Here we go again...
Next month, in the space of one week's time, Logos is dumping over $700 in PrePubs on me...and it feels like quite the avalanche. With a monthly EEC siphon already tapping my fiscal vein, this is a perfect storm. Some of these are resources I have had in PrePub for about 3 years, others just a year or a few months, but the confluence is counter-productive to say the least. The upshot is that I may end up passing on all of them. I've said it before when this has happened, but the blind, pot-shot randomness with which these take-it-or-leave-it PrePubs hit the street leaves much to be desired...and it often means I am forced to "leave it". Also, once these PrePubs get past me, as far as I'm concerned they get sucked into a black hole...gone, never to be retrieved.
Stinks. 
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Agreed. I seem to always have to figure out what I can't afford right now and what I can't afford to pass up. Usually the lack of funds wins out.
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I have not recovered from last year's October flood.
DAN, HELP! [:S] ~Can you do it again?
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David Paul said:
Next month, in the space of one week's time, Logos is dumping over $700 in PrePubs on me...and it feels like quite the avalanche. With a monthly EEC siphon already tapping my fiscal vein, this is a perfect storm. Some of these are resources I have had in PrePub for about 3 years, others just a year or a few months, but the confluence is counter-productive to say the least. The upshot is that I may end up passing on all of them. I've said it before when this has happened, but the blind, pot-shot randomness with which these take-it-or-leave-it PrePubs hit the street leaves much to be desired...and it often means I am forced to "leave it". Also, once these PrePubs get past me, as far as I'm concerned they get sucked into a black hole...gone, never to be retrieved.
Stinks.
Ok, I've cut and slashed and gotten this disaster down to $500 due in just 4 days' time...and I may end up just throwing in the towel. [^o)]
But I thought that for now I would throw out a question to the Logos-Forum-Folk. Which of the following resources would you choose at the expense of the other two?
1) Augsberg Commentary on the NT *15 Vol.* or 2) New Daily Study Bible: NT *17 Vol.* or 3) Eerdman's Biblical Resources Series *14 Vol.*
You can only pick one. If your choice is because you wouldn't be caught dead owning the other two, that's fine. I'm looking for reasons to choose just one of the three. I would appreciate plenty of thoughts, opinions, etc.
Thanks.
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David Paul said:
1) Augsberg Commentary on the NT *15 Vol.*
Reason: (from the Logos product page) "along with an account of that book’s influence in church history, such as the impact of Romans on Augustine, Wesley, and Barth, and Martin Luther’s appraisal of James." This makes the commentaries has a distinct and useful voice rather than being "just another commentary".
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I feel your pain, I have had to drop a bunch of things, and may have to drop more, it would help if we had another pre-pub save on hold for awhile like last Oct. It allowed me to pick up a set just recently that otherwise I would have missed.
Jim
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David,
Sorry - I have no direct answer on these 3 works. I don't know them at all.
However, in general I look at if I think I'm never going to buy a given item, or just delay it. If delay, then whichever might increase the most is the one I wont delay, if possible.
Taken to extremes of course, it would mean I buy most everything in Pre-pub or Community, and I already do too much of that :-)
See: An answer that helps you not at all?
Regards,
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David Paul said:
Ok, I've cut and slashed and gotten this disaster down to $500 due in just 4 days' time...and I may end up just throwing in the towel.
But I thought that for now I would throw out a question to the Logos-Forum-Folk. Which of the following resources would you choose at the expense of the other two?
1) Augsberg Commentary on the NT *15 Vol.* or 2) New Daily Study Bible: NT *17 Vol.* or 3) Eerdman's Biblical Resources Series *14 Vol.*
You can only pick one. If your choice is because you wouldn't be caught dead owning the other two, that's fine. I'm looking for reasons to choose just one of the three. I would appreciate plenty of thoughts, opinions, etc.
With two books by J. J. Collins and the translation of Gunkel's Schöpfung und Chaos, there isn't any competition, the Eerman's Biblical Resources Series take the palm hands down.
EDIT: I might note that I searched for Gunkel's work with little success when I finally found PDF copies of it. I at first thought of making a translation of it since at that time it had not yet been translated into English. When I began to look at the PDFs, however, I found that the OCR software use to convert the text for the PDFs didn't do anything like a good job with the fraktur type so that the first task would have been a text-critical reconstruction of the original German. Needless to say (though I'm obviously going to say it anyway), I was most pleased when Eerdman's came out with a long-overdue translation. Now I am overjoyed to be able to get it in Logos -- my print edition has become well-worn in only about 3 yrs.
george
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My thanks to those who have responded...but I want more, more, more!
Please leave an opinion as to which of these 3 resources (see above) I should get.
Thanks.
