Can someone help me with this Cascadia syntax search?

Let me describe what I'm trying to do. In Daniel Wallace's Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics, p. 723, footnote 27, he says, "There are, by my count, only eight instances of the aorist imperative in prohibitions, all in the third person (Matt 6:3; 24:17, 18; Mark 13:15 [bis], 16; Luke 17:31 [bis]."

I set out to test that, and practice making syntax searches. I was able to create one that worked in OpenText. I found seven hits instead of eight. When I analyzed the hits, I found the second hit in March 13:15 used μηδέ instead of μή, so I made the modification you can see in my attempt with Cascadia.

For the successful OpenText syntax search, I worked from the OpenText Clause Visualization in Matthew 6:3, one of the hits.

I attempted the same approach using the Cascadia Clause Visualization, but get no hits. I'll attempt to insert/attach a screen image of the search as I created it. I want to learn this stuff. I'm sure that someone can explain to me what I did incorrectly.

Thanks in advance for your help!

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David Fish

For what it's worth, here is the successful Syntax Search using OpenText:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

I attempted the same approach using the Cascadia Clause Visualization, but get no hits.

Personally tried a new Syntax Search using Cascadia, then choose Adverbial Negation (Cascadia) template, followed by adding aorist imperative:

Noticed Mark 13:15 had one hit, so modified Cascadia Syntax Search, which was a bit of a challenge to find 2nd occurrence in Mark 13:15

Keep Smiling [:)]

Rick Brannan

Hi David & KS4J

Here's a little simpler version of the search in Cascadia. Throwing it off is the annotation of μηδε as a conjunction in Mk 13.15 (2nd Instance), so I (like KS4J) have an 'OR' to handle that. The search returns the 8 hits David specifies in his original post.

Also, note that the 'Word' objects in the below query are actually unnecessary to obtain hits; I'm only using these to highlight the proper word in the hit. As Cascadia is a Head Driven Phrase Structure Grammar (HPSG), all known word-level information of the head of every node is encoded within the node. This means that I can just select the 'Adverbial' Clause Function object and specify the lemma of the head of that object is μη or μηδε. Same for morph (or even LN annotation). This means you don't have to worry about the structure beneath the highest head node you're interested in (like, for opentext, the ->head term->modifier->word dance that is required).

The "Instance" agreement with the 'Word' objects is just a shortcut to highlight the proper word in search results. For the word, it is saying "when the word that is the same instance of the word which is embedded as the head of the parent object agrees". This is discussed a bit more in the paper on Greek Linguistic Databases at my personal web site, here: http://www.supakoo.com/rick/papers/ (direct link to PDF of paper: http://www.supakoo.com/rick/papers/Leiden2012-GreekDatabases.pdf )

Rick Brannan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/361909#Comment_361909

Hi KS4J

Noticed Mark 13:15 had one hit, so modified Cascadia Syntax Search, which was a bit of a challenge to find 2nd occurrence in Mark 13:15

Quick query feedback.

First, probably don't need the 'Unordered' when searching for negation like this, but better safe than sorry.

Second, nice use of the 'instance' agreement to highlight words. Excellent.

Third, note that a Terminal Node only ever represents (points to) one word. So no word instance agreement is necessary, just add highlighting to the terminal node, and you're set.

Fourth, great job making the search options generic (multiple clause function types).

I was encouraged by looking at your query. Great job!

Paul Carpenter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/361914#Comment_361914

How did you insert that "Or" between the two clause searches?

Thanks!

Paul

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/453054#Comment_453054

Click the bottom of the Clause term and select OR

Paul Carpenter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/453098#Comment_453098

Thanks, Dave!