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Blair Laird said:
If I desired to purchase an additional license of my library for my pastor, is that possible? How much does it cost if it is possible?
No. Even if your wife is your pastor. That is where the "married folk sharing one license" ends. Two vocations requires two licenses.
You can purchase a license for your pastor but he must also have a separate license to each of his resources. Logos gets it's bread & butter from resource sales. If we could all share one library there would be no money to pay for further development. Of course this could all change if Logos were available by subscription.
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It'd be free, if he downloads Logos4, soon to be Logos5. Of course he'll likely want to read or study, in which case he'd want to buy some books for himself. Or you could transfer your library to him for $20. In which case you wouldn't have a library. But his sermons would probably be really good?
EDIT: I completely missed Super Trooper's 'the pastor being ones wife' (or husband I guess). In that case you could make them pay the $20 for the transfer to them. (I just can't imagine Matthew being a 'tramp'.
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Super Tramp said:
No. Even if your wife is your pastor. That is where the "married folk sharing one license" ends. Two vocations requires two licenses.
You can purchase a license for your pastor but he must also have a separate license to each of his resources. Logos gets it's bread & butter from resource sales. If we could all share one library there would be no money to pay for further development. Of course this could all change if Logos were available by subscription.
Is there a price difference between purchasing a license for each resource, rather then buying a new base package for him?
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Blair Laird said:
f course this could all change if Logos were available by subscription.
Not sure if I fully like that idea. I have invested a-lot of money in logos, and I realize I own those resources, but if all of logos' resources became available by subscription, I would probably take that route. But what about all the money I have invested so far? It would seem to have been wasted. I like the idea of having my own library, not renting. It's like having a house, you can buy it or rent it. better option is to buy. Maybe a lease option would be better
That does not seem like the best idea either, because you don't own any of the resources until its all paid off. Which means if logos keeps pumping out books the way it does, it will never be paid off. If I have only invested a few thousand, subscription is a good idea. When you have invested more, at least from my perspective it does not seem so good.0 -
Blair Laird said:
If I desired to purchase an additional license of my library for my pastor, is that possible? How much does it cost if it is possible?
Suggest contacting Logos Sales => http://www.logos.com/contact about gift certificate(s) and cost(s).
By purchasing gift certificates for my wife, we share one monthly payment that includes two Logos 5 upgrades.
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Blair Laird said:
Is there a price difference between purchasing a license for each resource, rather then buying a new base package for him?
Buying in bulk always gets the cheapest rate. In other words. Buying a base package is always cheaper than buying each title it contains at the individual price. The only question is, does your Pastor actually want all the resources that are included in the base package. There is a break even point where it may be cheaper to go with or against buying the base package. I always go with the bundled deal because I typically under-rate some included resources and later find some intrinsic value to them.
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OK - that's "old news" from the last decade :-) Anyway - thanks a lot!!
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Bob,
Thanks for this clarification. However, I have a further issue that I'd like help with. Since I have been a Logos user since 2.0 I have an extremely large library. However, my wife has a tablet and only wants to be able to study the Bible and hear the Bible read aloud. If I allow her to use my account, it is just too overwhelming (she has visual problems and can't see small things easily). So I set her up with an account that only has a few books on it under her gmail account. I'd like to be able to transfer a couple of books from my library to hers without sharing the whole library (E.G. ESV Audio Bible or a Strong's concordance). Can I do that? If so how? What about if I want to buy a book for her on my account and have it sent to her account--is that possible? Also, is there any chance that the Lexham Audio Bible will be completed for the Old Testament? That would be a big help.
Blessings,
Ron
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Hi Ron
You are replying to something which Bob posted in 2009 - I don't know if he will set it here.
Some thoughts based on my understanding of how this works
Ron W said:I'd like to be able to transfer a couple of books from my library to hers without sharing the whole library (E.G. ESV Audio Bible or a Strong's concordance). Can I do that? If so how?
I don't believe that is possible
Ron W said:What about if I want to buy a book for her on my account and have it sent to her account--is that possible?
No - you can (via a sales rep) buy a book for her account but it won't then be associated with yours.
Ron W said:If I allow her to use my account, it is just too overwhelming (she has visual problems and can't see small things easily).
Why not tag the resources in your account that your wife wants to be able to access. Then on the tablet use a filter in the library so that only those books are presented to her. You could then change books as required simply by modifying the tagging.