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David Paul said:
1) Augsberg Commentary on the NT *15 Vol.* or 2) New Daily Study Bible: NT *17 Vol.* or 3) Eerdman's Biblical Resources Series *14 Vol.*
You can only pick one. If your choice is because you wouldn't be caught dead owning the other two, that's fine. I'm looking for reasons to choose just one of the three. I would appreciate plenty of thoughts, opinions, etc.
Thanks.
1) Augsberg Commentary on the NT *15 Vol.* PrePub price $159.95 (40% off $266.25)
2) New Daily Study Bible: NT *17 Vol.* Prepub price $139.95 (30% off $199.95)
3) Eerdman's Biblical Resources Series *14 Vol.* Prepub price $199.95 (54% off $433.00)
Obviously you are interest in all three... and might eventually want to add them all to your library.
I would go with 3) Eerdman's Biblical Resources Series *14 Vol.* at the PrePub price of $199.95 (which is 54% off). If you look at the Logos website for that publisher and scan their books most of the single books have no discount and the bundles are at most 31% off. I think you can expect the price on this bundle to go up at least $100.
That and add George's excellent observations:
George Somsel said:With two books by J. J. Collins and the translation of Gunkel's Schöpfung und Chaos, there isn't any competition, the Eerman's Biblical Resources Series take the palm hands down.
EDIT: I might note that I searched for Gunkel's work with little success when I finally found PDF copies of it. I at first thought of making a translation of it since at that time it had not yet been translated into English. When I began to look at the PDFs, however, I found that the OCR software use to convert the text for the PDFs didn't do anything like a good job with the fraktur type so that the first task would have been a text-critical reconstruction of the original German. Needless to say (though I'm obviously going to say it anyway), I was most pleased when Eerdman's came out with a long-overdue translation. Now I am overjoyed to be able to get it in Logos -- my print edition has become well-worn in only about 3 yrs.
So for me 3) Eerdman's Biblical Resources Series *14 Vol.* Prepub price $199.95 (54% off $433.00) would be the winner!
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I am still paying for last years Master Collection sale. I have had to pass on most items except for community pricing bids. I am already hoping that Logos will have another master collection sale this year that will make new collections available. Go Logos go!
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Pastor Jesse Blevins said:
I am already hoping that Logos will have another master collection sale this year that will make new collections available. Go Logos go!
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Matthew C Jones said:
I have not recovered from last year's October flood.
DAN, HELP!
~Can you do it again?Yes! Please Dan[:D]
Hopefully last October's snapshot plan was a win win for both Logos and those who participated.Even extending the snapshot would be helpful since there is still a lot on mine that hasn't gone live yet.
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You might also want to check BestCommentaries.com to see how The Augsburg Commentaries are rated on that site.
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I think that I read some time ago that now that Logos 4 is fully released that they would turn their attention to the prepubs. At least for me, I haven't been able to keep up with the accelerated pace and have had to cancel some.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
I think that I read some time ago that now that Logos 4 is fully released that they would turn their attention to the prepubs. At least for me, I haven't been able to keep up with the accelerated pace and have had to cancel some.
Different people work on books than develop the program. So, I think the picked up pace of Prepubs is just that they've hired more electronic text development staff.
Of these three choices I too would go for the Eerdman's bundle (too bad I can't afford any of these right now [:(]). I have the old Daily Study Bible series from an old base package and from what I've read this one is not enough of a revision (mostly updated language if I remember correctly) to warrant another purchase. Haven't had enough experience with the Ausburgh commentaries to like or dislike them.
Prov. 15:23
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Praiser said:
You might also want to check BestCommentaries.com to see how The Augsburg Commentaries are rated on that site.
In doing so, also check the reviewers list to verify that the rankings are based on the criteria you would use.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
I think that I read some time ago that now that Logos 4 is fully released that they would turn their attention to the prepubs.
At the MP seminar I attended some time ago, Logos gave a rather high number for the number of resources they expected to release per year. I think would should expect a rapid pace.
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MJ. Smith said:Praiser said:
You might also want to check BestCommentaries.com to see how The Augsburg Commentaries are rated on that site.
In doing so, also check the reviewers list to verify that the rankings are based on the criteria you would use.
Good point...that also goes for those who make suggestions from the forums. It helps to know what background, viewpoint, and criteria they are using too.
The reviews that count the most on that site are from this page: http://www.bestcommentaries.com/reviewers/
Somewhere (before their new website) I had read that most of review percentage goes to the Featured Reviewers and only a small percentage of the scoring goes to site reviewer libraries content.Featured Reviewers
- D. A. Carson
- Denver Seminary Journal
- Derek Thomas
- Desiring God Ministries (John Piper)
- Jeremy Pierce (parableman)
- Jim Rosscup
- John Glynn
- Ligonier Ministries (Keith Mathison)
- Tremper Longman, III
Of course if these reviewers do not represent your interest or viewpoints, then the site could also help you determine what you might not want to invest in.
