Poor Seminary Student
Any tips for a poor seminary student trying build up his library. Talked to a rep today and I guess the student discount doesn't apply to upgrades or are pretty weak for most of the more popular individual items (good commentary sets, BDAG, Bible dictionaries, etc..). I have the Languages package now.
Pretty dirt poor but looking for good value/investment. Just go for Platinum? Any tips/strategies much appreciated!
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Hi Alex,
I may be able to help you.
If you are interested email me rpat AT hushmail DOT COM
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Community Pricing is a good value. Most of the works available through that are older, out of print, but some are still real gems. The idea of CP is you bid what you're willing to pay for a resource (many are actually collections), and the user community comes to a consensus on the price we're willing to pay that would be enough (given the number of people interested in it) to cover costs to bring it into production. The more people bid, the lower the price goes. Once a title gets out of CP and goes into pre-pub, the price goes up dramatically, and then when it ships it goes up yet again. So the best time to get these works are when they are still in CP.
Check out the current list here: http://www.logos.com/products/search?Status=Community+Pricing.
Bidding closes today on a couple of the titles.$6 is a nice price for the biography and writings of St. Patrick, and it looks like it could even come down to $5 before bidding closes. $50 for the complete works of Scottish Presbyterian minister/author Thomas Boston is a little steep compared to how these things usually go, especially considering I'd never heard of him before, but his bio looks noteworthy, and it looks like it could go down to $45 or even $40 before bidding closes. So I'm in on that one.
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Alex Chen said:
Any tips for a poor seminary student trying build up his library. Talked to a rep today and I guess the student discount doesn't apply to upgrades or are pretty weak for most of the more popular individual items (good commentary sets, BDAG, Bible dictionaries, etc..). I have the Languages package now.
Pretty dirt poor but looking for good value/investment. Just go for Platinum? Any tips/strategies much appreciated!
Welcome [:D]
Logos blog has => http://blog.logos.com/2011/07/how-to-find-a-bargain-on-logos-com/ Since the blog article was written, Logos now offers a free book monthly. Vyrso has a number of monthly specials, including free resources so my Logos library now has a number of free Vyrso eBooks; have read a few from cover to cover. Also, Logos offers twitter daily deals at 50 % off; including => Hebrew Bible Bundle (54 vols.) months ago. Caveat: have noticed many twitter daily deals are included in Porfolio and/or Master Library Builder. Personally check twitter daily http://twitter.com/#!/logos and http://twitter.com/#!/Vyrso (look for word FREE) or could watch RSS feed => Free Logos Books RSS feed
Logos resources that are required for seminary classes have the least expensive prices.
Scholar's Gold includes my favorite commentary series => UBS New Testament Handbook Series and => UBS Old Testament Handbook Series so upgrading is a better deal than individual purchase. Beyond Scholar's Gold, would look at => Master Library Builder (2,010 vols.) that has been on sale in December past couple years, but do not know if sale repeat planned for this year.
The Master Library Builder includes many resources in Platinum and Portfolio so estimating Scholar's Gold plus Master Library Builder to be ~ 2,900 volumes (about $ 1.33 per volume at regular price). In contrast, Porfolio regular price per volume is $ 2.68 (plus regular price is $ 410 more than Scholar's Gold plus Master Library Builder). For $ 419.95, another option is => Catholic Library Builder (238 vols.) that has several Latin resources plus => Dictionary of Latin Forms is free. Apologies: Scholar's Gold plus Master Library Builder plus Catholic Library Builder may add up to more than poor can afford.
Note: depends on resource usability whether to consider upgrade to Scholar's Platinum or Portfolio if choose to purchase => Master Library Builder (2,010 vols.) Personally had already upgraded to Scholar's Platinum before Master Library Builder became available (so added over 1,500 resources to my library).
Scholar's Platinum does include BDAG, personally wish for resource reformat => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/32633/243659.aspx#243659 BDAG is densely packed with lots of abbreviations along with being # 1 Greek lexicon for several Logos users. Original Languages includes Louw-Nida Greek-English lexicon and Dictionary of Biblical Languages (DBL). Scholar's Silver and above includes "Lexham Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament" that has all Louw-Nida numbers with verse references for a lemma along with cognate words.
If upgrade to Scholar's Gold, one option for BDAG are some bundles => BDAG/HALOT Bundle , => Advanced Greek Supplement (6 vols.) and => Original Languages Supplement (8 vols.)
