Intelligent Design and science books
It makes me very sad and despairing that in the cultural wars that are raging around the world we seem to be at times shooting ourselves in both feet.
Some will disagree with me, but as one who has been following the Intelligent Design movement for many years, I see it as an extremely important cultural phenomenon, and one that brings teleology back to center stage.
Why is this important? Because those who control a culture's creation story are also those that provide the intellectual foundations for all thought that is built upon that foundation.
At present we are living in a Western culture that sees MATTER rather than MIND as being behind the universe. Young Earth Creationism just does not have the toolkit to change this. ID on the other hand is a cleverly formulated scientific enterprise that provides a big-tent approach to teleology while attacking the MATTER-only materialist worldview.
Here is the tragedy. I am trying to buy books on the history of the ID movement by Thomas Woodward, but they are not available in eBook format or Logos format, and the paper versions are out-of-print. Yet these books are only a few years old.
I wrote to Thomas Woodward as follows:
It totally defies reason that Woodward's books are not available in digital (eBook) form. This is so crazy... just when they are most needed, they cannot be purchased :-( What a tragedy for the ID movement and its followers.
Sadly in Christ,
Rob
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Searching Vyrso for Intelligent Design => http://vyrso.com/products/search?q=Intelligent+Design finds 7 results
Searching Logos for Intelligent Design => http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=Intelligent+Design&start=0&sort=rel&pageSize=60 finds 50 results
Amazon search for Thomas Woodward => https://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Woodward/e/B001JSBS1W finds 2 results published by Baker Books.
Searching Logos for Baker Books => http://www.logos.com/products/search?Publisher=Baker finds 154 results so wonder about Logos possibilities for Thomas Woodward books ?
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Logos has this book on ID....I thought it was pretty good.
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Rob said:
Here is the tragedy. I am trying to buy books on the history of the ID movement by Thomas Woodward, but they are not available in eBook format or Logos format, and the paper versions are out-of-print. Yet these books are only a few years old.
Logos has published less than 20,000 books. It should not be surprising to discover many of the important authors we treasure have not yet made it into Logos format. If you are looking for Thomas Woodward's books, you are correct - they are not there. If you are looking specifically for the history of the ID movement, correct again - they are not there. Now you and I can go ahead and get a little bit distressed. [:S] [:S] You are handling your distress properly. Writing to publishers, authors, and Logos is one of the best ways to bring about what you are hoping for. Sharing that desire with other like-minded people (in these forums) will drum up support from other Logos users. Good move on your part.
I suspect you know how to search for Intelligent Design books in the Logos catalog . There are other authors who broach their subjects from the launch point of ID.
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Searched "Intelligent Design" in Vyrso and found 5 titles that might be of interest in your study!
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Yes, thanks Philana. The Intelligent Design movement has spawned dozens and dozens of books in recent years. Logos has only about 5 of them as you say.
For example, the following is copies from William Dembski's Wiki page inside Amazon:
Sole author
- William A. Dembski, The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities
. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1998. ISBN 0-521-62387-1 - William A. Dembski, Intelligent Design: The Bridge between Science and Theology . Downer's Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1999. ISBN 0-8308-2314-X
- William A. Dembski, No Free Lunch: Why Specified Complexity Cannot Be Purchased without Intelligence. (Lanham, Md.: Rowman & Littlefield, 2002.) ISBN 0-7425-5810-X
- William A. Dembski, The Design Revolution: Answering the Toughest Questions about Intelligent Design . Downer's Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 2004. ISBN 0-8308-2375-1
- William A. Dembski, The End of Christianity: Finding a Good God in an Evil World. Nashville, Tennessee: B&H Publishing, 2009. ISBN 978-0-8054-2743-1
Co-author
- William A. Dembski, Jay Richards, George Gilder, Ray Kurzweil, Thomas S. Ray, John Searle, and Michael Denton. Are We Spiritual Machines?: Ray Kurzweil vs. the Critics of Strong A.I. (Discovery Institute, June 6, 2001) ISBN 0-9638654-3-9
- William A. Dembski, Jonathan Wells, Percival Davis, and Dean Kenyon. The Design of Life: Discovering Signs of Intelligence in Biological Systems. Dallas: Foundation for Thought and Ethics, November 19, 2007 ISBN 0-9800213-0-8 (401 pages)
- William A. Dembski and Benjamin Wiker. Moral Darwinism: How We Became Hedonists (InterVarsity Press, July 2002) ISBN 0-8308-2666-1
- William A. Dembski and James M. Kushiner, Signs of Intelligence: Understanding Intelligent Design . Brazos Press (March 1, 2001) ISBN 1-58743-004-5
- William A. Dembski and Jay Wesley Richards. Unapologetic Apologetics: Meeting the Challenges of Theological Studies . Downer's Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 2001. ISBN 0-8308-1563-5
- William A. Dembski and Sean McDowell, Understanding Intelligent Design: Everything You Need to Know in Plain Language . (Harvest House Publishers, July 1, 2008) ISBN 0-7369-2442-6
- William A. Dembski and Jonathan Wells. How to be an Intellectually Fulfilled Atheist (Or Not) . (Intercollegiate Studies Institute, October 28, 2008) ISBN 1-933859-84-9
- William A. Dembski and Jonathan Witt, Intelligent Design Uncensored . (IVP Books, May 2010) ISBN 978-0830837427
As editor or contributor
- William A. Dembski and Michael Ruse (eds), Debating Design: From Darwin to DNA. ISBN 0-521-82949-6
- William A. Dembski (ed). Mere Creation . (Downer's Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1998.) ISBN 0-8308-1515-5
- William A. Dembski and Bruce Gordon. The Nature of Nature: Examining the Role of Naturalism in Science (Wilmington, Del.: ISI Books, 2009).
