Citations on books with no Page Numbers...

Anyone know how to correctly cite a book in Logos with no page numbers in Turabian format?

I am trying to cite something from this resource:

F.
P. Moller, vol. 2, The Wonderful Christ
and the Meaning of Humanness (Christology and Anthropology), Words of light
and life (Pretoria: Van Schaik Religious Books, 1998).

But for some reason, there are no page numbers available in Logos for it.

Noel

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Kevin Becker

I've looked online and it appears that the Turabian style guide does not anticipate this situation.

Ask your professors if a chapter and paragraph number would be acceptable, then I would manually count those out that you need to cite.

it could look like (electronic edition, Logos Bible Software) 3 ¶34 added to the end of the citation. Whatever you do, clear it first so you don't get burned on the grade.

If not, then I would be looking for an interlibrary loan to get the page numbers from a physical copy. OR, look for a scanned version on Google books (if it exists) the limited preview and the ability to search books in Google might allow you to get page numbers.

NB.Mick

Kevin is spot on with his advice to check with those people that grade your paper, since they may have come into this situation before and produced an in-house style or (if not) can be talked into a simple solution that saves you effort like manual counting/google/getting a paper version from the library/....

You may find addotional info in a number of threads that came up as the first volume of the Logos-produces EEC-Commentary was shipped, as this resource wasn't published on paper before and therefore has no page numbers at all.

Hope this helps,

Mick

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/278280#Comment_278280

I've looked online and it appears that the Turabian style guide does not anticipate this situation.

I have a hard copy (old) version of Turabian. It lists several ways to cite from electronic works. In each case it assumes that there are no page numbers, since electronic works have no pages (as I said, this is an old version).

My advice is to either use a copy of Turabian (if that's what the institution requires), or speak with your professor(s) about what they want, or any specific requirements about citing from electronic editions of works cited. In most cases you'll find page numbers are simply not required for such citations. But each institution has it's own 'culture' for this sort of thing, so it always pays to check.

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/278292#Comment_278292

I have a hard copy (old) version of Turabian. It lists several ways to cite from electronic works. In each case it assumes that there are no page numbers, since electronic works have no pages (as I said, this is an old version).

The reason why I said this is all of the electronic citation guides I found assumed that the electronic resource was accessed online. Since Logos isn't that way, I'm not certain it'll really fit.

...unless we count biblia.com [;)]

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/278298#Comment_278298

I have a hard copy (old) version of Turabian. It lists several ways to cite from electronic works. In each case it assumes that there are no page numbers, since electronic works have no pages (as I said, this is an old version).

The reason why I said this is all of the electronic citation guides I found assumed that the electronic resource was accessed online. Since Logos isn't that way, I'm not certain it'll really fit.

...unless we count biblia.com

My copy (6th edition) says this at 8.141: "Electronic media are of two main types (1) physical entities, such as CD-ROMS, diskettes and magnetic tapes and (2) online sources such as computer services, networks and bulletin boards..." It then goes on to explain how to cite from those types of works.

Basically, it states that you should provide the information that is available (no need to provide information that is not available), and gives some examples of how to do that.

Justin T. Clausen

So this original post is over 10 years old, and as far as I can find, this issue has not been addressed any more than has been suggested in this thread (ask your professor how they want it dealt with). I'm pinging this back up to see if there has been other resolution to this situation or to garner some traction on an update or feature improvement.

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1187814#Comment_1187814

Disclosure - I don't move in academic circles...

... but surely the intellectual world must have taken on board the fact the 'page numbers' are ephemeral when it comes to digital works?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1187820#Comment_1187820

examples available at Electronic Sources - Citing Sources in Chicago/Turabian Style - Library at Edgewood College

Myke Harbuck

Turabian permits the usage of "n.p." (page number needed) when a page number is not available. I used this many times in my dissertation when pages numbers were not available for Logos resources, and it went through editors, my dissertation committee, and my mentor fine. I also permit "n.p." in courses that I teach.

I've also used the Amazon or Google book search to find page numbers and then cited the resource as the print edition.

Kathleen Marie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1187823#Comment_1187823

This page shows how to quote Logos software in Turbian

https://libguides.grace.edu/c.php?g=499070&p=6001316

It shows where to put the page number, if there is one provided, and offers this suggestion if it is not provided:

If page numbers are unavailable, use other locating information such as chapter, section or part.

Kathleen Marie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1187835#Comment_1187835

Students looking for information to cite Logos are often also looking for information about citing their course materials, and this is also very difficult to find. I spent hours finding these two links.

Citing Custom Courseware

https://www.lib.sfu.ca/help/cite-write/citation-style-guides/chicago/custom-courseware