Common typos throughout library
Does anybody else find that there are a lot of "divided word" typos? Things like "member ship" or "minis try"? I find these very, very often and rather than reporting just what I find, I always run a search in my library for the typo and almost always find numerous cases of each one. I then go through and report them all. The reason I'm asking though is that this seems to be a very common type of typo and I'm wondering if there is something Logos could be doing to catch these types of typos more often? Just this morning so far I have come across these three and found them in the following places:
"member ship"
- 1x in Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels
- 1x in EBC Volume 1
- 2x in Seven Myths about Small Groups
- 1x in Starting (& Ending) a Small Group
"minis try"
- 1x in Big Book on Small Groups
- 4x in Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels
- 2x in EBC Volume 8
- 1x in The Holy Spirit (Pink)
- 1x in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers First Series, Volume V
- 1x in Seven Myths about Small Groups
"disciple ship"
- 5x in Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels
- 1x in EBC, Volume 1
- 2x in Holman Bible Handbook
- 1x in Strong's Theology
And these are relatively small examples. Very often when I do a search for one of these types of typos, I end up having to report it numerous times in each of 20-25 resources. Just yesterday I corrected several instances of "be cause"...in this case, a number of the hits were legitimate uses of "be cause" instead of "because", but a very large number were cases where "because" was clearly intended. I can't think of any other big examples off the top of my head, but I do know there have been several times when I've found these typos spread across large numbers of resources.
Any thoughts?
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nice work to root that out with specific stats. i have often encountered what you have, but I don't have insight. I know people who mark their typos with specific highlighting to note when/if it is corrected, and months (years, in some cases) it is not. I don't know Logos' parameters for if/when they get fixed.
I wonder if you emailed customerservice@logos.com if they could get an answer for you? If they do, post it back here ,maybe, for the rest of the member ship of logos users. it would take a level of stress out of our minis try and allow us to devote more to disciple ship . . . [;)]
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Dan DeVilder said:
I know people who mark their typos with specific highlighting to note when/if it is corrected, and months (years, in some cases) it is not.
Yeah, I've seen Rosie's comments that she does that. I haven't gone that far yet, though I probably should since I know that there have probably been cases where I've reported the same typo more than once.
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Ron Keyston Jr said:
though I probably should since I know that there have probably been cases where I've reported the same typo more than once.
lol, me too!
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Here we go, I found a pretty extensive one:
"them selves" (and I can't find where that has ever been considered correct, even in an archaic sense)
I've looked through these to make sure they are all legitimate typos...I weeded out instances of "them [selves]" and similar:
- Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volumes II, IV, and X (1x each)
- 1x in Apocrypha of the Old Testament
- 1x in the Apocryphal New Testament
- 1x in The Arthur Pink Anthology
- 1x in Baker New Testament Commentary: Acts
- 2x in Beginning Biblical Hebrew
- 1x in The Big Book on Small Groups
- 17x (!!) in Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels (this resource seems to occur frequently in my typo searches)
- 1x in Enhanced Strong's Lexicon
- 2x in EBC Volume 1
- 5x in EBC Volume 8
- 2x in EBC Volume 10
- 3x in EBC Volume 12
- 1x in Boice - Genesis Volume 1
- 1x in Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar
- 1x in God, Revelation and Authority
- 1x in UBS Handbook on Deuteronomy
- 2x in UBS Handbook on Proverbs
- 1x in History of Interpretation
- 1x in History of the Christian Church
- 1x in Horae Homileticae Volume 9
- 1x in Horae Homileticae Volume 12
- 1x in Lightfoot's Apostolic Fathers in English
- 1x in Matthew Henry
- 1x in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Volume III
- 1x in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Volume XI
- 3-4x in 3 volumes of Barnes' Notes
- 1x in each of 6 volumes of Pulpit Commentary
- 1x in CCGNT Ephesians
- 1x in Semeia 39
- 1x in Semeia 51
- 1x in Hodge's Systematic Theology
- 1x in TDNT
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my favorite typo was suggested by Todd in this thread. If you do a search for the word "modem" you would think that in a library such as Logos it shouldn't come back with too many hits... but it does! Everyone seems to want to talk about modem history. Who cares about "modern".
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To simplify error reporting in this type of case you can send an email to logos4feedback@logos.com (and quote this thread).
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
To simplify error reporting in this type of case you can send an email to logos4feedback@logos.com (and quote this thread).
Thanks for the tip Dave! That's definitely a lot easier than reporting them one by one [:)]
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Has any one checked a dead tree version? Were these words that got split in the original between lines? If you used the word "them-
selves" near the end of a line it might have been hyphenated.
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I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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David Ames said:
Has any one checked a dead tree version? Were these words that got split in the original between lines? If you used the word "them-
selves" near the end of a line it might have been hyphenated.
