A Plea for a Functional "Biblical Places" on Mac
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I did find a work around for some of the Logos maps. If you have access to the Faithlife Study Bible there is a section labeled "maps" at the end of the study bible material. You can then at least scroll through the maps without all the lag.
fgh said:Caleb S. said:major highways are not highlighted in every map (very few of them in fact), and other roads going from towns (based upon geography of course) are completely excluded, so those who use Biblical Places won't have any idea of how people actually would have traveled (this is a major gripe for me.
How much do we actually know about where roads went? Unless there are clear archaeological finds, or clear written descriptions, I'd prefer that they don't mark roads. I don't want to be tricked into believing that a guess is a fact.
I do appreciate at least having a general idea or "guestimate" made by scholars as to the location of the roads, "lost" cities, exodus routes, etc. However, it would be beneficial to know who is doing the guessing and upon what basis the guesses are made. This is another weakness to the current software based models (over against the dead-tree paper atlas). With a paper atlas you will often have comments as to what led scholars to make certain conclusions or guesses. With the software based "Biblical places" model you don't see anything besides the map. You have no idea who made the map (besides a Logos Logo in the lower corner) and no idea if the people behind the map are making reliable, educated decisions.
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fgh said:
Did I really explain myself that badly in my first post? The bug I reported, and wanted you to add to the parity list, is in the bottom ribbon, where all the map thumbnails are. The arrows there don't behave like they should (i e you have to click once for each new thumbnail to show). I then compared that to the shortcut bar arrows, which do work like they should (i e you can click-and-hold and the icons keep moving).
Finally I discovered that the arrows in the upper ribbon, the one with the dictionaries, behave in a third way. I didn't know if this was a parity issue, nor if it was a formal bug or intentional, but it certainly isn't consistent. It too ought to behave like the shortcut bar. (Well, minus that bug that makes the left arrow in the shortcut bar disappear when you get to the far right.)
Was that clearer?
+1 [Y] Concur scrolling in Biblical Places on Mac needs lots of clicks while PC can click once and hold to quickly scroll.
Using Logos 4.5a SR-1 and Logos 4.5c Beta1, replicated feature parity issue on Mac OS X 10.6.8 and Windows 7 so added to Feature Parity list:
- PC Biblical Places scroll arrows can click and hold to scroll quickly while Mac needs one click to scroll for each page or map
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Paul Clarke said:Fr. Charles R. Matheny said:
Perhaps I should trade down to something Logos can handle-smile.
You mean something like this?
That was my very first mac—May 1984 [H] 128K RAM, 400K rigid floppy, and if memory serves, 16MHz blazingly fast CPU, and it all came loaded with McWright and McPaint [:D]
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Jack Caviness said:
That was my very first mac—May 1984
128K RAM, 400K rigid floppy, and if memory serves, 16MHz blazingly fast CPU, and it all came loaded with McWright and McPaint Observation: Macintosh 128K ('thin Mac') bundled program names were MacWrite and MacPaint Personally Thankful for an external floppy drive with a "fat Mac" so could avoid floppy disk shuffle when saving files.
Caveat: Logos 4 Mac needs an Intel CPU, which is the third processor architecture used in Mac Models => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Macintosh_models_grouped_by_CPU_type
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You are correct—Mac rather than Mc avoided a lawsuit from a certain fast food chain with a similar sounding name [8-|]
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PC Biblical Places has lighter color grey indicators for end of location list items, but Mac does not
Logos 4.5c Release Candidate 1 has lighter arrows for end of location list for maps; still missing in middle row.
Dreaming of a scroll bar for maps and pictures for quicker navigation. Also dreaming about option to turn off zoom out animation; one map transition zoomed out for 20 seconds before zooming in. Personally wish default zoom would minimize time for transition. On Windows, the zoom out is only far enough to include borders of old and new maps. On Mac, zoom out goes to edge of world map then waits many seconds before zooming in to show map detail.
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Dreaming of a scroll bar for maps and pictures for quicker navigation. Also dreaming about option to turn off zoom out animation; one map transition zoomed out for 20 seconds before zooming in. Personally wish default zoom would minimize time for transition.
[Emphasis added]
Keep dreaming... [:P] . Just kidding...
However, I've all but given up on my hopes, dreams, and wishes for Logos' map features.