So - for example - if you tagged resources as "ForMyWife" you could use the filter "mytag:ForMyWife in the library panel in the tablet app
Does this give you what you need?
Graham
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Ron W said:
Bob,
Thanks for this clarification. However, I have a further issue that I'd like help with. Since I have been a Logos user since 2.0 I have an extremely large library. However, my wife has a tablet and only wants to be able to study the Bible and hear the Bible read aloud. If I allow her to use my account, it is just too overwhelming (she has visual problems and can't see small things easily). So I set her up with an account that only has a few books on it under her gmail account. I'd like to be able to transfer a couple of books from my library to hers without sharing the whole library (E.G. ESV Audio Bible or a Strong's concordance). Can I do that? If so how? What about if I want to buy a book for her on my account and have it sent to her account--is that possible? Also, is there any chance that the Lexham Audio Bible will be completed for the Old Testament? That would be a big help.
Blessings,
Ron
Ron, you are responding to a post from Bob that was 5 1/2 years old, and a thread that has not been touched since a year and a half ago. Also your question is pretty specific and new/different from some of the subject matter in this thread. It would be better to start a new thread.
Are you still using Libronix (Logos 3)? It's a very old version of Logos. The current version is Logos 6. If you posted to this forum only because you happened upon it in researching licensing questions, I can understand that, but again it's best to start a new thread in one of the currently active forums that people are still reading regularly (Logos 5, Logos 6, or General for such a question as this) rather than piggy-backing off a very old one in an obsolete forum.
Anyway, you cannot transfer books between accounts in Logos, or lend books to other account holders. As for your question about Lexham Audio Bible, that's a completely different subject altogether and I wouldn't know. Someone from inside Logos/Faithlife would have to answer it, and they might not be willing to disclose that information very far in advance of it being released if they are at work on it.
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Graham,
The message I sent was due to searching the forum--I didn't notice the date. I found the ESV Audio Bible for free & am downloading it to her tablet. I have not worked with tagging so that is unfamiliar territory. I'll have to look at it further as an option. Thanks for the suggestion.
Ron
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G.G. Wyncoop said:
I have not worked with tagging so that is unfamiliar territory.
For background on tagging please see https://wiki.logos.com/Tagging
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Other options (if you want to use the same account) are to place the books she uses on the toolbar for her to access easily and/or create a layout for her to use.
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Scott.
Ron's wife is using a tablet so those options aren't available to her
Graham
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Graham Criddle said:
Scott.
Ron's wife is using a tablet so those options aren't available to her
Graham
Ah, missed that part – thanks Graham [:$]
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A Church member at the Church I attend was planning on purchasing Logos 6 with another church member. But I think the other member decided to go solo on it. First thing I thought was "mmm I don't think they can do that". I was going to say something but then found out one of them didn't want to share "I don't blame him". I have also heard from other's at my Church that they know pastors who have purchased it and given out the license to every member at there church who wants it. I find that amazing that anyone who calls him or her self a Christian would do something like that.
Then I have heard others claim that they were told by Logos reps that they can share it with there church members but I know that is not true. This is from the Spanish speaking ministry so I am not sure if maybe the Spanish speaking reps are telling pastors they can share their accounts.
My pastor was also attending a Bible Institute and only took one course of Hebrew and decided to not continue after he finished the semester. Yet two weeks after finishing the semester and knowing he would not be returning he went ahead and asked for the Academic discount. I thought that was shady too and he had to of known in his conscious that is not right.
When I contacted Logos about getting the academic discount I was required to fill out the academic form. Yet Spanish reps told them "no its okay ill give you the discount" with out requiring them to prove that they are attending seminary. In other words with the Spanish speaking reps anyone can call and just claim they are attending bible school and they will give 30 percent away just like that. That is profit being taken away from Logos which can then be used to improve our program for the rest of us who are being honest.
I just thought I give my input on what I see around me and hear from people. I really wish Logos would do something about this because it would only be fair for the rest of us.
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Welcome to the forums Diego Lara
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Hello Bob,
I'm please to see that you now see a husband and wife as one user as when Logos started. However, the feature set has moved to the Internet more with just about each release. This has made it very difficult for a husband and wife to use the same software when linking all the Note Books, Layouts, etc. to both a husband's and wife's personal computers. We have spent many thousands of dollars on this library and it does not seem that a husband and wife should be expected to purchase dual libraries. We have over a thousand books at home and we would be thought to be crazy to purchase copies for each of us. When I first started using Logos it was at Dallas Theological Seminary. After your family purchased it we were assured that we would not need separate licenses for each of us (as a married couple).