- William A. Dembski, Michael J. Behe and Stephen C. Meyer, Science and Evidence for Design in the Universe , Proceedings of the Wethersfield Institute , vol. 9 San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2000. ISBN 0-89870-809-5
- Geoffrey Simmons (Foreword by William Dembski), What Darwin Didn't Know: A Doctor Dissects the Theory of Evolution.(Harvest Publishers, January 1, 2004) ISBN 0-7369-1313-0
- William A. Dembski, Wayne J. Downs, Fr. Justin B.A. Frederick, The Patristic Understanding of Creation: An Anthology of Writings from the Church Fathers on Creation and Design . (Erasmus Press, June 11, 2008) ISBN 0-9815204-0-5
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For those interested in Intelligent Design, here are two parts of an interview with Dr. Tom Woodward.
Totally excellent presentations to get you up to speed by Intelligent Design's premier historian.
From March 25 and 26 2010...
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/bible-answer-man/listen/intelligent-design-95274.html
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Rob said:William A. Dembski, The Design Revolution: Answering the Toughest Questions about Intelligent Design. Downer's Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 2004. ISBN 0-8308-2375-1
Logos.com has => The Design Revolution: Answering the Toughest Questions about Intelligent Design
Rob said:William A. Dembski (ed). Mere Creation
. (Downer's Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1998.) ISBN 0-8308-1515-5 Logos.com has => Mere Creation: Science, Faith and Intelligent Design
Looking at some other titles, +1 [Y] for Logos (e.g. The Bridge between Science and Theology)
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Indeed, totally awesome that Logos has these books. I suppose that my thinking is that it is surely more important (and useful?) to get contemporary cutting edge science books onto Logos than obscure older books. But then I am a biased scientist :-)
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Rob said:
For those interested in Intelligent Design, here are two parts of an interview with Dr. Tom Woodward.
Totally excellent presentations to get you up to speed by Intelligent Design's premier historian.
From March 25 and 26 2010...
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/bible-answer-man/listen/intelligent-design-95274.html
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/bible-answer-man/listen/intelligent-design-95275.htmlJust an FYI, but let's go easy on advocating a particular position at this time. Let's keep the discussion to Logos books and resources, just because this can turn pretty volatile pretty fast.
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Well, that book would not be for me. I would choose the book I thought best for pastors and lay Christians that use Logos.
William Dembski and Sean McDowell have a nice work that is technical (Dembski) but made easy to read (McDowell).
The Thomas Woodward books -- if his excellent interview was anything to go by -- would give a great overview of the Intelligent Design movement and where it fits culturally. Hopefully he will soon be interviewed on www.apologetics315.com and will cover lots of his material on there. His first book is largely his PhD thesis in readable form, but not terribly readable (apparently). The second is much better. (I have just ordered these books from AbeBooks so have not read them yet, but I have been in touch with the author.)
Michael Behe's book "Darwin's Black Box" (I have not read) is apparently very good but a bit dated I guess.
For pure readability I would heavily recommend Phillip Johnson's books "The Wedge of Truth", "Darwin on Trial" and others. I have read the first and parts of the second. Very very good material that is highly readable and from a brilliant clear thinking lawyer's mind.
Stephen Meyer's book "Signature in the Cell" was rated in the top 10 books for 2009(?) by a top US atheist philosopher (Thomas Nagel(?)). Meyer is excellent in his lectures and debate with Peter Atkins at Oxford University. Meyer is also an engineer so I have sympathies for his ways of thinking. I have read part of this but not enough so far :-(
"Who Made God" by Prof. Edgar Andrews is very highly recommended as a more general apologetics books. Andrews is a scientist/engineer. Small book, humorous and concise.
I'm biased, and I feel a real sense of urgency for getting these materials into the general culture. Probably equipping the church with these apologetics tools would be more useful than 15th century scholars (not that I want to minimize them or their works in any way) and we certainly do need to meet our foes where they are at in 2012.
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Rob said:
Well, that book would not be for me. I would choose the book I thought best for pastors and lay Christians that use Logos.
The intent of my question was for the recommendation. [:)]
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I would probably go for Phillip Johnson's "Darwin on Trial" -- but as I said it is quite a few years old now, and Intelligent Design is moving very quickly of late...
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I would like to see Darwin's Black Box by Behe and Icons of Evolution by Jonathan Wells.
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