ESV Apocrypha
http://www.amazon.com/English-Standard-Version-Bible-Apocrypha/dp/0195289102
The English Standard Version Bible with the Apocrypha, for
which the Apocrypha has been commissioned by Oxford University Press,
employs the same methods and guidelines used by the original translators
of the ESV, to produce for the first time an ESV Apocrypha. This will
be the only ESV with Apocrypha available anywhere, and it includes all
of the books and parts of books in the Protestant Apocrypha, the
Catholic Old Testament, and the Old Testament as used in Orthodox
Christian churches.
Let's get this on pre-pub!
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An ESV Apocrypha would be useful if it came complete with (reverse) interlinear.
I suspect there are many who would be interested if it was morphologically tagged, as this gives us considerably more information about how particular Greek lemmas were used in the 2nd temple period. (Currently I tend to use the NRSV + Lexham LXX Interlinear together for this kind of study.)
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Allen Browne said:
An ESV Apocrypha would be useful if it came complete with (reverse) interlinear.
I suspect there are many who would be interested if it was morphologically tagged, as this gives us considerably more information about how particular Greek lemmas were used in the 2nd temple period. (Currently I tend to use the NRSV + Lexham LXX Interlinear together for this kind of study.)
Your post made me wonder if Logos had a reverse interlinear for the Apocrypha.
Then I found this in the pre-pubs...
http://www.logos.com/product/7130/english-greek-reverse-interlinear-of-the-nrsv-apocryphal-texts
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There are several translations for which Logos has provided only the short canon version. I've suggested previously to Logos that they provide the longest canon available for each version - and I hope they'll oblige. But I'll admit to being torn on priorities - complete current translations or add missing translations.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I'm another one who would be theologically stoked to see ESV Apocyrpha on Logos.
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M. Scott Bashoor said:
I'm another one who would be theologically stoked to see ESV Apocyrpha on Logos.
If Logos publishes the Lutheran Study Bible on the Apocrypha, they'll have to publish the ESV apocrypha as that is the version that the study ible is based on/
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I'd like to see the ESV apocrypha on pre-pub.
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MJ. Smith said:M. Scott Bashoor said:
I'm another one who would be theologically stoked to see ESV Apocyrpha on Logos.
If Logos publishes the Lutheran Study Bible on the Apocrypha, they'll have to publish the ESV apocrypha as that is the version that the study ible is based on/
ideally yes, but Logos often if not usually publishes study notes without Bible text. As was pointed out in another link, Even though Catholic RSV and Vulgate are in the Navarre Bible Commentaries no Bible texts will be coming with them. Logos could simply say these are study notes here they are, no base text. Now if they did them up fully like the print book, say Preacher's Commentary (or Daily Study Bible) style, you would have the full text. albeit broken up in their logical portions. But I am of the thought, it would be treated like the majority of the study Bibles. study notes only. Although http://cyberbrethren.com/2010/04/13/the-lutheran-study-bible-in-logos-format-is-now-available/ confirms the CDROM had the ESV included with it I do not see it listed on the Logos website saying one way or another.
I am looking forward to seeing it on PrePUb someday soon though (God willing)...
-dan
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Note: I have just made a suggestion re: base texts and commentaries/Bible notes asking that Logos gives us the link between the notes and the version that the notes are based on. I would hope that customer "outrage" would force Logos to provide the remainder of the ESV when they carry the Lutheran notes to it.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I add my vote to getting the ESV Apocrypha on pre-pub!
Are there any updates on this?
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Please add my vote also to getting the ESV Apocrypha on pre-pub!
Better yet, as an UPDATE of existing ESV resource so owners of Logos ESV can get it automatically !
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John R. Gentry said:
I add my vote to getting the ESV Apocrypha on pre-pub!
Are there any updates on this?
I suggested this a year and a half ago now. Sadly, nothing to report on yet. C'mon Logos!!
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Paul Budiardjo said:
Better yet, as an UPDATE of existing ESV resource so owners of Logos ESV can get it automatically !
Very different publishers control the ESV and the ESV Apocrypha… In the past Oxford University Press has been more than difficult to deal with to the extent items under contract have simply disappeared in the past before ever being completed. There is hope we might get it as a couple of their study Bibles have just recently made it to pre pub ordering stages but I have my doubts OUP would allow Logos to just give away the ESVA out of the kindness of their hearts to complete things. But I will say it is a very nice idea.
-Dan
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Paul Budiardjo said:
Better yet, as an UPDATE of existing ESV resource so owners of Logos ESV can get it automatically !
Very different publishers control the ESV and the ESV Apocrypha… In the past Oxford University Press has been more than difficult to deal with to the extent items under contract have simply disappeared in the past before ever being completed. There is hope we might get it as a couple of their study Bibles have just recently made it to pre pub ordering stages but I have my doubts OUP would allow Logos to just give away the ESVA out of the kindness of their hearts to complete things. But I will say it is a very nice idea.
-Dan
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Josh said:
I suggested this a year and a half ago now. Sadly, nothing to report on yet. C'mon Logos!!
