I find it odd that I can only get the OT and NT together and not just the OT and NT separately? I would ideally like the individual copies, but did I miss something? It seems that this is a better set to sell.
Thanks for any thought on this, Robert
Sometimes publishers only allow series to be sold that way. I have noticed that eventually they get broken up, but not always.
Thanks for replying. I get that, but the fact remains it is now years later and so many competitors have the series broken up and sell them in NT and OT sets at least. I think it would be good for both Logos and the publisher if they opened up some of the works to a wider audience that could actually afford them in smaller chunks. Just my 2 cents. I am bummed because I am thinking of getting a refund and going back to my 2 other pieces of software that does break it up. I like Logos but do not love it and can certainly live without it. I just would like to not have to do that. But $1500 is a price I cannot overcome.
Thanks for replying. I get that, but the fact remains it is now years later and so many competitors have the series broken up and sell them in NT and OT sets at least. I think it would be good for both Logos and the publisher if they opened up some of the works to a wider audience that could actually afford them in smaller chunks.
Logos has been updating a thread => Hey! they just broke this collection up!
But $1500 is a price I cannot overcome.
Logos offers a payment plan that charges no interest on outstanding balance, but does have a monthly processing fee.
Seem to remember Logos having a sale for this commentary set from time to time; could discuss with Logos Sales => http://www.logos.com/about/contact
I am bummed because I am thinking of getting a refund and going back to my 2 other pieces of software that does break it up.
For refund, suggest calling Logos => http://www.logos.com/about/contact also could inquire about possibilities of collection being broken up.
Keep Smiling [:)]
Keep Smiling 4 Jesus ,
You must work for Logos because you just posted everything the Logos website says and I know. I appreciate you trying to help, but I would like a bit more information than that. $1500 or $1000 broken up into 12 or whatever payments is still too much for most. Honestly, I am paying for the Scholar Edition over 12 months. That is stretching my budget. I was hoping to get a few individual works that I have hardbacks of on my shelves, but I cannot. $1600 (the really price of $1599.99) is too much, even at discount and withe a $5/month charge payment plan. I appreciate them wanting to keep them together, but their competitors are selling them in individual sets. I love Logos and think it is quite fantastic, but it is not a must have for me.
As far as the link you posted, it just took me to the front of the link. Where in the link is there a reference to the commentary we are talking about? I assume you posted it because you have some information on this set being broken up. There are 137 posts that I would need to thumb through. If you have the exact thread, then that would be helpful.
You must work for Logos ...
Logos employees have blue Logos icon under their avatar. MVP (Many Volunteer Posts) have stars.
$1500 or $1000 broken up into 12 or whatever payments is still too much for most. Honestly, I am paying for the Scholar Edition over 12 months. That is stretching my budget.
Suggest discussing situation with Logos Sales => http://www.logos.com/about/contact who can work with you about payment plan, perhaps combining purchases into one monthly payment. Also remember reading about Logos having a phone-in sale recently; not know what could be offered. Likewise if are a student, academic discounts are available (best discount is when Logos is required for class).
I love Logos and think it is quite fantastic, but it is not a must have for me.
My favorite Logos 4 feature is visual filter highlighting using Logos Greek Morphology so can visually see range of verbal expression in a passage; wiki Extended Tips for Visual Filters has => Examples of visual filters that has screen shots with Logos Greek Morphology visual filters and corresponding highlighting palette, which are usable in Greek and English resources with appropriate tagging (e.g. English Reverse Interlinear and Greek resources with morphological tagging).
Apologies: the thread => Hey! they just broke this collection up! shows Logos has broken up many collections this year. If NICOT/NICNT becomes broken up, would anticipate a Logos employee updating the thread. One option is following thread (i.e. "email me when someone replies") to watch for new posts by Logos.
I am thinking of getting a refund and going back to my 2 other pieces of software that does break it up.
Actually, I don't get that. You say you want to leave Logos for one commentary series they (up till now) only carry as a complete set and go to another software that will definitively not carry at all the majority of the extant Logos library? Come on! I found that I spend much more on commentaries than I should, but the only "indispensible" book from NICOT/NT was Fee on 1 Cor - bought it in another software, that's it. If you do this for the ones you really need, you may even convert the sections relevant for your study into a Logos PB, if your understanding of copyright allows it. No reason to throw away the Logos library plus (what's more) the functionality.
I personally think it's a bad thing that Logos doesn't break up NICOT/NT, because both Logos and the publisher are losing money from potential buyers choosing not to buy and from buyers that opt for the competition (another commentary / a commentary in another software). The "excess money" from the full-set sales that otherwise would remain incomplete most probably does not compensate this - but then, these guys have the figures and maybe do their math differently.
Sometimes publishers only allow series to be sold that way
Doubt that it is the publisher in this case, as Logos' number one competitor on the Mac OS sells individual volumes as well as OT and NT sets.
Why doubt? I have no idea where the "problem" lies with this one, but the publisher has individual agreements with various companies. Perhaps they are preventing the break up of the collection as a bargaining tool. Remember the NIV on mobile issue? Other companies were able to provide it before Logos was able to do so. The same could be true here.
