Please, someone tell me that I won't have to do all my collections from L3 all over again!
Yes you do. The reason is the nature of collections in 4.0 Phil Spitzer has created a post with some info on the new functionality behind collections and help on how to create them.
Look here: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/3198.aspx
I am all in favour of new platforms and such, but can't there be conversion tools designed to save the busy, faithful, longtime, extensive user, hours of mindless work?
The new collection method does save hours of mindless work. What took me 15 minutes to create in L3 only takes 45 seconds in L4.
In addition to the link above, check out the video page for a tutorial on this.
The new collection method does save hours of mindless work.
???? Not in my experience.
The tagging in L4 is in such bad shape that using search terms still often produces results that have to be manually removed or more search terms added to get them to be 'automatically' removed. Then you still need to go back and see if you got everything, and add stuff in manually. Try type:Dictionary, Lang:Greek and see if you get all Greek lexicons and all your Greek lexicons. You won't if you have the library I have. You have to pull some hits out and add missed lexicons in. Time consuming.
I'd be glad to find out how to do this quick and simple, but in many cases quick and simple yields results that aren't good. No time to elaborate but there are plenty of specific examples I could give since I've spent a few hours re-creating my 3.0 collections.
Try type:Dictionary, Lang:Greek and see if you get all Greek lexicons and all your Greek lexicons. You won't if you have the library I have. You have to pull some hits out and add missed lexicons in. Time consuming.
In your search, "type:Dictionary, Lang:Greek", the comma represents an "OR" not an "AND". Take it out and see what you get.
I get 2 results for "type:Dictionary Lang:Greek": BDAG and Intermediate Greek Lexicon.
Not what you want either, but I wanted to point out that the search you had listed will show all dictionaries and all greek language books.
Which only emphasises how quickly we want Logos to tidy up the inconsistent metadata that is silently undermining our attempts to create truly "dynamic" collections (without resources in both the "+" basket and the "-" basket!).
I wasn't careful in how I typed the example. In fact I didn't have a comma between the terms. It still requires cleaning up with the old add and subtract.
If Logos gets the tagging cleaned up and consistent the promise of these dynamic collections will be realized. I suppose some of us have interest in some pretty specialized collections which Logos probably can't accommodate, but Greek lexicons should not be a hard collection to create (or all English Bibles!).
You wanna know what's funny?
Nobody remembers what work arounds we did in v3 because of the way if functioned. Collections existed for the sole purpose of not causing a full library search to make our machines smoke and give up the ghost....in fact...there was pretty much no such thing AS a library search in v3...if you wanted to have an answer today that is.
The collections method...
Drill down to the collections box...wait for it to populate...scroll through your choices trying to sort logically, then dragging them one by one to the other side.
When you got a new systematic theology...you had to remember that you had a systematic theology collection and manually go add it.
It's not like that was the best system in the world...we just got used to it...
I'm not saying that there is not some tagging work to do....but c'mon...this system is light years ahead of that....
That may be so Robert- but this new PG is not very user friendly- yeah if I want to type a passage and get everything great- but it has no way to limit itself without GREAT DIFFICULTY.
PG in V4 does not just give you Gal 2.20, when searched even with for favorite comm's in a collection.
The functionality of PG has been, well destroyed, not improved.
From the home page to passage guide this program is like lost it- it is not a good "bible study" program.
That may be so Robert-
Whyndell,
that's fine...it's the "but" and what comes after that doesn't make sense.
you are big on sweeping generalities but short on specifics....
if you want help...we are here to help...if you wanna complain and just sit in your own dirty diaper...then get a refund and be done with it...
What you are doing is not very adult behavior....
See your other thread for a PG on Gal 2.20 that I made:
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/3836/29468.aspx#29468
My experience in Engineering reminds me of this situation. Unlike 3.0 where everything was handed us and we were are forced to accommodate our study habits to one system, Passage Guides in 4.0 are extremely powerful because they have a high degree of flexibility. Flexibility and power translate into complexity. If you started using 4.0 expecting Logos to do all the work, you will fail to understand it. If, however, you are willing to put in some effort, ask some honest questions, and learn, you will find that it is actually quite wonderful to use.
It all depends on you though.
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