Lion Full Screen capability in Logos 4 Mac
I'm sure this has been asked already but I cannot find the thread. Is it possible to code provision for Lion's Full Screen Apps into Logos 4 Mac. Is this in the pipeline and if so, when might we see it released? This would be a hugely useful feature for my 13" MacBook Pro.
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James you bring up an interesting point with your MBP. When I first heard what Apple was doing with Lion I figured it was a bit uppity of them to provide a new way to navigate that software companies would have to adjust to. Then I realized this is where most if not all Apple products are trending. Its not so much a cool option or feature as it is quickly becoming a reality for anything Mac.
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Hi Paul, but Apple have provided the API's for this feature which amount to a couple of lines of code which developers can simply incorporate into their apps. These API's will not affect users of previous versions of OS X so it's not really that uppity is it? Let's face it, the more screen space you get for Logos the better. On my desktop it's glorious. But the limited space of notebooks makes it a little cluttered, even if you make use of Spaces.
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I would definitely like to see it too. More for the fact I'm so sick of my current mouse and mouse pad and would like to see what Logos could make of all the multi-touch/swipe capabilities in Mac.
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James Waddell said:
I'm sure this has been asked already but I cannot find the thread. Is it possible to code provision for Lion's Full Screen Apps into Logos 4 Mac. Is this in the pipeline and if so, when might we see it released? This would be a hugely useful feature for my 13" MacBook Pro.
We use uservoice to help us gauge customer demand for features. There's a suggestion for full screen mode (http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/2091631-logos-4-mac-enhancements?ref=title) that nearly has enough votes to put it on the first page.
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Thanks David, have voted. Anyone else wanting Full Screen capability for Logos in Lion vote here:
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Logos User Voice suggestion => Logos 4 Mac Enhancements is now ranked # 19 (on first page of Top suggestions) with 157 votes.
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Since the iphone app highlighting and note-taking function is already started all the people who voted for it should take their votes from that and transfer them to Mac enhancement.
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I have just successfully added fullscreen support for my Logos 4 Mac. It involves Terminal, a file, and 2-3 minutes of your time. I followed this guide to the letter and it seems to be working like a charm. What I love is that my Bible study is now completely unhindered by any distractions. I've included a screen shot.
One thing I noticed is that if you are in fullscreen and then select a Layout, your window goes funky while it loads. So it's best to get your initial search already done and then go fullscreen.
UPDATE: Just change the MainWindow.nib, none of the others seem to matter.
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Wow, if its that easy Logos, there's no reason not to do this.
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Mike Boorman said:
One thing I noticed is that if you are in fullscreen and then select a Layout, your window goes funky while it loads. So it's best to get your initial search already done and then go fullscreen.
UPDATE: Just change the MainWindow.nib, none of the others seem to matter.
Mike - Did your "update" change the "funky" window behavior?
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David Mitchell said:James Waddell said:
I'm sure this has been asked already but I cannot find the thread. Is it possible to code provision for Lion's Full Screen Apps into Logos 4 Mac. Is this in the pipeline and if so, when might we see it released? This would be a hugely useful feature for my 13" MacBook Pro.
We use uservoice to help us gauge customer demand for features. There's a suggestion for full screen mode (http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/2091631-logos-4-mac-enhancements?ref=title) that nearly has enough votes to put it on the first page.
The BEST software companies take every advantage of the system OS to give the very best experience to their customers. Seems like a no-brainer.
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Dan Giese said:
The BEST software companies take every advantage of the system OS to give the very best experience to their customers. Seems like a no-brainer.
Logos is currently maintaining compatibility for 3 versions of Mac OS X: Leopard, Snow Leopard, and Lion that are being used by various Logos 4 Mac customers. Snow Leopard added => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Central_Dispatch (not yet implemented in Logos 4 Mac):
On 18 Jul 2011, David Mitchell's reply => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/35618/269435.aspx#269435 included:
David Mitchell said:It is quite simple to use Grand Central Dispatch from Logos 4. The primary reason that we have not done so is that we still support Leopard, which does not have Grand Central Dispatch. Approximately 7% of our active Mac users are on Leopard. When a considerable number of them have upgraded, we'll consider dropping support and using newer technologies.
Follow-up reply on 1 Nov 2011 => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/35618/301512.aspx#301512
David Mitchell said:I'm aware of the user adoption rates of Lion, not only in the wild , but also among users of Logos 4 (which, arguably, is a more important figure). We're certainly getting closer to the day when we won't feel the need to continue supporting Leopard, but that day isn't tomorrow.
Observation: Snow Leopard removed PowerPC code from Mac OS X system folder, can still run Rosetta for PowerPC programs. Also remember Snow Leopard noticeably improving Mac OS X performance across many programs. Since Snow Leopard (10.6) was released in Aug 2009, anticipate Leopard (10.5) usage to diminish over time (may take many years). Looking at http://www.powermax.com/preowned_macs noticed OS X Tiger (10.4) and OS X Panther (10.3) installed on some Mac models available for purchase; OS X Panther was released in Oct 2003 (bit over 8 years ago).
