out if I want to read the whole article, skim certain passages, or go looking for a smaller dictionary instead.
(and if so, how will we know when it changes?)
If you sort your Library by Last Updated, you will be able to see when/if the Talmud gets an update, and then you can look and see if anything's changed in these respects. Updated resources should also show up on your Home Page, if you have that option checked.
