I would like to see commentaries written by Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza

Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza wrote a couple commentaries, and I would like to have her commentaries avaliable in the Logos format.

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Westie

I respectfully disagree. Since this is not the forum for theological debate, I will resist the temptation for in depth disputation. Readers can research her beliefs and come to their own conclusions.

God Bless

Mark

George Somsel

I respectfully disagree. Since this is not the forum for theological debate, I will resist the temptation for in depth disputation. Readers can research her beliefs and come to their own conclusions.

Proposed translation: Only read those things you agree with. I would disrespectfully disagree with you. Not that I have anything against you, but I don't respect that view. You should especially read those with whom you disagree.

Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.

Matthew C Jones

Interesting to read but I doubt I would pay money to read it. Since there are already too many titles I would love to read again and again, I would probably consult this one at the library and only when I am curious how the feminists come up with their views.

I am already happily married to a truly feminine and godly woman. I would rather incline mine ear toward her.

Ted Hans

I respectfully disagree. Since this is not the forum for theological debate, I will resist the temptation for in depth disputation. Readers can research her beliefs and come to their own conclusions.

Proposed translation: Only read those things you agree with. I would disrespectfully disagree with you. Not that I have anything against you, but I don't respect that view. You should especially read those with whom you disagree.

Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.

Hi George,

I wish you would take your own advise & give the ............. point of view some serious thought[:D]

Sir T.

J.R. Miller

it would certainly be valuable to anyone doing study in this area of Feminist theology since she appears to be a strong voice (interesting, her next book is being published by Wesminster John Knox Press). It would be an authoritative work to consult when writing/speaking on various topics, but I don't know I would spend a lot on it.

J.R. Miller

FYI, I did a search of my Logos library and got 37 hits for her name. There are several book reviews and other mentions, but nothing written by her. Here is the paragrah that mentions her from "The Dictionary of Christianity in America"

"A number of women have taken prominent theological roles both within the churches and the academe. Feminist theology—critical theological reflection carried out from a distinctly feminine perspective—has become a recognized theological movement among both Protestant and Roman Catholic theologians. Rosemary Radford Ruether and Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza have achieved prominence within this diverse movement that in some expressions has become confessedly non-Christian."

Also, here is a paragraph from a review "Faith and Mision" vol 2, of Fiorenza's book "In Memory of Her" in which Fiorenza attempts to reconstruct the leadership roles of women in the early church that were suppressed by the male dominated culture.

"In moving to the pre-Pauline missionary movement, Fiorenza argues women’s apostolic and ministerial leadership. She locates Paul within an ongoing and diversified Christian mission built out of house churches supported, organized, and led by women. Using “evidence from Pauline and post-Pauline literature, as well as Mark and John, Fiorenza demonstrates that Galatians 3:28, rather than being original with Paul, is the moment when he most accurately reflects the actual praxis of the early churches. She shows that the biblical witness to women’s involvement as deacons, apostles, and missionaries is steadily down-played by the efforts of the canonical writers to make the texts palatable to the dominant, non-Christian ethos. For example, diakonos becomes deaconess in reference to women and Acts emphasizes women as wealthy patrons while neglecting them as missionaries. Chapter Seven follows the trajectory of Christian patriarchy which begins with Paul’s modifications of the Galatians passage. The results, Fiorenza argues, are closer to Jewish religious and biological distinctions, the Greco-Roman ethos, and the pagan household than the radical discipleship of Jesus. Concern for decorum and good citizenship categorically revised the politically intrusive movement which led to the cross."

John McComb

FYI, I did a search of my Logos library and got 37 hits for her name. There are several book reviews and other mentions, but nothing written by her. Here is the paragrah that mentions her from "The Dictionary of Christianity in America"

"A number of women have taken prominent theological roles both within the churches and the academe. Feminist theology—critical theological reflection carried out from a distinctly feminine perspective—has become a recognized theological movement among both Protestant and Roman Catholic theologians. Rosemary Radford Ruether and Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza have achieved prominence within this diverse movement that in some expressions has become confessedly non-Christian."

Also, here is a paragraph from a review "Faith and Mision" vol 2, of Fiorenza's book "In Memory of Her" in which Fiorenza attempts to reconstruct the leadership roles of women in the early church that were suppressed by the male dominated culture.

"In moving to the pre-Pauline missionary movement, Fiorenza argues women’s apostolic and ministerial leadership. She locates Paul within an ongoing and diversified Christian mission built out of house churches supported, organized, and led by women. Using “evidence from Pauline and post-Pauline literature, as well as Mark and John, Fiorenza demonstrates that Galatians 3:28, rather than being original with Paul, is the moment when he most accurately reflects the actual praxis of the early churches. She shows that the biblical witness to women’s involvement as deacons, apostles, and missionaries is steadily down-played by the efforts of the canonical writers to make the texts palatable to the dominant, non-Christian ethos. For example, diakonos becomes deaconess in reference to women and Acts emphasizes women as wealthy patrons while neglecting them as missionaries. Chapter Seven follows the trajectory of Christian patriarchy which begins with Paul’s modifications of the Galatians passage. The results, Fiorenza argues, are closer to Jewish religious and biological distinctions, the Greco-Roman ethos, and the pagan household than the radical discipleship of Jesus. Concern for decorum and good citizenship categorically revised the politically intrusive movement which led to the cross."