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Logos is currently maintaining compatibility for 3 versions of Mac OS X: Leopard, Snow Leopard, and Lion that are being used by various Logos 4 Mac customers. Snow Leopard added => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Central_Dispatch (not yet implemented in Logos 4 Mac):
This is where Logos is arguably making a rod for its own back.
Had we been presented with a working equivalent of the Windows based program and the Libronix offering then the developers would have been able to draw a line with the engine and say this is the version of Logos that works on Leopard and only bugs will be fixed, this is the version of Logos that works on Snow Leopard and only bugs will be fixed, this is the latest version of Logos that is being developed with the latest version of Mac OS in mind and is the version that will have new facilities added.
As it is the current version is still missing so many features and functionality that the company still has to fulfil its promise to provide for those who bought in on the first Alpha offering.
I am not impressed by the constant reference to 'User Voice' the priority should be for the developers to fulfil the original promise - 'a Mac Version of Logos built from the ground up to be a real Mac Program' (or words to that effect) users shouldn't have to vote for that promise to be fulfilled.
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Mike Binks said:
Logos is currently maintaining compatibility for 3 versions of Mac OS X: Leopard, Snow Leopard, and Lion that are being used by various Logos 4 Mac customers. Snow Leopard added => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Central_Dispatch (not yet implemented in Logos 4 Mac):
This is where Logos is arguably making a rod for its own back.
You are right, Mike. This, of course, is very "un-mac." Logos users, upgrade, already! [:)]
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It works! Loving it on my 13 Air.
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Sorry for the confusion. The MainWindow.nib is part of the original process. Hope that clears things up.
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Great to hear Ben! I just did 3+ hours of sermon prep yesterday afternoon and I can't tell you how awesome it was to have a full window of just Logos with my Bible and notebook in front of me (old habits die hard).
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So does this have to be done after every update?Mike Boorman said:UPDATE: Just change the MainWindow.nib, none of the others seem to matter.
I used the SIMBL/Maximizer process once some time ago. But there were glitches that I don't remember. Is your method different/better?“... every day in which I do not
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Dewayne Davis said:
So does this have to be done after every update?
Yes, until Logos incorporates OS X Lion full screen in application bundle.
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Yep, every update for now. On the bright side, after a half dozen or more updates you'll be flying across the keys and have the switch done in no time. [;)]
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Mike Boorman said:
Yep, every update for now. On the bright side, after a half dozen or more updates you'll be flying across the keys and have the switch done in no time.
Bit more ambitious option is scripting update (so can install Logos 4 Mac update, then run script).
Wonder if defaults command could be used to add appropriate 128 value in XML file ?
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Thanks Mike ... a really useful modification ... really glad that I came out of Beta before the last round.
I am am pleased with the extra real estate but it is marginal ... what I love though is that biblical people now loads as a full screen in a new space next to my main window ... a simple swipe between my reading and my background info ... a full screen biblical people (places/things) with all of its graphical content ... is a joy.
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[:)] Thanks Mike ... ,
I got mine done too. I found the MainWindow.nib under
"/Logos Bible Software 4.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj" folder
JK
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I've put my vote on that feature request site, but I think this needs a little more steam. I'm sure there's a formula for this concept, but for every person that yelps, there's probably 20 that just don't for one reason or another.
Wilson Hines
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Just added my three votes.
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Anyone who has Applescript experience able to write a script to do this?
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Cliff Diamond said:
Anyone who has Applescript experience able to write a script to do this?
Check the bottom of this article (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/07/25/hackinations-making-any-os-x-app-full-screenable-in-lion/). It says,
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UPDATE: If you don't mind installing SIMBL, a system level bundle loader, you can check out chpwn's well-received maximizer app as well. SIMBL allows you to enhance existing applications with new functionality and features.
It's not an apply script, but I am pretty sure that this will keep you from having to run through the re-setup every time you update Logos.
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Jonathan said:Cliff Diamond said:
Anyone who has Applescript experience able to write a script to do this?
Check the bottom of this article (http://www.tuaw.com/2011/07/25/hackinations-making-any-os-x-app-full-screenable-in-lion/). It says,
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UPDATE: If you don't mind installing SIMBL, a system level bundle loader, you can check out chpwn's well-received maximizer app as well. SIMBL allows you to enhance existing applications with new functionality and features.
It's not an apply script, but I am pretty sure that this will keep you from having to run through the re-setup every time you update Logos.
Actually this does work across updates (at least from 4.5a Beta 3 to Beta 4).
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Dewayne Davis said:
So does this have to be done after every update?
Yes, until Logos incorporates OS X Lion full screen in application bundle.
