Wow that didnt stay in Cp for long. Guess it has a little for everyone.
http://www.logos.com/product/18602/the-worlds-great-sermons
I just bid $15. Anyone else?
We only have until Friday so I bid $20. Hoping to get it for $15,
Hoping to get it for $15,
Hoping here also for $15
Everyone loves a little Preachin' from Basil of Caesarea... I'M IN!
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I'm afraid my interest disappeared when 'Basil to Spurgeon' turned out to mean five pre-Reformation sermons -- one of them extremely atypical -- and 9.5 volumes of post-Reformation ones...
Wow, I almost missed it
@fgh: My thoughts exactly I guess after Basil nothing worth preaching about happened until the Reformers[:D] came.
"Viva Cristo Rey!!"
Deacon Harbey Santiago
Archdiocese of Baltimore
@fgh: My thoughts exactly I guess after Basil nothing worth preaching about happened until the Reformers came.
Maybe it has more to do with the invention of the printing press and the much elevated focus on preaching in protestantism as opposed to catholicism and EO Christianity. But then I haven't looked into the details of the collection and it's editorial viewpoints.
@fgh: My thoughts exactly I guess after Basil nothing worth preaching about happened until the Reformers came. Maybe it has more to do with the invention of the printing press and the much elevated focus on preaching in protestantism as opposed to catholicism and EO Christianity. But then I haven't looked into the details of the collection and it's editorial viewpoints.
What many of us Protestants don't understand is that the Reformation grew out of many medieval movements to bring the church out to the people. The centuries before the Reformation was when many religious orders, like the Franciscans and Dominicans (called the order of PREACHERS) were founded and had explosive growth. Luther himself was a member of one of these. He was a Friar (not technically a monk) of the Augustinian order.
The history is admittedly a bit chaotic, but there there is certainly enough there that we should admit that Preaching was important. Of course, there was animated theological discussion about the CONTENT of this preaching...
@fgh: My thoughts exactly I guess after Basil nothing worth preaching about happened until the Reformers came. Maybe it has more to do with the invention of the printing press and the much elevated focus on preaching in protestantism as opposed to catholicism and EO Christianity. But then I haven't looked into the details of the collection and it's editorial viewpoints. What many of us Protestants don't understand is that the Reformation grew out of many medieval movements to bring the church out to the people. The centuries before the Reformation was when many religious orders, like the Franciscans and Dominicans (called the order of PREACHERS) were founded and had explosive growth. Luther himself was a member of one of these. He was a Friar (not technically a monk) of the Augustinian order. The history is admittedly a bit chaotic, but there there is certainly enough there that we should admit that Preaching was important. Of course, there was animated theological discussion about the CONTENT of this preaching...
Kenneth,
maybe I made myself not clear enough in the short sentence. I paid much for my Logos copy of Hughes Oliphant Old's "The Reading and Preaching of the Scriptures in the Worship of the Christian Church", which surely is more even-handed in terms of spreading the material over time. Of course there was preaching and famous preachers throughout church history, and prominent church fathers had their homilies written, copied and sent around.
I wanted to indicate that after the invention of the printing press, much more sermons were preserved since it was easier to copy and distribute. The protestant reformers used this as a way of propagandizing their faith. Maybe it's comparable to the internet in the increase of material available and kept for the future.
The other thing is that (according to my very limited understanding) the center of RCC mass service is the Eucharist, whereas the center of protestant services is the sermon - one may see this even in church architecture: altar versus pulpit in the center, elevated, "crowned". A bit of anecdotary info here: I recall that people in free churches or evangelical parachurches in Germany in the last century often regarded everything before the sermon as "introduction" and those leading this part indicating that the "real" service began with the preacher - all scripture reading, singing, offering etc. thus would have been somehow before the service - and subsequent to the sermon there was just a (non-mandatory) song and then the preacher gave the blessing - finished. Eucharist once or twice the year. This tradition at least is more likely to produce and preserve sermons than liturgies, lectionaries, highly styled prayers etc.
However the set in question here seems to include only a limited number of sermons that predate the 19th century - most are from 18xx (where it was common that preachers had their sermons collected, printed, bound and where less experienced clergy (or non-clergy) would read sermons from these books from the pulpit rather than doing their own thing. I see some names from different corners of the protestant spectrum, but I didn't check whether these are just butterflies in a Puritan field or real diversity exists and whether RC Catholics or EO are included at all.
Whilst I do appreciate the comments:
To paraphrase what was stated to me sometime back: there’s not much more that can be proven so there’s probably not much more that can be added to the discussion that could enlighten us. As to the ebb and flow of the forum, I do not recall any comment that leads me to the usage or instructional usage of Logos Bible Software.