If anyone appreciates Carson or Rosscup, then you should pick up the following resources in Logos:
New Testament Commentary Survey, 6th ed. by Carson $14.99 in Logos
Commentaries for Biblical Expositors by Rosscup $19.99 in Logos
I believe they do a good job of evenly presenting what the viewpoints of the various commentaries and their individual authors, as well as the strengths and weaknesses as they see it. I usually check them all as well as the book review sections of my journals and journals online. Only so many dollars to spend on a sea of resources.
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Praiser said:
Good point...that also goes for those who make suggestions from the forums. It helps to know what background, viewpoint, and criteria they are using too.
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Praiser said:Matthew C Jones said:
I have not recovered from last year's October flood.
DAN, HELP!
~Can you do it again?Yes! Please Dan
Hopefully last October's snapshot plan was a win win for both Logos and those who participated.Even extending the snapshot would be helpful since there is still a lot on mine that hasn't gone live yet.
I'd go for another snapshot sale. A 2011 Master Collection 2 would contain a lot of duplicates and I'd rather round out my incomplete collections and fill other gaps before then. But I am open to any ideas Dan comes up with. Most of what I have was because of a sale.
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Well, since this has gotten away from the OP (MY original post), I will say here on this point that I hope the next incarnation of a Master Collection is something that includes STUFF THAT ISN'T IN ANY OF THE BASE PACKAGES. I have Portfolio, and I specifically didn't get the Master Collection because about 70% of it was the Portfolio, which I have already paid for. I WON'T buy it again. Sure I would like some of the other stuff in the MC, but I will do without forever if they don't come up with a better option. The ball is in Logos's court. I've got a bunch of green and black paper which I'm waving back and forth...come and get it.
That said...I want to get this thread back to its original purpose...please indicate which of the three soon released items you would pick (see previous page).
Thanks.
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David Paul said:
Well, since this has gotten away from the OP (MY original post), I will say here on this point that I hope the next incarnation of a Master Collection is something that includes STUFF THAT ISN'T IN ANY OF THE BASE PACKAGES
You must be tired David/ This thread is about too many Pre-Pubs shipping at once. My last post was requesting a similar solution as we had last October. The 2011 Christmas Master Collection thread is over HERE [;)]
David Paul said:I have Portfolio, and I specifically didn't get the Master Collection because about 70% of it was the Portfolio, which I have already paid for.
I already had Portfolio Edition and discovered there were 1200 books in the Master Collection that were not duplicates and 810 that I already had. I also had non-package content like Spurgeon, Ironside, Calvin, and Rosscup. As far as I am concerned I did not pay twice for anything, I just paid $1.66 per volume for a fine addition to my library. I would go for another 1000 volumes of new material for less than $2 each.
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I too would like to see Logos implement a "Snapshot" sale for the new resources they'll be releasing over the next several weeks. Otherwise, I'm going to have to cancel one of my prepubs that I ordered some time ago because it will become available four days before I get paid. How about it, Logos?
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David Paul said:David Paul said:
Next month, in the space of one week's time, Logos is dumping over $700 in PrePubs on me...and it feels like quite the avalanche. With a monthly EEC siphon already tapping my fiscal vein, this is a perfect storm. Some of these are resources I have had in PrePub for about 3 years, others just a year or a few months, but the confluence is counter-productive to say the least. The upshot is that I may end up passing on all of them. I've said it before when this has happened, but the blind, pot-shot randomness with which these take-it-or-leave-it PrePubs hit the street leaves much to be desired...and it often means I am forced to "leave it". Also, once these PrePubs get past me, as far as I'm concerned they get sucked into a black hole...gone, never to be retrieved.
Stinks.
Ok, I've cut and slashed and gotten this disaster down to $500 due in just 4 days' time...and I may end up just throwing in the towel.
But I thought that for now I would throw out a question to the Logos-Forum-Folk. Which of the following resources would you choose at the expense of the other two?
1) Augsberg Commentary on the NT *15 Vol.* or 2) New Daily Study Bible: NT *17 Vol.* or 3) Eerdman's Biblical Resources Series *14 Vol.*
You can only pick one. If your choice is because you wouldn't be caught dead owning the other two, that's fine. I'm looking for reasons to choose just one of the three. I would appreciate plenty of thoughts, opinions, etc.
Thanks.