You would not think that it would be this hard to display maps! I don't get the point of fancy zooming, that doesn't zoom and doesn't impress.
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Jonathan said:
I don't get the point of fancy zooming, that doesn't zoom and doesn't impress.
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Searching Logos for Titles and/or Description is quicker than using Biblical Places for maps, one click on a search result opens map in a resource without zooming.
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Searching Logos for Titles and/or Description is quicker than using Biblical Places for maps, one click on a search result opens map in a resource without zooming.
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Now, why didn't I think of that? Thanks for the tip.
Will this allow access to the maps designed by Logos without opening Biblical Places or do those only appear in Biblical places? I am having a hard time finding the Logos maps...
Also, Is there a way to limit this to maps only (and not included photographs)? I am thinking that there is NOT a way to do this, but if there is, that would be great.
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Jonathan said:
Will this allow access to the maps designed by Logos without opening Biblical Places or do those only appear in Biblical places?
Biblical Places has newer map resources. Older Logos map resources are searchable.
Jonathan said:Also, Is there a way to limit this to maps only (and not included photographs)? I am thinking that there is NOT a way to do this, but if there is, that would be great.
One option is creating a Maps collection. Could use rule:
Subject:map,Title:map
Alternate rule is map, which include resources with map in description.
My "Media Collection" uses rule of type:media (albeit also includes photographs)
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Hoping for a functional Biblical Places in next round of Betas.
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Tonya J Ross said:
Logos 4.5b SR-1 on Mac and PC have buggy arrow interaction for Biblical Places history navigation. For example, start with Jerusalem, then enter Athens, followed by left history arrow to go back to Jerusalem: one click changed the maps, but not the location:
I am able to reproduce this issue and will report it.
This issue should be fixed in the next beta update.
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Tonya J Ross said:fgh said:
You can also add that on Mac one has to click the arrow once for each new map; on PC (as I remember Mark's video) one can click-and-hold and the maps keep moving (the shortcut bar arrows do that on Mac, but not the Biblical Places arrows).
I will make a case for this issue.
The issue of continuous scrolling (via click and holding the arrow) for the map thumbnails in Biblical Places should be fixed in the next update.
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Tonya J Ross said:
The issue of continuous scrolling (via click and holding the arrow) for the map thumbnails in Biblical Places should be fixed in the next update.
THANK YOU! After two years I will finally be able to find out what maps of Jerusalem I actually have. Though I guess "next update" means "next stable release" sometime in the early autumn, and not "next SR"?
Btw, while you're working on various arrows: it would be much better if all of them (maps, shortcut bar, home page...) were 'loops', so to speak, i e if they didn't stop when you came to the last item but just moved on to the first again, so that you didn't have to manually click yourself all the way back again.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:
Btw, while you're working on various arrows: it would be much better if all of them (maps, shortcut bar, home page...) were 'loops', so to speak, i e if they didn't stop when you came to the last item but just moved on to the first again, so that you didn't have to manually click yourself all the way back again.
That could get confusing. If I don't take note of which map I looked at first, I could see myself going around in circles thinking I haven't yet reached the end. A better option, IMO, would be to use a standard horizontal scrollbar instead of the arrows.
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mitchellisdumb said:
A better option, IMO, would be to use a standard horizontal scrollbar instead of the arrows.
+1 [Y] for scroll bar, which could also be used to quickly navigate lots of maps since currently arrows on Mac need one click to scroll one map, which is different than PC click and hold to scroll.
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Still hoping for a functional "Biblical Places" on Mac. Seems like a really basic feature is being neglected.
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Any chance these issues might be fixed in the next release?
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Jonathan said:
Any chance these issues might be fixed in the next release?
Looking at Feature Parity list, which has been revamped by Logos, noticed a major annoyance for using maps in Biblical Places tops the list of items not yet fixed.
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Jonathan said:
Still hoping for a functional "Biblical Places" on Mac. Seems like a really basic feature is being neglected.
Logos 4.6a Beta 4 on OS X 10.8.2 has a number of functional Biblical Places improvements.
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Tonya J Ross said:
The issue of continuous scrolling (via click and holding the arrow) for the map thumbnails in Biblical Places should be fixed in the next update.
While I'm grateful that it works at all, I realized today that the maps in the lower ribbon 'scroll' considerably slower than the shortcuts on the shortcut bar. Any chance you could speed them up?
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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