Help deciphering the contents of SESB please

OK... with my Christmas credit gained, I am planning on getting the SESB 3 (since holding out for SESB 4 seems a lost cause). My main purpose is of course to acquire the critical apparatuses. I own the Platinum base package, so a lot of the actual resources I already own. My question relates to whether I need the $180 (18 volume) version, or the $325 (52 volume) version.

1. I have no need for the foreign language bibles.

2. The Gospel of Thomas in the Coptic and Greek is of interest, but not if that is my ONLY advantage of getting the more expensive one.

So, I know the critical apparatuses are in both. But I am unsure if the rest of the contents of the cheaper package...

Scholarly Bible and Critical Apparatuses

BHS Apparatus Criticus
Biblia Hebraica Quinta
Biblia Hebraica Quinta: Apparatus Criticus
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: SESB 2.0 Version
Biblia Sacra Vulgata (Apparatus)
Biblia Sacra Vulgata (SESB)
Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece Editio XXVII
Nestle-Aland: NTG Apparatus Criticus
Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus
Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus (Alternate Texts)
Septuaginta: SESB Edition
Septuaginta: SESB Edition (Alternate Texts)
The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with apparatus)

Dictionaries and Lexicons

The Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament
A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, Revised Edition
Wörterbuch zum Alten Testament: Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Deutsch und Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Englisch

...are the same as those contained in the dearer one... as they are listed kind of differently...

Original Language Editions

Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia with text critical apparatus and linguistic WIVU database
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: Workgroep Informatica Constituency Tree Analysis
Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) fascicles Deuteronomy, Megilloth, Esther, Ezra, Nehemiah, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations
Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) text critical apparatus
Novum Testamentum Graece (Nestle-Aland, 27th edition)
Novum Testamentum Graece (Nestle-Aland, 27th edition) with text critical apparatus and mophological Gramcord database
The Greek New Testament (UBS edition) with text critical apparatus, cross reference apparatus and segmentation apparatus
Septuagint/Greek Old Testament (eds. Rahlfs/Hanhart, editio altera)

Septuagint/Greek Old Testament (eds. Rahlfs/Hanhart, editio altera) with text critical apparatus and morphological CATSS database
Vulgate/Latin Bible, (5th edition, eds. Weber/Gryson)
Vulgate/Latin Bible, (5th edition, eds. Weber/Gryson) text critical apparatus
Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio
Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
The Gospel According to Thomas in Coptic
The Gospel According to Thomas in Greek
The Gospel According to Thomas in English
The Gospel According to Thomas in German
The Apostolic Fathers (ed. Lightfoot) in Greek and English

Dictionaries and Reference Works

A Hebrew/Aramaic-English and Hebrew/Aramaic-German Dictionary of the Old Testament (ed. WIVU), by Bosman, Oosting, Postma
A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, by Lust, Eynikel, and Hauspie
A Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament, by B.M. Newman
Kleines Wörterbuch zum Neuen Testament Griechisch-Deutsch, by R. Kassühlke
A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by B. Metzger
A Textual Guide on the Greek New Testament, by R. Omanson
The Gospel of Thomas: Original Text with Commentary (English and German), by U.-K. Plisch
WiBiLex-Keyword-Index, by Koenen, Bauks

Would the dearer option give me more of the original language options? Other than the foreign language bibles and the texts of the Gospel of Thomas, what extras can you see in the $325 option?

Thank you for anyone with the knowledge to shed some light on this for me.

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BKMitchell

Here are the 18 volumes in the cheaper Logos edition of the SESB:

BHS
Apparatus Criticus
Biblia
Hebraica Quinta
Biblia
Hebraica Quinta: Apparatus Criticus
Biblia
Hebraica Stuttgartensia: SESB 2.0 Version
Biblia
Sacra Vulgata (Apparatus)
Biblia
Sacra Vulgata (SESB)
Biblia
Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
Nestle-Aland
Novum Testamentum Graece Editio XXVII
Nestle-Aland:
NTG Apparatus Criticus
Septuaginta:
Apparatus Criticus
Septuaginta:
Apparatus Criticus (Alternate Texts)
Septuaginta:
SESB Edition
Septuaginta:
SESB Edition (Alternate Texts)
The Greek New Testament,
Fourth Revised Edition
UBS GNT apparatus(actually part of the above rather than a separate resource)
The
Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament
A
Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, Revised Edition
Wörterbuch zum Alten
Testament: Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Deutsch und
Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Englisch

Notice, if you are at all interested in Hebrew Bible/OT research you might want to be aware that the cheaper edition of the SESB for Logos users won't give you access to the following important editions:

Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia with text critical apparatus and linguistic WIVU database
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: Workgroep Informatica Constituency Tree Analysis

But, WIVU currently works only in Logos Libronix 3.

Is Mebin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318473#Comment_318473

Thank you for this info!

BKMitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318683#Comment_318683

It, was my pleasure.

Personally, I think there is a lot of confusion going on around about the various packages of the SESB. Take a look at another on going thread about SESB; http://community.logos.com/forums/t/20705.aspx

Also, the SESB4 for Logos4 had been predicted to be released on November 15th, 2011. But, Dec is almost over and still no word on when or if it will be released anytime soon.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318739#Comment_318739

Also, the SESB4 for Logos4 had been predicted to be released on November 15th, 2011. But, Dec is almost over and still no word on when or if it will be released anytime soon.

It won't. See this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/41085.aspx

BKMitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318746#Comment_318746

It won't. See this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/41085.aspx

Thanks,

I also noticed this thread on the SESB as well:

http://www.sesb-austausch.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=225&s=e185931c790cad3a3a736009a21c520f9f6fe922

DMB

Agree with BKMitchall ... unless you want the WIVU database and constituency trees, the cheaper version is fine.

If you want the WIVU, you'll need Libronix3 since the customized search features weren't put in L4 (presumably due to the expected SESB4).

Additionally, don't know what computer you have, but the implementation of the constituency trees in L4 (at least on my PC) was an unbelievable hog. Lights dimmed, etc. Mainly due to how the mouseover event is handled, the popping windows is resource hungry.

In the cheaper version, the hebrew and LXX apparatus are VERY good ... not too much detail but enough to get to the issues. The alternative Gottingen apparatus are overwhelming. The NA27 apparatus is fine as well, but the UBS4 is a mouseover (not a separate resource). So on it you can't quickly glance at it (it primarily targets translation / formatting).

The LXX lexicon is 'thin' but surprisingly is periodically needed if you do much work in the LXX (the LSJ lexicon is more spread across the board for that time period).

Bottomline: really it depends on how deep you want to go in the hebrew (search and trees). If I remember right I ended up getting both (pretty dumb, I know).

Sam Henderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318776#Comment_318776

Two items you get in the full implementation of the SESB that aren't available in Logos' cut down version are:

A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by B. Metzger
A Textual Guide on the Greek New Testament, by R. Omanson

The Metzger commentary is a single volume which picks up, verse-by-verse, on the more important editorial decisions which were made by the NA27 committee. It's a standard tool which you might want to pick up in one form or another if you are doing text critical stuff. Unfortunately it's pretty terse and sometimes a bit cryptic in its annotation. The Omanson text (which a lot of Logos users won't be familiar with) goes over the same ground, but in a slightly more extended form and in more layman-friendly language.

Is Mebin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318853#Comment_318853

Yeah, I have Metzger (comes with platinum), but not Omanson.