Down to a week left and I still haven't made up my mind about which of these three resources I will be getting...although I have (sadly) determined that the CHEAPEST item with the MOST VOLUMES (choice #2) will not be getting the nod. [:(]
I am torn between MJ's and George's advice. I feel like I would get the MOST use out of the commentary, since I use those (occasionally) when doing Bible study and I am always doing Bible study. On the other hand, there are some titles in the Eerdmann's collection that I would really like to have (although there are some snoozers in it too, I must say), but I spend so much time in Bible study, I rarely have to time stop and read books about the Bible. I make time, but it seems I rarely get through an entire book, because I am drawn back to Bible study when I read them. The extra $40 for the collection is also reminding me of straws and camels right about now. [:S]
First, can anyone at Logos confirm if the Eerdman's collection will be available individually?
Second, if you haven't already offered a reason (or even if you have) why I should go one direction or the other, I would like your input.
Thanks.
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David Paul said:
First, can anyone at Logos confirm if the Eerdman's collection will be available individually?
Certainly not me, but you might consider that when they unbundle some of these collections the price of individual volumes skyrockets -- for two volumes of the collection you could have gotten the entire collection on pre-pub. Also, how many commentaries with variations on a theme do you need?
george
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Drat you, Logos! Just when I think it might be safe to go in the water again, I look at the Pre-Pub page and see this:
http://www.logos.com/product/9919/handbook-on-the-old-testament-series
After reading the reviews at Amazon.com and seeing the previews there and at christianbook.com, I knew this was something I'd want (though I wish they'd use Hebrew spelling for the Hebrew words and not transliterations - or at least use BOTH). So I just increased my orders by $84.95 today (sigh).
Just don't be in any hurry to publish this, okay?
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
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Thanks for that info, Eric. Really...I mean it. Thanks.
[:|]
Just what I needed...a reason to spend even more...
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George Somsel said:
Also, how many commentaries with variations on a theme do you need?
Point taken, George. I just wish there weren't so many titles tainted with the Documentary Hypothesis in this series. I have very little tolerance for that drivel.
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Good news! [8-)]
I don't have to wring my hands any longer about which of the items to purchase...the decision was made for me. I'm getting none of them.
Logos dumped another batch of PrePubs on me...its now much worse than it was back in my OP of this thread. My response is...nada.
I won't be getting any of this stuff. Cancelling all of it.
Yep.
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David Paul said:
Logos dumped another batch of PrePubs on me...
I know the feeling. I thought I was going to have only 1 prepub this month -- now I have 7.
george
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Yeah. It's happening all over again. I wanted the Gender and the Bible Collection (12 vols.) but it shipped too quickly., now $799 [:(].
If we had another snapshot plan, I'd grab these:
Christian Approaches to Contemporary Thinking Collection (6 vols.)
Studies of the Savior (10 vols.)
IVP New Testament Studies Collection (15 vols.) Eerdmans Biblical Resources Series (14 Vols.)
New Testament Textual Studies and Documents Series (3 vols.)
The Works of Arminius (4 vols.)
And I really want these two:
Augsburg Commentary on the New Testament (ACNT) (15 vols.)
Studies on Job (4 vols.)
It is easy to pass on an $800 collection. But not getting it when it is $150 in Pre-Pub hurts! [:'(]Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Waiting on the Pre-Pubs (delayed ship dates) Bored bear needs a Pre-Pub.
Bored bears mean more theological debates in the forums.
Salmon is thinking: [:|] !bears: "Where is my Pre-Pub? How come his is here first?"
All that waiting, & they fly by, out of reach!
Dan Pritchett & Dave Kaplan after another successful sale campaign.
Happy bears. This is a Snapshot of Salmon on ice. (Get the hint Dan?)
OR 
Western or Eastern flavors. [;)]Pre-Pub downloaded & indexed. Ready to enjoy!
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Very nice.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Very clever Super Tramp. You made me laugh.
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Hi:
I know what you mean. I have six month to pay for my Platinum extra extra resources that I ordered. I like the New Daily Study Bible: NT and I'm ordering this week. I had this set before the update and it was a social background jewel.
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Just thought I would mention:
If you have picked up several different resources at different times via payment plans, you will notice you are paying a $5 administrative service fee for each payment processed. This can result in a large monthly charge hitting your card with no benefit to you. Next time you want a payment plan purchase, call a Sales Rep to place the order and they should be able to combine all your payment plans and process just one $5 charge a month. (Combining established payment plans requires human intervention from Logos.) You can also combine multiple purchases on one self-checkout and choose a payment plan at that time. Larger totals can be spread over longer periods. Sadly, Pre-Pubs can not be charged on a payment plan.
I would like to see the payment programs extended to 24 months for large balances. When 3 large purchases could total $6000~$8000 paying out in 12 months is difficult for most. The benefit of the larger library for the user is worth an extra $60 in administration fees. And if worse comes to worse, Logos could disable a license that is not being paid for. edit: That last sentence, now italicized, is only hypothetical. I don't know if they have ever done it.Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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