Searching the Greek text for a certain construction

Terry Cook
Terry Cook Member Posts: 128 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

What method, if any, would be best to determine how many times a preposition occurs with an adjective as it's object in the GNT?

One possible example is 2Timothy 2:16- EPI PLEION.

Terry Cook

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  • Rick Brannan (Logos)
    Rick Brannan (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,862

    Hi Terry.

    I did a syntax search of the Cascada analysis (of SBLGNT) like below:

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    We're specifying a Phrase of type Prepositional, it points to a 'terminal node' that matches the head term of the prepositional phrase in instance. In the SBLGNT, this search returns 766 hits.

    Yes, that's a bunch of gobbledygook. Each object in the Cascadia analyses (clause, phrase, terminal node, etc.) specifies a 'head term', a word that is the head of the structure. It also encodes the 'instance' of that head term, so that we can figure out (highlight) which exact word of the structure is the head term. Prepositional phrases specify the prepositional object as head term. The lemma, morph, semantic domain, etc. of the head term is encoded at the structure. In reality, we can get your count without the Terminal Node object; I included it so that search hits would also highlight the adjective. I accomplished that with the Terminal Node, with setting "Matching Skips Levels" to true on the Terminal Node (hence the dotted line), and by specifying agreement on "Phrase 1 Instance" between the Terminal Node and the Phrase node.

    Still gobbledygook-ish; but hopefully less so. If necessary hopefully another forum-ite can expand a bit on how this works.

    Rick Brannan
    Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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  • Rick Brannan (Logos)
    Rick Brannan (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,862

    Whoops, just noticed you're in the Libronix / Logos 3 forum. You can do something similar in OpenText.org, but they don't use head terms. It involves multiple syntax queries (or one query with some OR objects) because of the way prepositions were analyzed in OpenText.org. They treated prep phrases modifying verbs as Adjuct (clause component level) objects, and prep phrases modiyfing non-verbs (functioning adjectivally) as 'relators' within the word group modification analysis.

    Hopefully someone else can provide information; I know we've done a bit of that before on forums and the old newsgroups.

    Just remembered I did some stuff searching OpenText.org for prepositional phrases on the Logos Blog, with OpenText.org, a few years back. This series might be helpful: http://blog.logos.com/2007/12/greek_syntax_first_thessalonians_41_3/ (and the other 3 parts linked from the beginning of the article).

    Hope it helps.

     

    Rick Brannan
    Data Wrangler, Faithlife
    My books in print

  • Terry Cook
    Terry Cook Member Posts: 128 ✭✭

    Thanks Rick. I think you'll agree 733 prepositional phrases with an ADJECTIVE as it's object is probably too high of a number. The 2Timothy passage I cited is the first time I THINK I've come across the construction and that's why it struck me as odd and that's why I've posted my question. Maybe it's a regular occurrence?

    Terry

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