BKC not sync'd to Bible
I've notice that a number of commentaries are not well synchronized to the Bible. Today I ran across a clear example of this.
I have Bible Knowledge Commentary in one column (about 4" wide on a 17" monitor) and NASB95 in a parallel column (again 4" wide). I'm studying Obadiah, which is a short "book."They are both linked to "A".
My bible shows about 6 verses at the font size I want. The commentary opens to the beginning of Obadiah, vs 1.
I can scroll the Bible and the commentary won't move until Jonah hits the top of the column, then BKC jumps to Jonah. If I scroll the commentary, the Bible won't move at all, though if I start somewhere else, other than Obadiah, they usually sync.
So if I scroll the commentary to say vs 11 and go to scroll the bible to that vs, as soon as I click on the bible pane, the commentary will jump back to vs 1 and not scroll as I move the bible to vs 11. The reverse is true. If I scroll the bible to vs11, as soon as I click on the commentary pane, the bible will jump back to vs 1. You can't get both to show vs 11.
I've noticed this in other places. It seems that the commentaries are linked to bible verses at specific points in their text and sometimes these points are so far apart that it is hard, and in the case of Obadiah, impossible, to synchronized them in a way that is transparent and useful.
This linkage is one of the most important features of computer Bible study tools like Logos4 and I didn't notice this problem in Logos3.
Have a great day,
jmac
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Hi Jim
I can reproduce this.
When I scroll the BKC through Obadiah the verse indication in the box at the top doesn't change - it stays on Obadiah 1. Do you see the same thing?
If I run a Passage Guide about Obadiah 11 (for example) the BKS is found but, when opened, it opens to v1 not v11.
So it sounds, as you suggest, that there is no fine "versification" in Obadiah at all.
Suggest you flag this to Logos at logos4feedback@logos.com
Graham
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Graham Criddle said:
Suggest you flag this to Logos at logos4feedback@logos.com
Thanks for taking the time to confirm this. I took your advice and sent in a note.
Have a great day,
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Well, I see that Logos hasn't improved this so far. It's getting to be a frustrating wast of time and distraction for me.
For example I set my Bible pane to a particular verse, then click on my linked commentary pane. If I'm in BKC, there's no problem because it has an entry for every verse. However, if I use the left or right arrow to switch to another commentary, and that one only comments on a section of verses, then my linked Bible switches to set the top verse to match the beginning of the section in the commentary. Now I've lost my place in my Bible so if I switch to another commentary that has comments on each verse, I have to go back to the Bible window and scroll it to the verse I was originally at. In my experience this almost ruins the whole idea of switching commentaries and linking. If I want to switch back and forth to compare commentaries one verse at a time, then I'm forever readjusting windows while trying to focus on understanding the Bible text.
Really, something needs to be done about this. It's a mess as it stands.
Have a great day,
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Jim said:
Well, I see that Logos hasn't improved this so far.
If I understand you correctly, it is a resource issue (rather than a software one). It would not be fixed until the resource is updated. An acknowledgment from Logos would be appreciated. [:)]
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Graham Criddle said:
When I scroll the BKC through Obadiah the verse indication in the box at the top doesn't change - it stays on Obadiah 1. Do you see the same thing?
Another option is report a typo in "The Bible Knowledge Commentary" resource where versification tagging should be present: e.g.
Bible versification tagging is missing in Obadiah, follow-up to forum thread => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/46976.aspx
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Jim said:
For example I set my Bible pane to a particular verse, then click on my linked commentary pane.
If click "+" to open a new tab next to linked commentary, then new tab can show a prioritized list of commentaries with verse included within range of comments on the right side, followed by opening commentary (which is not linked so scrolling has no effect on link set).
Personally learned "Haftarot. The JPS Bible Commentary." has commentary about Obadiah that includes:
CONTENT AND MEANING
The distinct literary styles and topics of the book have led scholars to identify up to eight separate divisions. But microanalysis overlooks the larger coherence of the work and its two related themes: the judgment of Edom and the redemption of Israel. Moreover, a literary reading of the whole shows striking correlations within and between the parts. This is particularly evident if one focuses on the issue of sin and punishment. One will note how in Obad. 1:3 the prophet condemns Edom, whose “arrogant heart … seduced [hishiʾekha]” him to vaunted pride, and then later returns to the same terms when he says that Edom will be “duped” [hishiʾukha] by his own confederates on its day of judgment (v. 7). This linguistic play suggests a punishment measure for measure and draws together action and result in a striking way. In another example, the prophet condemns Edom for returning the survivors (seridav) of Jerusalem to their captors on the day of anguish (v. 14; NJPS: “those who fled”), and then alludes to this very point when he prophesies that “no survivor [serid] shall be left of the House of Esau” (v. 18). Once again, there is a verbal echo of the crime in the announcement of its punishment.
