In taking notes in the Old Testament I find that Logos 4 does not save the complete note. To keep from loosing the note I have to save to pages outside of Logos. Is there a limit to the size of the note files? Where is the note file saved?
Hi Stewart - and welcome to the forums
There is no limit that I am aware of - the actual notes are stored in a database (not in individual files)
I don't recall a problem of this type being reported before, can you provide any more details?
Thanks, Graham
Initially I did not have a problem until my note file became very large, then when I closed Logos and signed back in, the note file would not show the previous notes that I had typed. At this point I created another note file just for that book instead of trying to use one large file for all the notes. When I did this only the first couple of notes would be save and after that none of the notes type would be saved. If I started to take notes on Psalms only the first 25 words would be saved after that none would be.
Hi Stewart
Sounds very strange!
Need some of the Mac specialists to comment on this.
Just one thought - do you have a lot of free hard disk space or are you running out?
Graham
I have only about 10GB of free disk space.
Stewart - Please show a screen shot.
Try clicking on Full instead of Compact.
If fgh's suggestion of "Full" instead of "Compact" doesn't work, can you give another screenshot with the beginning of the note.
I found that changing to full did not solve my problem. Below is a screen shot.
Am I right in understanding that you have created a single note file with pages & pages of notes on Psalms? The note feature was not intended for such a purpose! You could probably get away with creating a note file for each Psalm itself, but not for the entire book.
A better solution for you might be to create a personal book using PBB.
That was my plan to have a single note file for the entire book of Psalms. I have created a note file for several old testament books also. These were combine into one note file, after I had done this them this problem occurred.
This personal book file is this created in Logos, I am not aware of such a process?
Personal Books are created using .docx files and are compiled within Logos. They are then fully searchable documents within Logos. I am on my iPhone... I'll try and explain more later. You could also try looking up PBB in the Logos Wiki.
This sounds like you create the book outside of Logos using a word processor then bring that book back into Logos using the PBB command. In reviewing the help on PBB I did not see Logos supporting pages.
While the notes function may not be intended for such heavy use, it's very disconcerting that notes are being lost! The right solution may be to create a Personal Book, but this should also be reported as a bug. I'd love for a developer to weigh in on this thread.
This sounds like you create the book outside of Logos using a word processor then bring that book back into Logos using the PBB command.
Yes. If you like to write within Logos, you could do what you are doing, but when you are finished for the day, cut and paste into your Word doc.
In reviewing the help on PBB I did not see Logos supporting pages.
Any program that creates .docx (which is the newer MSFT Word format) files can be used. You can use pages if you would like, but ultimately it will have to be exported to another program. I hope Apple releases an update to Pages soon which allows for this format!
By the way, there are free alternatives to Microsoft Word which can save .docx files, such as LibreOffice.
this should also be reported as a bug
Personally, I don't think so. Notes were not meant to write an essay or book… they were meant to create short notes. I would think that you are pushing it if you take your notes past a couple of pages.
I'd love for a developer to weigh in on this thread.
Bob said at one time that he doesn't want to create a "word processor." I'll see if I can find it.
this should also be reported as a bug Personally, I don't think so. Notes were not meant to write an essay or book… they were meant to create short notes. I would think that you are pushing it if you take your notes past a couple of pages.
I agree on the purpose of notes, but this is still a defect in the software. They don't need to develop a word processor here, the proper fix would be to make it fail gracefully: for example, a "your note is too long" error message while typing, rather than allowing the input and subsequently losing it.
My job is largely prioritizing bugs and enhancements for developers and trust me, if I tried to pass this off as "working as intended", said job would be in danger.
I would think that you are pushing it if you take your notes past a couple of pages.
Are you speaking of the length of a single note, or of the note file as a whole?
If you mean an individual note, then I agree. If you mean an entire note file, then I disagree. I have a note file called "Useful Commentary" that contains hundreds of notes that works well—except for know bugs in L4 Mac.
Single note. The OP was using a single note to create commentary on the entire book of Psalms and/or OT!
Stewart - I forgot to comment on this. I don't think your free space has anything to do with this particular issue. However, you are in desperate need of a new HD. My personal opinion is that a HD should never be more than 75 percent full (I try to keep mine at half full). Your overall performance will greatly decrease as you get closer to being full. Did you say what kind of Mac you are running? What are the specs?
Are you speaking of the length of a single note, or of the note file as a whole? Single note. The OP was using a single note to create commentary on the entire book of Psalms and/or OT!