Thankful Logos offers monthly payment option, which has a fee for each payment processed so have option to pay off early to avoid future payment fees.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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1. Identify what you absolutely need before you look at Logos offerings
2. Weigh the cost and benefits of electronic vs print vs using the library
Put everything in a spreadsheet: it's paper cost, electronic cost, and library availability,
when you need it, and the value of electronic-ness on a scale that works for you3. Decide what you're going to do and stick with it... wait as long as you can, but have savings that means you're ready to pounce
4. Watch Logos sales (e.g. March Madness, Twitter/FB, Christmas, etc.) "religiously" and be as patient as possible. Apply for the Logos scholarship!! Every Year!
If you're that poor (been there!) then buying pretty much anything on CP is a waste because you need that money to eat or pay rent and you still have to buy the books you need (I'd be willing to be there's nothing on CP that you need for seminary or otherwise).
The fact is that, for truly poor students, the best value is the seminary library... put your notes into PBBs, seminaries typically have amazing access to materials that will cost you 10s of $1000s in Logos, much available in PDF format. Yes, it would be great to have it in Logos, but you'll be unable to use Logos exclusively anyway.
RE: Packages, I have platinum, but I don't feel the value is there as it once was when they included BECNT. Scholar's Gold is the sweet spot at the moment IMHO, but don't go there until you've figured out what you need.
God bless!
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Alex Chen said:
Any tips for a poor seminary student trying build up his library. Talked to a rep today and I guess the student discount doesn't apply to upgrades or are pretty weak for most of the more popular individual items (good commentary sets, BDAG, Bible dictionaries, etc..). I have the Languages package now.
Pretty dirt poor but looking for good value/investment. Just go for Platinum? Any tips/strategies much appreciated!
Without a doubt the best and most economical way to build a decent library is to "go for Platinum" with the student discount that applies to you. I helped my son financially so he could get his (as I've helped another son get the tools he needed for a job). The student discount my son got for Platinum was substantial.
If you must, you could get it on a payment plan, but know that Logos charges an administrative fee for that service which may increase your total cost beyond that of a loan (you'll have to do your own math to figure it out.
The huge advantage in going Platinum is the wide range of materials you can take with you to summer internships/assignments, or any where else you might go in ministry. And it is much less expensive to just take your computer along than to ship boxes of books.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Alex Chen said:
Any tips for a poor seminary student trying build up his library. Talked to a rep today and I guess the student discount doesn't apply to upgrades or are pretty weak for most of the more popular individual items (good commentary sets, BDAG, Bible dictionaries, etc..). I have the Languages package now.
Pretty dirt poor but looking for good value/investment. Just go for Platinum? Any tips/strategies much appreciated!
This all depends on your theology. I started off with the OL package, and I have not upgraded the package because I would not use the items in the higher packages. For me, I just purchased the items that I knew that I would use (YABD, Hermeneia, etc...). For me, this was the best way to go. For me, I have noticed that I do not use the items on CP. Because of this, they are not a good deal for me. I would rather spend $50 on a commentary that I will use than $40 on a commentary series that I will not use. Than again, this is what works for me and my very tight budget.
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you have a lot of options suggested already. I'd just add that if you see something you like, always run it by a sales rep, see if you can get a lower price on something you are certain to buy.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Richard DeRuiter said:
Without a doubt the best and most economical way to build a decent library is to "go for Platinum" with the student discount that applies to you.
Agreed.
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Not a poor seminary student, but a wise one, since you are seeking counsel. Perhaps someone could suggest a special offering for you in your local church. If the idea gets past leadership, the sheep are often quite generous, seeing how they are used to being fleeced, er... sheared.
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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Josh said:Richard DeRuiter said:
Without a doubt the best and most economical way to build a decent library is to "go for Platinum" with the student discount that applies to you.
Agreed.
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Alex Chen said:
Any tips for a poor seminary student trying build up his library. Talked to a rep today and I guess the student discount doesn't apply to upgrades or are pretty weak for most of the more popular individual items (good commentary sets, BDAG, Bible dictionaries, etc..). I have the Languages package now.
Pretty dirt poor but looking for good value/investment. Just go for Platinum? Any tips/strategies much appreciated!