Granted we all have opinions and the resource is in CP, but where’s the instructions on how to use the resource?
[it is nearing brunch]
Almost at $15. That will make $.75 per volume
My interest disappeared when they chose not to include any of my sermons in the set (and apparently, it wasn't only that I came after Spurgeon, either!)
Bill
p.s. [:P]
Me too... just went & checked, & it looks like we got it for $15.
$15! Now that is how community pricing ought to work.
It seems like thre is big possibility to make it for $10. We just need more people who are willing to bid for $10[Y]
I think 50 cents per book is a good gift [;)]
uhm, I'm really into making it $10, but than it is 1 dollar per book, and not 50 cents
I'm really into making it $10, but than it is 1 dollar per book
With bit less than 18 hours remaining to bid, noticed => The World's Great Sermons (10 vols.) is approaching $ 10
Note: current projected price is $ 1.50 per volume. A wee bit over 1 week from being listed to closing.
Keep Smiling [:)]
The other thing is that (according to my very limited understanding) the center of RCC mass service is the Eucharist
Certainly the Eucharist is the center of the Mass, but what does that have to do with this discussion? To the best of my knowledge most medieval preaching took place outside of Mass. I have a 13th century Franciscan church nearby, and you can still see where they used to stand when they preached to the crowds outside the church.
Of course, there's also the little fact that Protestant reformers were in the habit of destroying every Catholic book they could lay hands on. It doesn't seem very fair to first destroy Catholic sermons and then use the lack of them as 'proof' that Catholics never cared about preaching... (not saying you're saying that; just a general observation)
The other thing is that (according to my very limited understanding) the center of RCC mass service is the Eucharist Certainly the Eucharist is the center of the Mass, but what does that have to do with this discussion?
Certainly the Eucharist is the center of the Mass, but what does that have to do with this discussion?
Well I tried to give some hints with "the much elevated focus on preaching in protestantism as opposed to catholicism and EO Christianity." and "This tradition at least is more likely to produce and preserve sermons than liturgies, lectionaries, highly styled prayers etc."
I didn't want to leave the impression "that Catholics never cared about preaching", rather that the protestants got quite obsessive about it - many of us are rediscovering the sacraments, liturgy and other such "tangible" aspects of faith in recent times.
But I think this is not the time to wage the Reformation wars again - I will happily concede that the selection of the resource content is biased with regards to time time and denominational background of the featured preachers and most probably won't live up to its full-mouthed title. Nevertheless I hope to get it soon and to learn from it.
The best written sermon's I've read is from a guy named Edward Payson. Wished Logo's would get his works.[;)]
I guess after Basil nothing worth preaching about happened until the Reformers
You're looking at this a bit wrong - actually what happened was they were so good that they required whole books of sermons - consider the number in the Early Church Father's collections, the three St. Bernard volumes, some in St. Ephrem's collection ....[;)]
I wanted to indicate that after the invention of the printing press, much more sermons were preserved since it was easier to copy and distribute. The protestant reformers used this as a way of propagandizing their faith. Maybe it's comparable to the internet in the increase of material available and kept for the future. The other thing is that (according to my very limited understanding) the center of RCC mass service is the Eucharist, whereas the center of protestant services is the sermon
The other thing is that (according to my very limited understanding) the center of RCC mass service is the Eucharist, whereas the center of protestant services is the sermon
I agree on the printing press as being one factor. Others include the rise of individualism and education. However, there was a period went most parish priests were only minimally educated and therefore encouraged to read sermons written by better educated colleagues. So there was a bit of pressure for written sermons earlier.
The Mass - Orthodox, Eastern or Catholic has always been one of 2 tables from which the assembly is fed - one is the Word, the other is the sacrificial altar. Yes, the Eucharist is given priority but historically both have been practiced.
Forgive me if I am wrong but I would assume that anyone reading the thread knows how to link it to Olds' or Dargan's works. Or they are able to assume that it's use is similar to that of the Treasury of Great Preaching. I would recommend that you utilize Toulmin's argument mapping to the sermons/homilies themselves. You can make them in Argument, free software if I recall correctly, and include the images in .docx files for creating a PB. You also might find it helpful to create a timeline for the preachers included. You can even use the L3 timeline feature.[;)]
I will happily concede that the selection of the resource content is biased with regards to time time and denominational background of the featured preachers
A big clue of the bias is that all the sermons are Western. Where's the Byzantine and Eastern traditions? Where are Joseph of Balai of Qenneshrim, Jacob of Sarug or Isaac of Nineveh?
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