I think this is the answer for most of these errors. It may particularly occur if Logos has obtained the text from a publisher in PDF format. If you copy from a PDF to another program the soft (end-of-line) hyphens are discarded and often replaced with spaces. I have to correct these on regular basis when converting a paper brochure into a website.
I did check a few cases in the Expositors' Bible Commentary, and such errors are generally due to soft hyphens.
"modem history" seems to be a different problem and typical of what might expect with optical-character-recognition software. However, I have read in previous threads that Logos always double-types documents rather than using OCR. Perhaps this one occurs in texts that have not been prepared by Logos itself.
Much as I love Logos, I do find it frustrating and disappointing that they publish books with so many errors like this. A trained copy-editor or proof-reader would pick these up in no time. Many books also contain incorrectly directed hyperlinks, which again have apparently have been inserted automatically and have not been checked by someone who has attempted to see if the text and its markup make sense.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect from a digital publisher the same standards as we expect from paper publishers—perhaps the occasional error in a book, but not these same kinds of errors repeated again and again.
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Jonathan Pitts said:
Much as I love Logos, I do find it frustrating and disappointing that they publish books with so many errors like this. A trained copy-editor or proof-reader would pick these up in no time. ... I don't think it is unreasonable to expect from a digital publisher the same standards as we expect from paper publishers
Well, I personally think that paper publishers don't use trained copy-editors much these days - they work with Word-based manuscripts and run through spell checkers (which will not be able to detect the errors pointed out in this thread). You'll find lots and lots of errors in paper books. I think that we are more likely to spot these errors when we are actually working with the electronic text than by reading on paper - our brain (mis-)guides us. Our eyes can't see the the difference between modem and modern on a printed page better than an OCR scanner does, but as we expect to read about modern history instead of telecommunication, we don't feel disturbed by the need to decide whether there are two characters r and n or just an m.
What bugs me more than the existence of these typos is the point that the process to correct known errors is too slow.
Mick
Have joy in the Lord!
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Jonathan Pitts said:
Much as I love Logos, I do find it frustrating and disappointing that they publish books with so many errors like this. A trained copy-editor or proof-reader would pick these up in no time. Many books also contain incorrectly directed hyperlinks, which again have apparently have been inserted automatically and have not been checked by someone who has attempted to see if the text and its markup make sense.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect from a digital publisher the same standards as we expect from paper publishers—perhaps the occasional error in a book, but not these same kinds of errors repeated again and again.
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NewbieMick said:What bugs me more than the existence of these
typos is the point that the process to correct known errors is too
slow.That too... [Y]
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The other thing that bugs me about many of these typos are that words like ministry, discipleship, and membership are words that we ARE likely to search our libraries for...but these instances would be missed because of the silly space.
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Ron Keyston Jr said:Dave Hooton said:
To simplify error reporting in this type of case you can send an email to logos4feedback@logos.com (and quote this thread).
Thanks for the tip Dave! That's definitely a lot easier than reporting them one by one
Easier for you, maybe! [;)]
I received your e-mail. I'm not sure of the cause of this sort of typo or if it can be fixed systematically or not, but I'll pass your findings on and see if it can.
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Tonya J Ross said:
I'm not sure of the cause of this sort of typo
Most likely this is a scanning error related to hyphenated words.
Tonya J Ross said:or if it can be fixed systematically or not
It will probably require manual fixing, but using the search parameters mentioned above, it shouldn't be too hard to find the problem locations. Tedious, probably, but not difficult. (IMHO, of course, I'm not a proof-reader.)
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Tonya J Ross said:Ron Keyston Jr said:Dave Hooton said:
To simplify error reporting in this type of case you can send an email to logos4feedback@logos.com (and quote this thread).
Thanks for the tip Dave! That's definitely a lot easier than reporting them one by one
Easier for you, maybe!
I received your e-mail. I'm not sure of the cause of this sort of typo or if it can be fixed systematically or not, but I'll pass your findings on and see if it can.
Thanks Tonya!
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Ron Keyston Jr said:
"them selves" (and I can't find where that has ever been considered correct, even in an archaic sense)
Them selves, them selves gonna walk around,
Them selves, them selves gonna walk around,
Them selves, them selves gonna walk around.
Now hear the word of the Lord.george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I've also run into common typos resulting from the "opposite" problem of two common words missing a space between them. For example, I just ran into "ofthe" in the new NAC Hebrews volume. A quick search in my library revealed 79 hits in 45 resources. I sent an e-mail to the feedback address.
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Looks like no space was added when two lines became one [End of line error]
As in line one 'do you know what became of' << no space here
line two 'the book he had?'
After OCR 'do you know what became ofthe book he had?' << end up with the word 'ofthe'
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