Brennan Manning books in Logos or Vyrso

Matthew C Jones
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edited December 2024 in English Forum

Brennan Manning  has had quite an influence in the past decade because he is saying something most others do not. He has been criticized by both Catholics and Fundamentalists and everyone in between for his Gospel of God's unconditional love. If you are weary of hearing the health and wealth Gospel that all good Christians never have any problems, or that you have to get it together before God is interested in having a relationship with you, you might find Manning's message a welcome relief. If you like things neat and tidy and all sewn up doctrinaly, you may reject Manning's message as "too simplistic."  

If you like Thomas Merton, Toyohiko Kagawa, St. Francis of Assisi, or other contemplative writers, you will find Manning a worthwhile read. The one unique thing that stands out is how Manning's personal journey formed his life message. He has been through the hurt and self-rejection and discovered along the way how God already loves him as he is.

 

 

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  • George Somsel
    George Somsel Member Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭


    Brennan Manning  has had quite an influence in the past decade because he is saying something most others do not. He has been criticized by both Catholics and Fundamentalists and everyone in between for his Gospel of God's unconditional love. If you are weary of hearing the health and wealth Gospel that all good Christians never have any problems, or that you have to get it together before God is interested in having a relationship with you, you might find Manning's message a welcome relief. If you like things neat and tidy and all sewn up doctrinaly, you may reject Manning's message as "too simplistic."  

    I've never read Manning, but it rather sounds as though he must be rather Augustinian and therefore Calvinistic.  It is God who cares for his creation and has come to us in grace and love in order to make known his love to us.  There is nothing particularly new in this though it is possible that he expresses it in a manner which reaches the reader.

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    יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

  • Matthew C Jones
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    I've never read Manning, but it rather sounds as though he must be rather Augustinian and therefore Calvinistic.

    At the risk of angering some, I liken Manning to an unpolished John Piper. While Piper is a very accomplished messenger of many deep doctrines, Manning is a simple Gospel tract to the hurting and down-trodden in the street. 

    “The gospel of grace nullifies our adulation of televangelists, charismatic superstars, and local church heroes. It obliterates the two-class citizenship theory operative in many American churches. For grace proclaims the awesome truth that all is gift. All that is good is ours, not by right, but by the sheer bounty of a gracious God.”  ― Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out

    Other quotes can be found here


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  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    New on Vyrso:



    And this one seems to have been already there:


    I've never read Manning, but it rather sounds as though he must be rather Augustinian and therefore Calvinistic.

    I suspect Augustine would object to the claim that he's "Calvinistic", as would, presumably, all the Augustinian nuns, sisters, friars and canons regular out there. [:P]

    As for Manning, he too seems to be Catholic. An ex-priest and an ex-Franciscan, but still Catholic from all I can find.

     

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  • Matthew C Jones
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    fgh said:

    I suspect Augustine would object to the claim that he's "Calvinistic", as would, presumably, all the Augustinian nuns, sisters, friars and canons regular out there. Stick out tongue

    I would probably agree with all of them. Manning describes himself as he sees himself to be. He is quick to admit he has fallen desperately short of living up to what his ideals are. Just because he is an admitted hypocrite does not mean he does not believe what he says he believes. The part I find most interesting about him is how most groups he affiliates himself with seem to reject him as not being one of them. His last book; All is Grace: A Ragamuffin Memoir is a his life message distilled for all to see. Manning truly believes salvation is by nothing but grace. He remains a professing Catholic even though he was a priest, got married, got divorced, became a drunk and an "imposter."  Manning never promotes indulgences, the rosary or other works to cleanse one's self from sin. Fundamentalists who claim to be saved by grace alone judge Manning as a heretic because he lacks the works they believe all saved must display. Brennan Manning is going to be the living proof in Heaven that we are saved by nothing more than the grace of God. Everyone else will have to wonder if we didn't get there on our own good works and religiosity. 

    (Of course I don't believe we are earning our salvation.) 

    btw: I bought the three Manning books available in Vyrso. I am happy to see them and hope for more.

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  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    Super Tramp, thank you for pulling these various works together in one suggestion.  I would be surprised (except for that potential of pesky contract negotiations) if more don't appear sooner.  He is very influential and widely ready.

    In a similar vein, would love more Nouwen material, too.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Rosie Perera
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    These three are available in Vyrso now (with links adjusted to point to Vyrso.com):

    Looks like they're going right down your list in order and adding them.

