EEC is quite refreshing

I've started reading through Loken's Commentary on Ezra & Nehemiah, the first published in the EEC. I have to say it is quite refreshing to have a scholarly, thorough, well-written commentary interacting with recent scholarship in light of the text of the Bible that isgrounded in the truth that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I love trust in and a desire to find authorial intent.

If the first volume is any indication, I am very very glad I ordered the commentary series.

I am now planning on conducting (in addition to my other studies), a study of the whole Bible over the release period of the EEC utilizing these commentaries as guides and reading them cover to cover.

Thank you Logos

From the preface (emphasis mine):

We are happy to present the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary (EEC) series on the Bible. Though there are many excellent commentaries that have been produced in recent years, the EEC is a needed addition for scholars, pastors, and students of the Bible. As the title of the series indicates, the authors of this series are committed to both the evangelical faith and a careful exegesis of the biblical text. Each of the authors affirms historic, orthodox Christianity and the inspiration and inerrancy of the Holy Scriptures. In this series, the biblical books are studied with the tested tools of biblical scholarship, keeping in mind that these books, produced by human authors, come from the very mouth of God (2 Tim 3:16). The EEC reflects the important interpretative principles of the Reformation, while utilizing historical-grammatical and contextual interpretative methods.

Each part of the biblical text—as reflected in the original reading—has something to teach us about God, His world, and how we should relate to Him and to others. Thus in this series, each biblical unit is analyzed and interpreted. Then recommendations for application to everyday life and biblical theology are offered. This last step will aid pastors and teachers in their ministry of God’s Word.

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We hope that you will have greater appreciation for the Word of God and the ability to better share it because of reading the EEC.

For us, the EEC is an offering of praise to the great Triune God who is our Creator, Savior, and Sustainer, who, through Jesus the Messiah and Lord, dwelt among humanity to bring us salvation and gifts of His grace.

ὅτι ἐξ αὐτοῦ καὶ διʼ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν τὰ πάντα·

αὐτῷ ἡ δόξα εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν (Rom 11:36).

Because out of Him and through Him and unto Him are all things;

To Him be the glory unto all the ages, amen (Rom 11:36).

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Justin Cofer

I've started reading through Loken's Commentary on Ezra & Nehemiah, the first published in the EEC. I have to say it is quite refreshing to have a scholarly, thorough, well-written commentary interacting with recent scholarship in light of the text of the Bible that isgrounded in the truth that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I love trust in and a desire to find authorial intent.

If the first volume is any indication, I am very very glad I ordered the commentary series.

I'm a pretty happy with my purchase. Logos set the bar quite high when they said it would be at the WBC level. So far they haven't disappointed. I'm looking forward to Derickson's commentary on the epistles of John. Derickson is a grad of DTS and wrote a commentary with Radmacher on the Upper Room Discourse which I enjoy.

Eric Weiss

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255189#Comment_255189

It's nice the commentary begins each section with the original language text, even though it's probably unnecessary in an electronic tool like Logos where one can have a scrolling linked window for the text open next to it.

What's surprising to me is that print commentaries like WBC and NIGTC don't have the original language text at the beginning of each section, thus requiring the reader to have two books open at the same time.

A couple of nice color photos, too!

Ron

I've started reading through Loken's Commentary on Ezra & Nehemiah, the first published in the EEC. I have to say it is quite refreshing to have a scholarly, thorough, well-written commentary interacting with recent scholarship in light of the text of the Bible that isgrounded in the truth that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I love trust in and a desire to find authorial intent.

If the first volume is any indication, I am very very glad I ordered the commentary series.

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Thanks Logos!

Greg

I am now planning on conducting (in addition to my other studies), a study of the whole Bible over the release period of the EEC utilizing these commentaries as guides and reading them cover to cover.

Jacob, good idea. I'd like to do the same thing. How are you planning on doing it? What would it look like if you don't mind me asking?

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255197#Comment_255197

What's surprising to me is that print commentaries like WBC and NIGTC don't have the original language text at the beginning of each section, thus requiring the reader to have two books open at the same time.

This may be due to some of the limits of print books. The more pages a book has, the more costly it is to print. A series like the ECC isn't constrained by the physical limitations and hurdles of print books because it is all digital.

I'm really excited about the option to add information to the books over time if the need arises to do so. I wonder how this will be handled? Maybe have version numbers for each book? I wonder if Logos will allow changes to be made to the original text too, and how this would be handled if the ECC starts to become heavily cited?

Paul N

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255280#Comment_255280

could someone tell me the page count for this first volume or is it posted somewhere?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255295#Comment_255295

could someone tell me the page count for this first volume or is it posted somewhere?

There are no page counts posted for these volumes, and from what I understand there is no pagination in this first volume. I believe I saw Bob Pritchett saying something about us needing to get used to digital books not having pagination in them, because sometimes they never appear in print first (as is the case with the ECC). I'm still not happy about that, because I still think in a "page" world, just as I still think in Fahrenheit not Celsius even though I've been living in Canada for 15 years now.