Sometimes publishers only allow series to be sold that way Doubt that it is the publisher in this case, as Logos' number one competitor on the Mac OS sells individual volumes as well as OT and NT sets.
It seems to be the publisher, judging from Dan Pritchett's comment answer when the series went into PrePub in 2009 (it was referenced in a parallel thread on the same topic). You may say, this is three years ago - yes, and therefore the sales firgures should show that they now sold the series to all who would want to have it and could afford it as a whole, and it's time to renegotiate the contract and break it up.
Not just one... I like Gordon Fee's works on 1st Corinthians and the other one of 1st and 2nd Thessalonians. I also would get some of F. F. Bruce's works, along with Mounce. These are the most valuable in my humble opinion, but I could get them 1 or 2 ever few months when funds are available for considerably less than the whole (OT & NT) set costs on a 12 month payment plan. If could pay for the set over 2 years, then I might be able to do that once I am done paying off my Scholar Edition.
On a side note, did the upgrade from Logos 3 to Logos 4 cost a lot? This would preclude my chances of buying other works. Thanks.
I completely agree with you on this! I think the move in 2009 was good, but it is now 3 years later. Someone else pointed out that they probably have the people who would buy the complete set all wrapped up and committed. I cannot commit to such a huge work at this time... maybe with a 2nd mortgage.
On a side note, did the upgrade from Logos 3 to Logos 4 cost a lot?
In 2009, Logos changed their licensing so all software is free; only pay for resource licensing (for your use on your devices). Libronix 3 and Logos 4 can peacefully coexist on Windows.
Logos offers minimal crossgrade for new resources in Logos 4 => http://www.logos.com/minimalcrossgrade
Libronix 3 support articles => http://www.logos.com/support/windows/L3/L3_Support includes download link for Libronix 3.0g
Wiki Getting Started with Logos has => Installation + Indexing with stable Logos 4 download links for Mac and PC.
Thank you, Keep Smiling 4 Jesus ! This explains that I can go forward with my resources and software without fear that I will have to pay some hefty cost to upgrade to Windows 8 or the next version of Mac OS. [:D]
These are the most valuable in my humble opinion, but I could get them 1 or 2 ever few months when funds are available for considerably less than the whole (OT & NT) set costs on a 12 month payment plan. If could pay for the set over 2 years, then I might be able to do that once I am done paying off my Scholar Edition.
On a linked subject, it is worth pointing out that, when you buy some resources from a series, you can subsequently call Sales and get a deal on the rest of that series. I did this with WBC, where I had bought a number of the volumes and then in December rang up to upgrade to the whole series, and got a very healthy discount. It is a shame they don't do this with NICOT/NT: I eventually gave up and bought the series with a Payment Plan while it was on sale. I do feel this is not good, though, and that Logos (and the publisher) are probably losing out by not splitting them up (they could do OT & NT, or even subdivisions of them. The other thing that I would like to see is a "Best Commmentaries" offering bundling, say, the top three or five from bestcommentaries.com into one set so that you can get the best (or most popular - don't want to get into an argument here!) commentaries on the book you are studying.
the only "indispensible" book from NICOT/NT was Fee on 1 Cor
I am not sure that I would use the word, 'indispensable', but Hamilton on Genesis, Wenham on Leviticus, Craigie on Deuteronomy, Longman on Ecclesiastes, Waltke on Proverbs, Block on Ezekiel, France on Matthew, Moo on Romans, Adamson on James, Marshall on John's Epistles and Mounce on Revelation are, in my opinion, of a similarly high quality and usefulness to Fee and should not be ignored [:D].
All in all NICOT/NT is my 'go to' commentary set. I paid pretty much full price for it (I was new to Logos and unaware that there were deals to be had) and do not regret it.
I am not sure that I would use the word, 'indispensable', but Hamilton on Genesis, Wenham on Leviticus, Craigie on Deuteronomy, Longman on Ecclesiastes, Waltke on Proverbs, Block on Ezekiel, France on Matthew, Moo on Romans, Adamson on James, Marshall on John's Epistles and Mounce on Revelation are, in my opinion, of a similarly high quality and usefulness to Fee and should not be ignored . All in all NICOT/NT is my 'go to' commentary set. I paid pretty much full price for it (I was new to Logos and unaware that there were deals to be had) and do not regret it.
I am not sure that I would use the word, 'indispensable', but Hamilton on Genesis, Wenham on Leviticus, Craigie on Deuteronomy, Longman on Ecclesiastes, Waltke on Proverbs, Block on Ezekiel, France on Matthew, Moo on Romans, Adamson on James, Marshall on John's Epistles and Mounce on Revelation are, in my opinion, of a similarly high quality and usefulness to Fee and should not be ignored .
I feel that there are a few of value and agree with you. Great point. On that note, I will pray for a blessing where I can buy these and get the set on a payment plan at some point. I am sure I would not regret it, but I just cannot afford it.