Last time I emailed you, I was told my wife would need her own account, which has made it even harder for her to use her account for Bible study while trying to use the books on my account. We both have more than one computer and we want keep them in sync while being able to start using many of the new features in Logos.
Now we're having a hard time learning how to stay legal and still both of us use the books we've purchased. I've also now been informed that we really don't own the books - is that true? We're very deeply invested in this software (now both retired) and can't continue with the high costs of having to maintain the two different licenses that we now have. We're wanting to merge our accounts and just use one again. I wish we could convince you to not leave the married couples behind and honor the agreement when this company started. It's just not fair to my wife who has gone along with the thousands we've invested and now can't use her account to access my account. There should be a way to make this an easier option for couples.
I love how this software has enriched our study of God's Word and helped us know our Lord and Savior more. With all the changes, we need help knowing what features to use and how to set them up so we both can use just one account. If it helps make it legal, we could keep her account open and both use mine. Now that we're both retired, we want to spend a lot more time learning all the great features in Logos so we can enjoy our studies even more. I praise God for any and all the help you can direct our way.
Your Brother in Christ,
Daniel Harper
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Hi Daniel
Its worth knowing that this is a reply to an old thread on a disused forum and so there is no guarantee that Bob or anyone else from Faithlife will see it.
From the previous post where you raised this issue - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/97520.aspx?PageIndex=1 - it seems that you and your wife wanted to share the same resources but to keep your notes separate. I expect it was due to the latter constraint that you were advised to have separate accounts. Is this still the issue that you are trying to overcome?
If so, you could partially address this by ensuring that you and your wife created notes and highlights in named Notebooks and that each of you ensured that you only had those Notebooks enabled in the resources you were reading. All notes would appear in the Notes Tool but only “your” notes would show in resources.
But things like book position, layout definitions, library tagging would be synced between all your installations.
If the above doesn’t help please provide more details regarding what you are trying to achieve.
And if, at the end of this, the right approach is to merge the two accounts that isn’t something we can help with on these forums. It is something that would need to be done by Faithlife customer services and you would need to contact them directly.
Graham
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Daniel Harper said:
We have spent many thousands of dollars on this library and it does not seem that a husband and wife should be expected to purchase dual libraries.
Yes, This is a long ago thread but the issue is still valid. The publishers 'force' Faithlife to change a price close to what the publisher change a library to pay for a dead tree version of the resource. That library with its 500 to 1000 or more members only pays small dollars per user. While we pay almost full price for just one user.
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Thanks for your reply.
I have been willing to pay the extra given all the added work that goes into Logos books. My main issue is that my wife can't have equal access to our books. She could open my account and copy all the information she want to add to her Note Book, however she'll not have the links and perhaps other information the would normally be attached to the information.
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Graham, thanks for your reply.
You replied - "it seems that you and your wife wanted to share the same resources but to keep your notes separate. I expect it was due to the latter constraint that you were advised to have separate accounts. Is this still the issue that you are trying to overcome?
If so, you could partially address this by ensuring that you and your wife created notes and highlights in named Notebooks and that each of you ensured that you only had those Notebooks enabled in the resources you were reading. All notes would appear in the Notes Tool but only “your” notes would show in resources.
But things like book position, layout definitions, library tagging would be synced between all your installations."
You're correct - How would my wife create a Notebook in my account (copy of Logos) and use it in her account (copy of Logos)?
Thanks again,
Dan
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Daniel Harper said:
How would my wife create a Notebook in my account (copy of Logos) and use it in her account (copy of Logos)?
Faithlife supports sharing documents => https://documents.logos.com that includes Notebooks => https://faithlife.com/posts/1567200 so an idea for sharing is using a Faithlife group (could be personal family, Bible Study, Church, ...)
Faithlife Corporation revised/consolidated licensing terms on 15 Mar 2019 => https://faithlife.com/terms that includes Logos Bible Software (LBS)
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5. Rights and Access Privileges for LBS Licenses.
LBS Licenses may ONLY be used on devices owned by the licensee in whose name the LBS License is registered. Each LBS License is granted for use by one human user only, even where the LBS License is registered in the name of an institution such as a church. We reserve the right to monitor use of the Services subject to LBS Licenses to detect, prevent and disable excessive simultaneous logins on different devices indicating use of the Services by more than one human user. We do not offer site-licenses, shared licenses, co-op licenses, or library licenses.