Yucch!!!!

Yours in Christ

John

Ted Hans

FYI, I did a search of my Logos library and got 37 hits for her name. There are several book reviews and other mentions, but nothing written by her. Here is the paragrah that mentions her from "The Dictionary of Christianity in America"

"A number of women have taken prominent theological roles both within the churches and the academe. Feminist theology—critical theological reflection carried out from a distinctly feminine perspective—has become a recognized theological movement among both Protestant and Roman Catholic theologians. Rosemary Radford Ruether and Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza have achieved prominence within this diverse movement that in some expressions has become confessedly non-Christian."

Also, here is a paragraph from a review "Faith and Mision" vol 2, of Fiorenza's book "In Memory of Her" in which Fiorenza attempts to reconstruct the leadership roles of women in the early church that were suppressed by the male dominated culture.

"In moving to the pre-Pauline missionary movement, Fiorenza argues women’s apostolic and ministerial leadership. She locates Paul within an ongoing and diversified Christian mission built out of house churches supported, organized, and led by women. Using “evidence from Pauline and post-Pauline literature, as well as Mark and John, Fiorenza demonstrates that Galatians 3:28, rather than being original with Paul, is the moment when he most accurately reflects the actual praxis of the early churches. She shows that the biblical witness to women’s involvement as deacons, apostles, and missionaries is steadily down-played by the efforts of the canonical writers to make the texts palatable to the dominant, non-Christian ethos. For example, diakonos becomes deaconess in reference to women and Acts emphasizes women as wealthy patrons while neglecting them as missionaries. Chapter Seven follows the trajectory of Christian patriarchy which begins with Paul’s modifications of the Galatians passage. The results, Fiorenza argues, are closer to Jewish religious and biological distinctions, the Greco-Roman ethos, and the pagan household than the radical discipleship of Jesus. Concern for decorum and good citizenship categorically revised the politically intrusive movement which led to the cross."

Thanks Joe for the search in your Logos Library nothing further needs to be said about Fiorenza.

I have been spending a lot of my time reading interesting stuff on your website & your interview with the author of the Shack was an eye opener. He was very orthodox in his interview with you but i am not sure how he could have gone wrong in his Novel. Of course not all he said was wrong in his Novel but some things were troubling.

Kind Regards,

Ted.

tom

Wow, I did not mean to stir up a bee's nest here.

As Joe Miller quoted from The Dictionary of Christianity in America

""A number of women have taken prominent theological roles both within the churches and the academe. Feminist theology-critical theological reflection carried out from a distinctly feminine perspective-has become a recognized theological movement among both Protestant and Roman Catholic theologians. Rosemary Radford Ruether and Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza have achieved prominence within this diverse movement that in some expressions has become confessedly non-Christian."

Note: This quote states "some expressions" believe that "this diverse movement" falls out of the Christian teachings.

While I do not want to get into a debate of what is a "Christian teaching" and what is not (this debate will fall into what denomination has the 'correct' teachings), it is safe to say that some expressions of Christianity will say that "this diverse movement" does conform to Christian doctrine.

Because some people do believe that feminist theology - liberation does conform to Christian doctrine, I believe that this is one reason why we should read and have her items available in Logos.

I have read some of Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza's writings, and I have found out that I agree with some of the points she makes and I disagree with other points she makes (just like I agree with and disagree with other authors). I do know one thing, I learn from reading her books.

I could not agree more with George when he said,

You should especially read those with whom you disagree.

Not only do we learn why someone believes the way they do, it helps us in our own understanding. I also believe that it is by reading and listening to people who we disagree with that we can the errors in our logic / theology.

This why I would love to have commentaries written by Fiorenza and others who hold to feminist theology, liberation theology, . . .

ZoesProudDaddy

With all due respect, I don't understand this mindset. The mindset that prefers Logos DOESN'T add specific authors/works to their growing library. I would like to see commentaries on the Qu'ran, BOM, etc... It is up to each individual person whether or not they would be interested in purchasing said work. I would brather Logos has every work of every author rather than ignoring certain works of certain authors.

John McComb

With all due respect, I don't understand this mindset. The mindset that prefers Logos DOESN'T add specific authors/works to their growing library. I would like to see commentaries on the Qu'ran, BOM, etc... It is up to each individual person whether or not they would be interested in purchasing said work. I would brather Logos has every work of every author rather than ignoring certain works of certain authors.

Oh, I don't know. I've been following this thread pretty much from the start and I don't think anybody's expressed that view, have they? Have I missed it?

Maybe you can take a post like the second one in the thread and extrapolate that meaning (intent?) from it but I don't think you can write those suspicions in stone without putting words into the poster's mouth. It's a perfectly valid opinion to express on a suggestions board, isn't it? After all, if Logos is going to consider publishing a certain work they want to weigh the interest, both positive and negative, don't they?

In fact, the topic of Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza has generated so much controversy just in this one thread that it might be a signal to Logos that it would be a good work to consider. Controversy is a great seller in the publishing business.

Yours in Christ

John