  • Rosie Perera
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    In a similar vein, would love more Nouwen material, too.

    "more" Nouwen material? That implies there is some at all already, which there isn't. I would love any Nouwen material. And lots of it.

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    "more" Nouwen material? That implies there is some at all already

    it certainly does.

    which there isn't.

    there certainly is. 

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    I would love any Nouwen material. And lots of it.

    i certainly concur.

    In a similar vein, would love more Nouwen material, too.

    "more" Nouwen material? That implies there is some at all already, which there isn't. I would love any Nouwen material. And lots of it.

    and you certainly "got" me!  lol, I didn't think there was any, but i hadn't opened Logos to check . . . can't get nuttin' past ya.  [:)]

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "more" Nouwen material? That implies there is some at all already

    it certainly does.

    which there isn't.

    there certainly is. 

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    Oh my! Three quotes by him. I stand corrected. (I was kind of thinking you meant any substantial material by him, as in an entire book or chapter or even an article in a journal.)

    I don't have that resource anyway. What is it?

  • Friedrich
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    Oh my! Three quotes by him. I stand corrected.

    the offense will be overlooked.  [A][;)]

    (I was kind of thinking you meant any substantial material by him

    sooo, for you, "substantial" is quantitative and not qualitative?    [:O]

     

    I don't have that resource anyway. What is it?

    Zondervan.  1001 Quotations that Connect.

     

    I appreciate your sense of humor, Rosie.  I hope you know allllll of the above was in jest.  And I agree, I'd like WHOLE works by Nouwen.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭

     

    Just a little qualitative excerpt from All Is Grace:

    "One evening while at prayer, wrapped in those threads, I saw my entire life flash before me. This was not like my pretty dream; it was actually rather ugly. I saw my life as vitiated by pride, by the inordinate desire to be liked, loved, approved, applauded, and accepted. Even though I had done well in my desert classroom, my motives were peeled away to reveal complete self-centered yuck. Can you be a self-centered chicken-coop builder? Can a water carrier be stuck on himself? The answer I heard was a resounding and humbling “Yes!” That old desire to be liked reared its ugly head. I thought maybe I had grown beyond it or out of it, but I hadn’t. 

    I was devastated; everything felt Brennan-centered instead of Christ-focused. I felt like my life was a waste, and it made me physically sick. I stood from my ostensibly pious posture of prayer upon hearing an old voice: "He’ll never amount to much."...........

    ...."Brother Dominique Voillaume saw my exit from the chapel and asked me what happened. So I told him, told him everything, about my disgust with my own motives and my thoughts of walking away from it all. In that moment he said a powerful thing, a life-changing thing: “You are on the threshold of receiving the greatest grace of your life. You are discovering what it means to be poor in spirit. Brother Brennan, it’s okay not to be okay.” 

    My gut reaction was, This guy’s a loon. But then he led me to the first Beatitude as translated from the New English Bible:

       How blessed are those who know that they are poor, the kingdom of Heaven is theirs. ..........   "

    Brennan Manning and John Blase, All Is Grace: A Ragamuffin Memoir (Colorado Springs, CO: David C. Cook, 2011).

     

     

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  • Friedrich
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    Thanks, ST.  That is a great little vignette.  Our church is going through the beatitudes now, on our year-long trek through Matthew.  Fits right in with my devotional perspective.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Brennan Manning died today.

    Now would be a good time to buy some Brennan Manning (I just bought a couple more titles of his from Vyrso.com).

    Logos, could we please get Ragamuffin Gospel?

  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭

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  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭

    I was over at Vyrso and noticed some very good prices on Brennan Manning books. I can't be sure but it appears all but two of his books are offered at sale prices. I picked up several I did not have. Go over and check them HERE.

    Thank you, Dan Pritchett for a fitting Brennan Manning memoriam. [;)]

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  • fgh
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    Anyone from Logos who would like to tell us how long this promotion lasts?

    Anyone who wants to suggest what I should buy first?

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  • fgh
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    fgh said:

    Anyone from Logos who would like to tell us how long this promotion lasts?

    I just got an e-mail. Someone at Logos must have read my post, even though it's the middle of the night where they are[:D]:

    So hurry up, folks, you've only got until tomorrow.

    My second question still stands:

    fgh said:

    Anyone who wants to suggest what I should buy first?

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