To reinforce the impression of inescapable doom to befall Edom, Obadiah plays on the enemy’s name. When speaking of the plunder to come, he echoes the name Edom with the rare verbal form ʾeikh nidmeita, “How utterly you are destroyed!” (Obad. 1:5); and he further plays on the name Edom in his ironic remark that usually robbers just take dayyam, their fill—but not so in this case, when Edom shall plunder to the limit. Sound plays also occur in the arraignment of Edom’s betrayal, where Israel’s day of “calamity” is referred to as yom ʾeidam or ʾeido (v. 13). An echo of the name Edom can hardly be missed here as well. One may suspect that the image of “vintagers” (botzrim) who come and “leave [yashʾiru] some gleanings” (v. 5) is an ironic anticipation of the complete destruction of Edom through an allusion to its city of Bozrah and the land of Seir.
But the doom of Edom is not the end. In a further account of the destruction of Edom, Obadiah prophesies that a remnant will survive in Zion and will inherit its ancient lands (Obad. 1:17). As fire is to straw, Israel will destroy any remnant of Esau-Edom and ascend the holy mountain of their homeland in triumph (v. 18). Then will “dominion be the LORD’s” (v. 21). The historical ascendance of God’s kingdom is the grand climax to the battles of the “day of the LORD.”
Fishbane, M. A. (2002). Haftarot. The JPS Bible commentary (56). Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society.
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Another option is report a typo in "The Bible Knowledge Commentary" resource where versification tagging should be present
If each of us reports this typo, perhaps it will cause Logos to advance its priority [:D] I reported it
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Graham Criddle said:
When I scroll the BKC through Obadiah the verse indication in the box at the top doesn't change - it stays on Obadiah 1. Do you see the same thing?
Another option is report a typo in "The Bible Knowledge Commentary" resource where versification tagging should be present: e.g.
Bible versification tagging is missing in Obadiah, follow-up to forum thread => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/46976.aspx
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Here's an example: Set the top verse of the Bible pane to Ephesians 3:8 and have a pane with Bible Knowledge Commentary linked. There is no problem because BKC has an entry for Ephesians 3:8b-9. Now switch the commentary pane to "New Bible Commentary" which has a section 3:2-13. Your Bible pane moves to Ephesians 3:2 at the top. When you go back to BKC, the Bible window will move to put Ephesians 3:2 at the top. So as I compare commentaries, my Bible window moves all around and I have to interrupt my train of thoughts to keep moving these windows. I realize there are other solutions, like unlinking, but I think there must be a way for Logos to be more intelligent about synchronizing. Or perhaps there is some better practice I could follow, I'm open to suggestions.
Have a great day,
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If click "+" to open a new tab next to linked commentary, then new tab can show a prioritized list of commentaries with verse included within range of comments on the right side, followed by opening commentary (which is not linked so scrolling has no effect on link set).
OK. This works, though it means opening up a number of additional tabs as I like to switch between a number of commentaries. I realize that your solution is a definite work-around however I then have non-synchronized tabs and would have to move them manually to new verses, so defeating the really great idea of switching between commentaries with the right and left arrows. Thanks for the reminder.
Have a great day,
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In some cases the problem could be a "typo". But there is a bigger issue. It is the way Logos handles synchronization.
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Jim said:
OK. This works, though it means opening up a number of additional tabs as I like to switch between a number of commentaries. I realize that your solution is a definite work-around however I then have non-synchronized tabs and would have to move them manually to new verses, so defeating the really great idea of switching between commentaries with the right and left arrows.
Option is opening one new tab, which is unlinked, then use arrow keys in unlinked tab to switch commentaries (in prioritized order).
Another option is using two or more link sets, which could include a resource with Send hyperlinks here checked so can click on a linked verse (e.g. search result) to change position in link set.
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