Paul N

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255296#Comment_255296

man page count somewhat factors into many of my purchases when combined with the author, subject, and detail in the subject. I wonder if a new standard, rating the thickness of a book, will emerge in the digital era? Kind of kicking myself for not jumping in on this one too...

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255302#Comment_255302

Rather then having an actual page count, I would be happy to have an estimate of the page count. Something like "This volume is equivalent to 320 pages." or something like that. Anything that can tell us about the level of detail going into the work. A 400 page commentary on Romans isn't nearly as impressive or detailed as a 400 page commentary on Philemon!

Maybe I'll just copy the Ezra/Nehemiah volume into Word and see what the count comes to.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255302#Comment_255302

man page count somewhat factors into many of my purchases when combined with the author, subject, and detail in the subject. I wonder if a new standard, rating the thickness of a book, will emerge in the digital era?

[:)] "..thickness" of a digital book... That is very funny.

I agree it is helpful to know the page count of a print book when describing it's digital counterpart. Of bigger concern to me is the loss of precise location when referencing a work in footnotes or quotes. I am sure the Academic Training DVDs probably address using footnotes in detail. I like being able to send a friend to the exact location in a book so they don't have to search for the text string.

I always thought it amusing the Early Church Fathers is "missing" the index volume in digital form. And every digital version of the Bible has that same "comprehensive concordance" included, as if it was some major effort expended by the coders.

Multi-volume listings of works are common in Logos description pages because we are used to thinking that way. The original print versions were divided up out of physical necessity. Who is to determine the paper thickness of our digital books so we can estimate page counts? I want my Bibles on India paper. It makes my Logos library thinner and easier to carry in my pocket. [:D]

Pam Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255363#Comment_255363

Without a page number you can't set up an evenly paced reading plan. I set one up and here's what it looks like:

Jack Caviness

I have to say it is quite refreshing to have a scholarly, thorough, well-written commentary interacting with recent scholarship in light of the text of the Bible that isgrounded in the truth that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I love trust in and a desire to find authorial intent.

Well said. Jacob. [Y][Y]

Frank Fenby

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255302#Comment_255302

I wonder if a new standard, rating the thickness of a book, will emerge in the digital era?

Might I suggest megabytes of surface text. That way it shows what you see not all the mark-up to format the book. Some of the other items I thought about would be much to easy to pad with fluff, such as count of hyperlinks. These greatly add to the value of a book but someone looking for a high count could hyperlink every word to a dictionary.

As soon as you set a standard someone finds a way to cheat on it. I once used page count for student papers, but some joker used 1.5 in margins with 20 point type triple spaced.Pages are a lousy measure in my proud opinion. So is the count of bibliographic entries.You could just add the Library of Congress catalog to pad your count.

But alas even count of surface text is not a good standard. Look at how many words it took some of the old writers took to say, with all their grandiloquence, what today we say in a reasonable sentence. Is our goal to communicate truth or our own erudition?

Some of the native American elders I know can communicate volumes of truth with very few words. They do it very effectively and everyone understands what they mean.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255399#Comment_255399

Without a page number you can't set up an evenly paced reading plan. I set one up and here's what it looks like:

This looks like a nice plan.

I much prefer reading plans designed around the flow of thought rather than the volume of letters. I've seen some plans that cut a Psalm in half.

I hope I get my download before June 25th.

Frank Fenby

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255399#Comment_255399

Without a page number you can't set up an evenly paced reading plan.

Is the goal of reading to answer some relevant and important question concerning truth or to say we have toured some tombs endured some tomes?

(This is what we professors get for assigning tombs to be toured tomes to be endured instead of asking significant questions to bring light into dark places. Answering significant questions may require investigating some tombs tomes.) My maxim: never read anything without some very significant question(s) in mind.

[;)]

Pam Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255416#Comment_255416

Without a page number you can't set up an evenly paced reading plan.

Is the goal of reading to answer some relevant and important question concerning truth or to say we have toured some tombs endured some tomes?

(This is what we professors get for assigning tombs to be toured tomes to be endured instead of asking significant questions to bring light into dark places. Answering significant questions may require investigating some tombs tomes.) My maxim: never read anything without some very significant question(s) in mind.

For me the goal of the reading plan is to remind me to do the reading. The goal of the reading varies - sometimes it's just to soak up background or get another point of view. Plus my reading plans show up in one place in library.logos.com on my droid, so if I'm waiting in line somewhere I can open one up without having to remember the name of the book.

Jacob Hantla

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/255275#Comment_255275

I am now planning on conducting (in addition to my other studies), a study of the whole Bible over the release period of the EEC utilizing these commentaries as guides and reading them cover to cover.

Jacob, good idea. I'd like to do the same thing. How are you planning on doing it? What would it look like if you don't mind me asking?

I have a 12 week reading plan on the commentary (just to roughly keep me on track...not to do daily readings or anything, so I'm ok if it divides it in funny places). I am then doing the same thing that I'd normally do when I study a book. I'll simultaneously be reading the text of Ezra twice over 1 week making my own observations and notes. This will get me done simultaneously with my overview readthroughs when I finish the background stuff in the commentary. Then I'll just be following along in Ezra or Nehemiah as I read the commentary on the text.