I am very glad you did too, but no news isn't always bad news, from what i have heard in the past from Logos and other companies getting rights to something is sort of like watching a glacier move… almost imperceptible but it may be happening and as the old phrase went "Loose lips sink ships" would hate to have the deal ruined because somebody said something the other side didm;t like causing them to pick up their marbles and go home.
-Dan
PS:I realize there wasn't a need to reply to your disheartened reply but thought some traffic on the thread might help draw Logos attention...
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I hereby add my vote again to get ESV Apocrypha. The RSV (on which it seems to be based) has got too many archaisms.
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YesM. Scott Bashoor said:I hereby add my vote again to get ESV Apocrypha. The RSV (on which it seems to be based) has got too many archaisms.
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M. Scott Bashoor said:
I hereby add my vote again to get ESV Apocrypha. The RSV (on which it seems to be based) has got too many archaisms.
I know. It's going on two years since I requested this. [:(]
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Peace! *smile*
I don't think it will be too much longer. This version from Concordia Publishing House has the ESV apocrypha and is now under development... Price is pretty good also, eh???
http://www.logos.com/product/28436/the-apocrypha-the-lutheran-edition-with-notes
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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M. Scott Bashoor said:
I hereby add my vote again to get ESV Apocrypha. The RSV (on which it seems to be based) has got too many archaisms.
It should be coming…. The Apocrypha: The Lutheran Edition with Notes is being developed and it is ESV based. Not quite as good as integration into the ESV text but better than nothing.
-dan
PS: Who knows maybe it will come with an integrated ESV but doubt it somehow...
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Peace! *smile*
I feel so slow in entering things… glad to see I wasn't the only one to pipe up on the frothing coming book… Even if it took me longer than needed to respond… I am easily distracted….
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:M. Scott Bashoor said:
I hereby add my vote again to get ESV Apocrypha. The RSV (on which it seems to be based) has got too many archaisms.
It should be coming…. The Apocrypha: The Lutheran Edition with Notes is being developed and it is ESV based. Not quite as good as integration into the ESV text but better than nothing.
-dan
PS: Who knows maybe it will come with an integrated ESV but doubt it somehow...
I wonder if the ESV text can be used independently of the Lutheran notes? The format looks like a study bible - all my study bibles on Logos just have the notes. I'd be interested in knowing how this one will formatted.
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Josh said:
I wonder if the ESV text can be used independently of the Lutheran notes? The format looks like a study bible - all my study bibles on Logos just have the notes. I'd be interested in knowing how this one will formatted.
I have no crystal ball but in same way many commentaries retain the Biblical text i would suspect this one might too since it is based on a text not available for sale in Logos. To me it would be similar to Logos excising the text from the hermeneia commentary on Enoch. Yes there are other translations of it in Logos but not that one that is being quoted on. If someone from Logos is here maybe they have more info on how this text is being done.
-Dan
PS:Seeing as Logos has added in a lot of OUP things in the past few months maybe the actually full text might be coming from them but no idea...
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*smile*
Did you notice who wrote some of the "Praise for the Print Edition"! Wow! Several very accomplished authors indeed!
Praise for the Print Edition
The introductions are superbly well written and engaging. One can see how the Apocrypha . . . bridges the ‘Old’ Testament with the ‘New’ Testament. Highly recommended, as Athanasius said in 367 ‘for instruction in the word of godliness.’
—James H. Charlesworth, George L. Collord Professor of New Testament Language and Literature, Princeton University
One of the most ambitious projects dealing with the Apocrypha ever undertaken. . . . it is also replete with scholarly notes and commentary to assist the reader—lay or professional—in every way possible.
—From the foreword by Rev. Paul L. Maier, The Russell H. Seibert Professor of Ancient History, Western Michigan University
This book provides a well-balanced blend of sound scholarship and religious beliefs on the Apocrypha, especially those of Luther and the Lutherans. The reader will find all the necessary background information on the Apocrypha in an attractive presentation, as well as religious guidance for instruction and preaching. A wealth of introductory essays and appendixes make this a very useful compendium.
—Emanuel Tov, J. L. Magnes Professor of Bible, Hebrew University
The introduction includes explanation of what the books of the Apocrypha are, what their value is, and a concise overview of history from Persian rule to Roman rule. Next come judicious commentaries on the several books of the Apocrypha, followed by 10 appendices that provide readers with additional related information concerning such things as the Dead Sea Scrolls, the writings of Josephus, rabbinic literature, and New Testament Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha. What a treasure trove! This marvelous commentary belongs in the study of every student and scholar of the Bible.
—Craig A. Evans, Payzant Distinguished Professor of New Testament, Acadia Divinity College
An outstanding work of scholarship that provides a welcome service to Lutherans and, indeed, to Christians of other traditions interested in reading and studying these fascinating and often entertaining writings, which the great Luther himself deemed ‘useful and good to read.’ A thoughtfully edited and attractively produced volume, it includes many unique features and has the fullest annotations of any comparable study edition. In all, this is a monumental achievement and valuable resource for scholars, students, and lay people alike.
—Daniel C. Harlow, Professor of Religion, Calvin College
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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