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Hi Daniel
Daniel Harper said:I have been willing to pay the extra given all the added work that goes into Logos books. My main issue is that my wife can't have equal access to our books. She could open my account and copy all the information she want to add to her Note Book, however she'll not have the links and perhaps other information the would normally be attached to the information.
I'm unsure why you and your wife are currently using separate accounts and not a combined one.
Are you able to outline that please?
That might help us to advise you better.
Graham
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Hi Graham,
1. We were told that it was not legal for my wife to use my account.
2. We were told she would have to get her own account anyway if she wanted to have her own notes in Bibles and other books.
3. At the time, I don't believe they had Notebooks or we didn't know about them (earlier this year). Maybe some of the new features would let us pull off using one account (as I stated in my post, I'm glad Logos can now be legal for both of us to use one account).
4. We tried going through some training and the software kept changing what the software was doing base on what each of us tried to do in following the training. Decided that may be another reason for two accounts or we could not go through the training together.
5. Was told that Logos is designed for one user and not for multiple.
Thank you for your help,
Dan
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Hi Graham,
1. We were told that it was not legal for my wife to use my account.
2. We were told she would have to get her own account anyway if she wanted to have her own notes in Bibles and other books.
3. At the time, I don't believe they had Notebooks or we didn't know about them (earlier this year). Maybe some of the new features would let us pull off using one account (as I stated in my post, I'm glad Logos can now be legal for both of us to use one account).
4. We tried going through some training and the software kept changing what the software was doing base on what each of us tried to do in following the training. Decided that may be another reason for two accounts or we could not go through the training together.
5. Was told that Logos is designed for one user and not for multiple.
Thank you for your help,
Dan
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Daniel Harper said:
1. We were told that it was not legal for my wife to use my account.
Was this due to your wife and yourself both being in active ministries?
-dan
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Daniel Harper said:
(as I stated in my post, I'm glad Logos can now be legal for both of us to use one account).
Apologies since am not understanding "now be legal" for husband and wife, who are two human users.
Observation: on 11 Jun 2019 => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/1052699.aspx#1052699, you replied to Bob Pritchett's post from 16 Jul 2009 => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265 (nearly ten years ago that included a scenario for husband and wife being one who share one email address, one phone, ... so were one "user" while not having different ministry support teams). Three months ago, Faithlife corporation revised their licensing terms that included Logos Bible Software (LBS) => https://faithlife.com/terms so Bob's gracious guide has been super-ceded to specify "Each LBS License is granted for use by one human user only ..."
As an outside volunteer, can only guess (speculate) about internal discussions and situation changes (including customer service representative layoffs & hires) that were followed by terms publication => https://faithlife.com/terms with last update of 15 Mar 2019 (as this reply is written on 13 Jun 2019).
FYI: am aware of one missionary couple many years ago that fit Bob's guide for "one" user who shared one Logos installation on one laptop (predating document sharing).
Thankful for a Faithlife change that predated terms is Basic base packages being free that enables practical Bible Study (started with Logos 7 free release in Feb 2017). Recently Faithlife had a weekend free bundle for home schooling families (so every family member could have their own individual library). Recommend Home schooling families follow a Faithlife group for interaction and future free announcements => https://faithlife.com/homeschool-families/activity
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Graham Criddle said:
My main issue is that my wife can't have equal access to our books. She could open my account and copy all the information she want to add to her Note Book, however she'll not have the links and perhaps other information the would normally be attached to the information.
Resources are licensed to an account - a single account. You must purchase a license/resource for each account to have equal access as the resources are not "our" but "his" or "hers".
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Daniel Harper said:
2. We were told she would have to get her own account anyway if she wanted to have her own notes in Bibles and other books.
5. Was told that Logos is designed for one user and not for multiple.
Yes, Logos was designed and has licenced resources from publishers that only one person would use the program and all of the resources bought under that username [account]
They do allow husband and wife to use one licence [to some extent they just look the other way] IF only one or neither is using Logos to prepare sermons or writing Bible Studies.
That means that they are seen as one person: Only one active user at any giving time. All notes and documents in common.
And we are saying the same things that we said back in 2014 when you asked the same basic question https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/1052699.aspx#1052699
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