I can sympathize [Though I was tempted to make a joke and as whether a "poor student" could profit from some of the resources—i.e., academically poor—I'm sure you meant financially poor]. Let me go against the grain somewhat in suggesting that you purchase top notch resources and not buy something simply because it's cheap. BDAG and HALOT (or BDB) are absolute necessities. These are best bought in the bundle http://www.logos.com/product/5228/bdag-halot-bundle. A workman needs good tools. I heard a spot on a radio program once which stated that you should never allow a mechanic near your vehicle with an adjustable wrench; if he can't afford the proper tools he shouldn't be working on it. The same applies to almost everything. Bite the bullet and buy in small lots as you can afford it.
george
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George Somsel said:
suggesting that you purchase top notch resources and not buy something simply because it's cheap. BDAG and HALOT (or BDB) are absolute necessities. These are best bought in the bundle http://www.logos.com/product/5228/bdag-halot-bundle. A workman needs good tools.
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For seminary (& beyond), you'll need good language tools; for seminary, you'll want the ones your professors recommend for classes... At minimum this will most likely include BDB and/or HALOT, BDAG, & Liddell & Scott's Intermediate Greek Lexicon (for better access to classical Greek background). For quick reference to the paradigms (even for my studies while still in seminary), I found Chapman's GNT Insert & Putnam's Hebrew Bible Insert to be invaluable. Both are available in Logos.
Beyond that, Scholars Gold & Platinum offer the best values for upgrades. But IMO, platinum is the best overall value. I'd recommend you check with your seminary AND with Logos on the purchase costs for whichever package you eventually upgrade to. Make sure you're getting the best deal, whatever discount they choose to apply...
And blessings on your studies.Grace & Peace,
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I too [y]George Somsel said:BDAG and HALOT
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http://www.ccel.org/ has many wonderful classic works including many of the works you will find at Logos or Logos currently has in CP bids
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
http://www.ccel.org/ has many wonderful classic works including many of the works you will find at Logos or Logos currently has in CP bids
-Dan
You can make Personal Books for Logos from the wonderful resources at ccel.org and other free sources. This is a great way to add great classic resources to Logos for free.
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Dan Francis said:
http://www.ccel.org/ has many wonderful classic works including many of the works you will find at Logos or Logos currently has in CP bids
-Dan
You can make Personal Books for Logos from the wonderful resources at ccel.org and other free sources. This is a great way to add great classic resources to Logos for free.
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Dan Francis said:
http://www.ccel.org/ has many wonderful classic works including many of the works you will find at Logos or Logos currently has in CP bids
-Dan
You can make Personal Books for Logos from the wonderful resources at ccel.org and other free sources. This is a great way to add great classic resources to Logos for free.
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Michael Childs said:Dan Francis said:
http://www.ccel.org/ has many wonderful classic works including many of the works you will find at Logos or Logos currently has in CP bids
-Dan
You can make Personal Books for Logos from the wonderful resources at ccel.org and other free sources. This is a great way to add great classic resources to Logos for free.
You can also find a bunch of PBs the others have also made, which you can download for free. Check out the list (with links to where on the forum you can find the file to download) here: http://wiki.logos.com/User_Contributed_Personal_Books
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Michael Childs said:
This is a great way to add great classic resources to Logos for free.
How much "free" do you have to spend? [^o)]
george
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George Somsel said:Michael Childs said:
This is a great way to add great classic resources to Logos for free.
How much "free" do you have to spend?
Oh, usually about 20 minutes worth of free if you want to do it right. Could be more; could be less. Depends on how much editing you want to do and how fancy you want you Logos book to be. [;)]
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Seminary time is just as scared as seminary money. Because you will not need any of the CP/PBB/free resources, I would just focus what you do need for seminary.Michael Childs said:Oh, usually about 20 minutes worth of free if you want to do it right. Could be more; could be less. Depends on how much editing you want to do and how fancy you want you Logos book to be.
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tom collinge said:
Seminary time is just as scared as seminary money. Because you will not need any of the CP/PBB/free resources, I would just focus what you do need for seminary.Michael Childs said:Oh, usually about 20 minutes worth of free if you want to do it right. Could be more; could be less. Depends on how much editing you want to do and how fancy you want you Logos book to be.
That is true. But if you do justice to the call, you will have more time in seminary than after you are a fulltime pastor.
I remember laughing when a professor told me that. Turns out the joke was on me.
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