On a side note, did you buy the upgrade version for $120? Doesn't that replace some resources? If so, do these resources go away (i.e. would I lose F. F. Bruice's commentary on Hebrews if I were to upgrade?)?
I am sure I would not regret it, but I just cannot afford it.
I fully understand where you are coming from and I feel your frustration. I have just recently passed on the latest Zondervan collection due to financial constraints.
On a side note, did you buy the upgrade version for $120?
Do you mean this,
http://www.logos.com/product/18601/the-new-international-commentary-on-the-old-and-new-testament-upgrade
If so, this is currently on pre-publication and has not yet been released. I have placed an order and am hopeful I will be able to afford it as it moves into publication.
Doesn't that replace some resources? If so, do these resources go away (i.e. would I lose F. F. Bruice's commentary on Hebrews if I were to upgrade?)?
I am certain that you will not lose any resources. The new editions will simply lie alongside the existing volumes. You should never lose access to any resource in Logos. It is one of the reasons I went with Logos rather than other competitors.
Do you mean this, http://www.logos.com/product/18601/the-new-international-commentary-on-the-old-and-new-testament-upgrade If so, this is currently on pre-publication and has not yet been released. I have placed an order and am hopeful I will be able to afford it as it moves into publication.
Yes. Okay, I was worried that they would take away the 3 works already there for 70's when F. F. Bruce was leading this commentary series before Gordon Fee took over editing of it.
the only "indispensible" book from NICOT/NT was Fee on 1 Cor I am not sure that I would use the word, 'indispensable', but Hamilton on Genesis, Wenham on Leviticus, Craigie on Deuteronomy, Longman on Ecclesiastes, Waltke on Proverbs, Block on Ezekiel, France on Matthew, Moo on Romans, Adamson on James, Marshall on John's Epistles and Mounce on Revelation are, in my opinion, of a similarly high quality and usefulness to Fee
I am not sure that I would use the word, 'indispensable', but Hamilton on Genesis, Wenham on Leviticus, Craigie on Deuteronomy, Longman on Ecclesiastes, Waltke on Proverbs, Block on Ezekiel, France on Matthew, Moo on Romans, Adamson on James, Marshall on John's Epistles and Mounce on Revelation are, in my opinion, of a similarly high quality and usefulness to Fee
okay, to put this into perspective: my primary study interest is the NT - to cover the whole bible in a set I use TOTC/TNTC - and I have Moo on Romans in Paper from before I really started with bible software. Otherwise I might have bought him separately, too. But I bought the Pillars NT series when it was on sale here last year, have Witherington's socio-rhetoric series and some other stuff like Lenski, the SIL Summaries, Hendriksen/Kistemaker, single volumes from WBC and NIGTC... Recently I found ZEC to be my favorite format (from the Greek stuff - even including diagramming the sentence structure - down to application). So people can have a lot of good and high-ranking commentaries in Logos apart from NICxT.
Really "indispensible" is no commentary (which actually is my point towards NICOT/NT). There are a lot of good commentaries in NIC, but then again the incremental value that one additional evangelical commentary brings tends to decrease if one already has a number of these. Fee on 1 Cor stands out among the multitude of evangelical commentaries because he assumes a specific position on two highly debated questions regarding this letter. His top-score on Bestcommentaries.com leads more than five points on the second-rated commentary. I like to reads him as an author anyway. For me, this was the reason to buy this resource at another software company. But I would never leave Logos to just use this other software.
okay, to put this into perspective
Apologies, Mick, I was just teasing, but appreciate I may have inadvertently come across as combative which was not my intention.
I broadly agree with you and, in particular, I agree that Fee on Corinthians is particularly fine. I also find the Witherington set really helpful and stimulating. I have looked at the ZEC and considered picking up Arnold on Ephesians via the latest offerings from Zondervan, but ran out of funds. I will now definitely check this series out.
Apologies again for my weird sense of humour. It often gets me in trouble. As you can probably guess, the good Mrs Evans is a very, very patient lady [:D].
okay, to put this into perspective Apologies, Mick, I was just teasing, but appreciate I may have inadvertently come across as combative which was not my intention.
No need to apologize, I think we are fine here - and we Germans should be well-known for our inability to get fine-tuned humour.
Robert, if it's of interest to you, I believe you can buy the four volume upgrade set for NICOT/NICNT without having to buy the full set.
If the particular volumes in the upgrade set do interest you, this could be a good way of getting to know this commentary set before making the much larger investment for the whole set.
I wasn't aware of that.
I am English and so as long as we don't mention the football things should be just fine [:P]. I am not sure I can take another penalty shoot-out between our respective nations! [:D]
God bless,
Andy
Robert, if it's of interest to you, I believe you can buy the four volume upgrade set for NICOT/NICNT without having to buy the full set. If the particular volumes in the upgrade set do interest you, this could be a good way of getting to know this commentary set before making the much larger investment for the whole set.
I appreciate that but I already own the hardbacks of 2 that I'd like a digital version of. I am familiar with the set and have a good idea of which ones is like to buy. Thank you, though.
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