Again, it is very frustrating to be forced to buy 20 volumes when you only want two or three. I do hope they break these collections up soon
I have to admit that collections are not working for me anymore unless they are commentaries sets and even then. It does not make sense from a stewardship angle to purchase an entire collection when you are only interested in less than half of the books (to be generous).
I hope that Logos and publishers will adopt a system that assign a value to items in a collection and let customers choose from books in the collection as long as they spend a minimum amount (e.g. you spend a minimum of $400 and get to choose x number of books that amount to a total of $400 +). this way, you are not stuck with half of the collection that you will never read
Alternatively, something somewhat like what was done for the Christmas sale could be adopted for specific collections. You spend $200, you get 15% off, $300, you get 20% off; $400, you get 25% and so on until you reach the 60% off for buying the 86 volumes of Baker Academic Biblical Studies Bundle.
Great idea. I only wish Baker and Zondervan was as smart. I hit the 50% discount last December and got
A huge credit.
Well, since Logos always implies that it is the publishers that dictate whether or not books will be sold in sets, I emailed them to see.
My email:
I am a user of Logos Bible Software, and many of the books from Baker Academic are available for Logos. Many of those books are only available through bundled sets, which seems to be couterproductive, as the sets end up being cost prohibitive for many. Are these books sold as part of a set per Baker requirements, or is this something that is left up to Logos Bible Software? Thank you for your response. Joseph Turner
The answer:
86 volumes of Baker books or John Edwards Yale for $1000, too rich for my blood.[U]
In a limited browse through the many titles I see several which are already available individually (among the original Baker titles on un-discounted prepub, most easily listed by sorting the pre-pubs by "oldest", and one at least (by Steve Mason) that I already have in each of two other highly discounted bundles (limited duration Christmas bundles [:-*] ).
So I would conclude that it is very likely titles will be available individually for those who only want a few and are willing to pay full price (in fact you may want to check the oldest pre-pubs as they may already be offered). I would also conclude that without a major (unexpected) policy change by Baker Academic, individual titles will not be discounted. I like some of the other suggestions here for getting loyalty credits or discounts for buying titles in quantity: certainly something for Logos marketting and the publishers to think about for the future (does not have to be distant future: tomorrow will be just fine... )
For those who are interested in some of these new bundles, which seem to offer significant discounts from what can be expected to be the regular full price, you may want to check some of your oldest pre pub orders and delete orders for individual titles now included in these new bundles.
For some reason I am not one of those who knows which titles I will never be interested enough to read, as I never quite know where what I am currently reading will point me in the future, so some bundles are still of interest...... I generally check the value to me of what I already know I am likely to be interested in and then look at the cost in a bundle to get the others which I might want to look at in the future. Sometimes I end up with titles I will probably never read: but then again I got a great discount on others I did not think at the time I would ever look at but eventually did get interested in... ( I am not one who has to agree with everying they read.) In these new Baker Academic bundles there are already a number of smaller more focussed bundles. The usual formula applies: the more you are willing to buy the bigger the discount.
The question remains, given many of these individual titles are already shown as "under development", will we get them individually as they are released, or will we have to wait until everything in a bundle is released before we get anything ? [*-)]
given many of these individual tiles are already shown as "under development",
Are you sure? I just checked and each of the 10 series posted shows as "Gathering Interest"...
given many of these individual tiles are already shown as "under development", Are you sure? I just checked and each of the 10 series posted shows as "Gathering Interest"...
He is referring to individual titles like Bock's Jesus according to Scripture that were "Under Development" since before South Sudan became a nation
Interestingly enough, while the proponents of breaking up the Collections and those expressing anguish at the price/quantity of the big collections are numerous on the forums, so far the greatest progress in people signing up for the ten different Baker Collections is the 86 volume set (the largest) by far - it is at about 40% - 45%, while the smaller Collections are (based on an eyeball look) barely at 5% at most. The silent majority has spoken?
I agree: many of these titles started out a couple of years ago as individual items (when Baker first made a group of their books available via Logos). They were very slow movers and are now some of the oldest items still on pre-pub. Now that they are parts of collections we get calls for the collections to be broken up.... [8-)]
I don't have a problem with them in pre-pub as sets, because if does offer a bigger discount, but at that point most of the people who are interested in the whole set have purchased it, so I think that they should then offer the set OR the individual titles once out of pre-pub. That way, they have made a good deal of money already, and they can charge the individual titles higher if they desire.