There is a size limit for each field. The default maximum size for a BLOG field for SQLite is 2,147,483,647 bytes (~ 2MegGig).
This being said, Logos could have changed the parameter to anything that they want.
I too will add that the program should give an error message stating the size of the note field has exceeded the size limit. IMHO, this type of error checking is as basic as it gets.
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Isn't this ~2Gig ? (according to the number you show)
Yes it is. Thanks for pointing this out, and I did update my post. I also noticed that there is a field for SQLite that limits the field to 1Gig that Logos can adjust. It doesn't matter how you cut it, it is one huge field. I know that I have a lot of notes, and the entire database is only around 300Meg.
I also noticed that there is a field for SQLite that limits the field to 1Gig that Logos can adjust. It doesn't matter how you cut it, it is one huge field. I know that I have a lot of notes, and the entire database is only around 300Meg.
Good observation. Perhaps it has to do with all the extra characters to render into RTF (my guess on their scripting in the db), or it may be a limitation in their scripting tool/language which handles the script inside of the note field in the db. (i've viewed it before using SQLite browser)
Any note file I create now is very short, compared to what it was initially. How do I correct this problem, by deleting the previous note files. And were is the note file stored, initially I thot it was stored on Logos, because I was able to see the file when I signed onto my window box.
To answer a previous question I have a mac book pro, it is about 4 years old, with a 128 gb hard drive.
Hi Stewart,
Everything in the computer world has a size limit, and shame on Logos for not doing this very basic error checking. The size limit is dependent on many many many things. Two examples are the max. size of the field that holds the data and the max. size of the variables that move the data from the screen to the hard drive. Where you are bouncing up against this limitation? I do not know. This being said, I would say that it is not from SQLite.
How do I correct this problem
I do this so that when I am reading scripture or a commentary, I can hover the mouse over the note icon and read my notes.
were is the note file stored
I have a note file that I use for our hymnal, and here is a screen print of this note file, the NRSV, and the popup for the note in the note file:
It does not matter if I am reading the NRSV or the NET, the note icon is always there, and I can always access my notes via the note icon/popup.
I have learned a lot from these comments concerning notes in Logos. My initial note file that caused this problem was over 1000 KB in size. I just copied all of my notes in Logos to pages, and deleted these notes in Logos. I still find this unacceptable for Logos to limit the size of the individual note file. Also I did check use internet in my preference file.
My initial note file that caused this problem was over 1000 KB in size.
But how many pages of type was it? In other words, if you were writing a term paper, would it be 2 pages, 20 pages, or 100 pages?
Also, just to make sure we are using the same terminology… It is my understanding that you were using one big NOTE in a note file. My understanding of your problem is not the size of the NOTE FILE, but the actual NOTE. The screen shot below is an example of a note file with two notes (yes the notes are identical… it was a test for another forum user). Your problem was with a very large NOTE, right?
The note file had 102 pages and had 11 notes in the one note file. Maybe my problem is that I have flagged the internet for notes in the preference file.
Maybe my problem is that I have flagged the internet for notes in the preference file.
Why would that be a problem? Did you delete the note on another computer?
102 pages that uses over 1M tells me that there is a lot of hidden data in this file. I am currently working on a document that is currently just under 90 pages, and it only uses 122K. I just looked at a document that I have that uses close to 1M, and it is well over 400 pages.
Based on my experience, I believe that you are running up against a size limitation within L4 for the size of a note. I know that I have several note files in L3 that use 10 Meg to 50 Meg each, and I do not have any problems with them in L4 as it relates to size. Most of my notes within my note file are under three pages within MS Word, and I do not have any problems with them in L4 as it relates to their size.
FYI... Bob has stated time and time again that notes were designed to hold just a couple of sentences or so.
This is really the problem Stewart is running into. I can understand his desire to write within Logos, but the note feature was not designed to be a word processor. Your technical knowledge, Tom, goes beyond mine. It sounds like you agree that the issue is not how large the note file is, but rather how long the individual note is. It would be nice to get a reply from Logos.
To clarify the note file that I believed caused the problem, it size was about 1MB. Within that file I had about 11 notes, but one of the note files was very large with over 75 lines. The next new note file I name after a book, within this file Logos would only save about 10 lines of data and the rest it would throw away. At this point I started to use pages to save my notes. I did not delete the large note file on the other computer only on my mac.
You might want to call customer support. I have a note files that are larger than what you are stating, and I am not having your issue. The only thing that looks odd to me is a note file that uses 1MB that only has 11 notes, and a 'large note' has 75 lines.