Keep Smiling
Yes - its a shame Tom (or someone) won't do it once and for all - for all of us.
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I gotta say...the majority of apps that are being used on the Mac now allow for full-screen capability in Lion. It's ridiculous that Logos has not enabled this yet. I have spent some good money on this program and something as trivial as full-screen still isn't enabled? Extremely frustrating. I use full-screen for just about everything I use, but not Logos.
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Joshua Yates said:
It's ridiculous that Logos has not enabled this yet.
I agree that I want full screen and other Lion features. It seems to me that one of the reasons given for lack of implementation is that Logos still supports users of OLDER versions of OSX.
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I'm about 99% sure that enabling the new Lion features doesn't have to break backwards compatibility.
I'm not too worried, I'm happy enough with the workarounds, but it would definitely be nice. I'm actually more excited about gestures than fullscreen.
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It's likely that Logos will continue to fall behind in regards to OS X development and its new features.
The new version of Lion will be out this summer with functionality focused on Cloud and IOS features.
I am not sure how many of the API's that are available for the cloud are really available to developers at this point, further pushing things behind the curve.
The multi-device sync and messaging functionality in OS/X as it evolves could perhaps give Logos Developers a path to solving some of the current issues with multi-device support.
As it is Logos cannot keep pace to utilize the hardware or software features that continue to evolve this eco-system.
Keeping pace is of course not an end in and of itself, as the bottom line is we all buy and use Logos for it's application functionality. In that regard it is just awesome!!
Just my opinion
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You're right, Larry. Logos can't handle the pace that OSX advances. We must all just assume that Logos will be way behind all over software development. If you can't abide that, you are best to get off the train now because there is nothing that points to them suddenly being able to do this.
BTW if you are frustrated with the progress of Logos 4 Mac try using the iOS app and then fire up an Android Device and use the Android app. The iOS app is so far ahead of Android that I don't think they can see the Android devs in the rear view mirror any more.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
You're right, Larry. Logos can't handle the pace that OSX advances. We must all just assume that Logos will be way behind all over software development. If you can't abide that, you are best to get off the train now because there is nothing that points to them suddenly being able to do this.
I don't know about that. The company I work at is going through a somewhat similar software development process - we had an old system that was pretty clunky but people were used to, now we've replaced it with a new one that's much better under the hood and has some really nice new functionality, but there's still stuff that people miss from the old one. We're just now getting to the point where the new system has feature parity with the old, and it's amazing how much that's accelerated our ability to add functionality that is actually new and exciting.
My prediction (or maybe just my hope, we'll see): L4 will take about another year to be feature complete (sermon files, robust syncing including PBs, etc.), then the next six months will be spent smashing out all the remaining bugs and optimizing performance. After that, we'll probably hit L5, which will build on that solid base to add cool new functionality and, yes, keep up with new APIs made available by Apple. Because they have a large number of users who I suspect upgrade their hardware rather infrequently, Logos will never be right on the cutting edge, but I absolutely see them keeping pace with the industry.
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mitchellisdumb said:
After that, we'll probably hit L5, which will build on that solid base to add cool new functionality and, yes, keep up with new APIs made available by Apple
If they follow past patterns, L5 will likely be a totally new rewrite introduce a who new set of problems.
I don't see how anyone can observe the L4 track record and think that Logos will suddenly be able to accelerate and keep up. They've never been able to do that on Mac yet.
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My point is that the L4 track record has been a development team creating a platform from scratch. When you're doing that, you just flat out don't have the resources to do much more than the basics. Once that platform is finished, however, those development resources that have been focused on creating the engine and underlying elements will be freed up to work on optimization and modernization.
If you're right about L5 being a complete rewrite then yes, we'll be back to square one, but unless Bob Pritchett has completely lost his mind I don't think that's going to happen.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
L5 will likely be a totally new rewrite
It is my understanding from a recent post from Bob, that L5 will NOT be from scratch like L4 was.
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alabama24 said:
It is my understanding from a recent post from Bob, that L5 will NOT be from scratch like L4 was.
Which is understandable, but also in some ways unfortunate. I understand the reason for building Logos 4 Mac on Mono, but it will forever be a stepchild product. And I know one response from Logos has been that many of the quirks of the Mac version are on the UI end, not the part under Mono, but whatever the reason, Logos 4 Mac has always fallen short of the PC version, despite claims of parity.
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There's a way to get full screen in Logos without going through the trouble of using the terminal.
Check this link: http://osxdaily.com/2011/07/22/enable-full-screen-support-all-apps-os-x-lion-maximizer/
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Thanks for the link. It seems a shame though that even with the hard work done for them that logos cannot add this basic functionality into their 'built from the ground up for the mac' program.
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For those that have already upgrade to Logos 5: so, was this taken care of?
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Jacques said:
For those that have already upgrade to Logos 5: so, was this taken care of?
Yep. [:)]
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