Yes, the bundled price is "high" from one perspective... I was going to pass on this set entirely... but then I did some calculations. Out of the 86 volumes included, I note that there are about 30 that I would want and would definitely read and consult. Some of those individual titles are already in my list of prepubs. Anyway, it is unfortunate, but it seems that Baker titles don't have much of a reduction after emerging from prepub. So I would assume that the individual titles upon breaking up the bundles would be at or pretty near the full price. So I calculated an average of about $30 per individual title (a shot in the dark, admittedly, but estimated based upon the titles I currently have in prepub that are included in the bundle... the prepub prices of those volumes are considerably higher than $30 each... I'm confident that the post prepub prices aren't going to be any less) , times the 30 titles I would definitely want... and I'm already up to $900. That means that the additional 56 volumes that I was less interested in would cost me about $99... less than $2 each if looked at from that perspective. I suspect the "deal" would actually be better than that, as I really think my $30 "average" is a bit low. It wouldn't surprise me if my 30 volumes ended up pricing out at about $1200 after bundle break up. Which makes the remaining 56 volumes, in a sense, "free" to me, after saving myself $200 (the current bundle price versus what I am anticipating I'm going to have to pay to get these books separately). Calculating the entire 86 volume set at $999 comes out to a bit more than $11 per volume.
So... its definitely a BIG investment.... I really wish they would offer payment plans on large prepub bundles like this... and it isn't a move I'd recommend for a lot of folks. But it might make good sense stewardship-wise depending on your situation. Personally, I went ahead with it, when I didn't initially think I would. I suspect that it will take a while to enter development, and then even longer than that to be released... so I'm figuring that I have quite a while to save up the money (the publication dates listed in the ad indicate arange of dates up to 2013... so that suggests that some haven't even been published yet). I'll set aside a bit each month from now until release to make sure I can afford it (kindof doing my own payment plan, so to speak). But each person is going to have to make some calculations of their own to compare what the post bundled price is likely to be for teh volumes that they would definitely want, and compare this to the bundled price.
And then start saving.
I also decided to get the 86 volume collection when I saw the 60% price cut. It is pricey but will introduce me to many new authors.
so far the greatest progress in people signing up for the ten different Baker Collections is the 86 volume set (the largest) by far - it is at about 40% - 45%, while the smaller Collections are (based on an eyeball look) barely at 5% at most.
That's very odd, isn't it? I mean, if you buy the Bundle, you buy all the smaller collections at the same time. If the Bundle is fully financed and goes into production, so do all the collections. Thus it ought to be impossible for the collections to have a lower progress than the Bundle. [^o)]
All this math is making my brain hurt. Someone just give me the $999.00 so I can order the entire set. No good seminary library in my neck of the woods.
Of course, most forum readers would want the same thing. [:D]
I get how it might seem odd fgh but for that logic to be true the smaller packages would need to be linked to the larger for it to work that way, but rightly they are treated separately
I wonder about the opposite - if someone orders all the books, and a smaller collection goes into development, does the purchaser of the whole set et access to the smaller collection at prepub price?
I don't think so, the larger set might still go into production at a later date, and that would then make things messing in terms of payments
FYI, today's blog post says that you only have until August 12 to order at the current price. After that it goes up to $1,399.95. Better decide soon!
http://blog.logos.com/2012/08/huge-savings-on-a-massive-academic-collection-from-baker-publishing/
Tom
With the New Testament bundle priced on pre-pub at $944.95 for 57 volumes, it is surprising that the Old Testament Bundle of an additional 29 titles can be added for a total price of $999.95. Little wonder it is a limited time offer....
FYI, today's blog post says that you only have until August 12 to order at the current price. After that it goes up to $1,399.95. Better decide soon! http://blog.logos.com/2012/08/huge-savings-on-a-massive-academic-collection-from-baker-publishing/ Tom
Short of a miracle im out.
Short of a miracle im out
Same here.
Short of a miracle im out Same here.
Sigh!!! such a nice collection. Would make me want to study full time. I would like to do that even without the collection. [:)]
Truth be told, Lynden, I've already got so much that I'm quite sure I'll never read/study it all!
If it is helpful to anyone to get a real-world idea of the cost, I printed off the list and priced each volume in the 86 volume set with the least expensive new paper volume on Amazon.com, and the total came out at $1971.00. It does seem to be a great deal and there are some great volumes. Unfortunately, after taking advantage of the Hermeneia deal, I can't really afford it. [:'(]
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