Advance Notice: Logos Ending Windows XP Support October 26, 2012
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Richard .. you're saying Bob's going to continue writing code for XP issues? I thought that was what he was NOT going to do. Thus another thread requesting a 'final XP' Logos4 downloadable.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
Richard .. you're saying Bob's going to continue writing code for XP issues? I thought that was what he was NOT going to do. Thus another thread requesting a 'final XP' Logos4 downloadable.
D- Bob CLEARLY states that Logos would be willing to do service releases if necessary for XP users. No one should take this to mean new features on those older platforms.
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D - here is the quote:
Bob Pritchett said:We intend to retain the ability to compile and release on the existing XP-compatible platform so that we can even do a "service pack" as necessary to 4.6. We're just giving advance notice that we'll be moving future releases to .NET 4, and thus losing this XP support.
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Thanks Alabama.
This is getting a little confusing since I suppose one Logos4 release could fix an XP issue with the next week's release demanding Vista+ support. And if the XP platform suddenly hickup-ed AFTER the Vista+ release, the XP'ers wouldn't have a usable Logos4. But at least they were given notice.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Just for your info. I have a Macbook air with Mountain Lion for use on the road. But I need by desktop and my lap top in XP for some critical work.
I would not tell people " If you have comments on your life in America, go home!", instead "go tell your congressmen."
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I am disappointed with the short notice that will effectively degrade the value of Logos for me going forwards. I have investigated upgrading from XP and as this will result in me requiring a new computer is not an option at this time. I appreciate that some may be in a position to upgrade but as a Precept leader and trainer who works in a voluntary capacity there is nothing in the budget.
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Janice Watts said:
I am disappointed with the short notice that will effectively degrade the value of Logos for me going forwards. I have investigated upgrading from XP and as this will result in me requiring a new computer is not an option at this time. I appreciate that some may be in a position to upgrade but as a Precept leader and trainer who works in a voluntary capacity there is nothing in the budget.
As has been noted time and time again, nothing will change immediately. You will still be able to use Logos and you will most likely even be able to buy new resources. Even when things do change, you can still continue to use what you already have. You will simply be lost in time.
george
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There is one question that hasn't been asked (so far as I remember); what if someone finds it necessary to reinstall Logos and has Xp? Will there be a downloadable program which doesn't require the upgrade of the OS? Some cannot upgrade their machine's OS.
george
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George Somsel said:
There is one question that hasn't been asked (so far as I remember); what if someone finds it necessary to reinstall Logos and has Xp? Will there be a downloadable program which doesn't require the upgrade of the OS? Some cannot upgrade their machine's OS.
A very good question!
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Actually, given the logic of Alabama's point, the 'minute' Bob compiles a Vista+ feasture into Logos4, then XP users are really at the mercy of anything and everything that installs inself into XP (since MS too is walking away also). My case is a little different (staying on Libronix) since I'm inside a virtual box with an early version of XP that nothing messes with (outside of 'me'). So essentially the 'clock' is Bob's compiler. One can't just 'settle back' and smell the roses forgoing Logos4 updates.
It would be nice to have a final version of Logos4/XP but I'm not sure how most people could install it (since Bob's cloud would have moved on).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I'm not computer savvy and down have the resources to upgrade to Vista or Windows 8. Will my Logos 4 still work? How does it affect me?I bought the LOGOS Unlock the power of Logos Bible software but it does not even open up. Been too busy to research why?
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George Somsel said:
There is one question that hasn't been asked (so far as I remember); what if someone finds it necessary to reinstall Logos and has Xp? Will there be a downloadable program which doesn't require the upgrade of the OS? Some cannot upgrade their machine's OS.
You can still download Logos 3 (Libronix) from the web, so it is safe to assume, that the installer file will be available for users to download L4 for Xp. If the software can distinguish what os you have ( to know whether you should be upgraded, most likely when you download the installer for L4, it will consider the os and decide what to install.
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George Conner said:
I'm not computer savvy and down have the resources to upgrade to Vista or Windows 8. Will my Logos 4 still work? How does it affect me?I bought the LOGOS Unlock the power of Logos Bible software but it does not even open up. Been too busy to research why?
Welcome to the forums George. Please see the Logos blog, where they explain that as long as windows XP works, your current version of Logos will continue to work. http://blog.logos.com/2012/09/advanced-notice-on-discontinued-platform-support/
Also, the first post in this thread, Bob Pritchchett, explains that not only will you be able to run Logos 4 on XP, you will be able to purchase books for it, and they may even produce a update for it.
Have not fear, your investment is protected.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:George Conner said:
I'm not computer savvy and down have the resources to upgrade to Vista or Windows 8. Will my Logos 4 still work? How does it affect me?I bought the LOGOS Unlock the power of Logos Bible software but it does not even open up. Been too busy to research why?
Welcome to the forums George. Please see the Logos blog, where they explain that as long as windows XP works, your current version of Logos will continue to work. http://blog.logos.com/2012/09/advanced-notice-on-discontinued-platform-support/
Also, the first post in this thread, Bob Pritchchett, explains that not only will you be able to run Logos 4 on XP, you will be able to purchase books for it, and they may even produce a update for it.
Have not fear, your investment is protected.
Thank you for your welcome although I'm probably one of the charter members here. I'm not concerned about MY INVESTMENT since I'm running Windows 7 64 bit which is not the OS (Xp) which is not going to continue to be supported. I was thinking rather of those among us who do run Xp and who can't afford / do not wish to change their OS or who would need to buy a new computer.
george
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George Somsel said:
Thank you for your welcome although I'm probably one of the charter members here. I'm not concerned about MY INVESTMENT since I'm running Windows 7 64 bit which is not the OS (Xp) which is not going to continue to be supported. I was thinking rather of those among us who do run Xp and who can't afford / do not wish to change their OS or who would need to buy a new computer.
George,
FYI... Lynden was talking to a different George.
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tom collinge said:
George,
FYI... Lynden was talking to a different George.
How can that be? I'm the only George in the whole wide world !!! [;)] [:D] [6]
I'm St George, the dragon-slayer.
george
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George Somsel said:
How can that be? I'm the only George in the whole wide world !!!
I'm St George, the dragon-slayer.
I don't know, but somehow we now have two georges in the whole wide world. I guess the two of you are going to have to fight to the death so that we will only have one george.
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tom collinge said:
so that we will only have one george.
Do not forget George of the Jungle [8-|] There may be other Georges, but there can only be one George Somsel [H]
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Jack Caviness said:
Do not forget George of the Jungle
There may be other Georges, but there can only be one George Somsel 
AKA: Georgeous George [;)] [:D]
george
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I think most folks understand that our versions of Logos will continue to operate but that we won't be able to run any new updates or get any more books unless we just happen to be someone who's blessed with the kind of money that can afford to either upgrade their current computer or buy a new one. I'm not aware of any other possible options then those. That's what makes me unhappy. I don't have that kind of money, and because I don't, I'm aware that many others also don't have that kind of money. So for us, it's a real downer to hear that we won't be able to use any of the upgrades or get anymore books. We're done basically, there's no two ways about it. Unless of course someone dies and leaves us a bunch of money or something like that. And to top it off, if we use the home page on our logos, I'm sure we'll see the carrot waving in our faces every day showing us just how much we're missing. I could moan and cry and say "it's not fair", but then nothing in this life is and was never guaranteed to be. So instead I guess I'll choose to be thankful to the Lord that He gave me the wonderful Logos program that I have, turn off updates, and turn off all the home page stuff except excerpts from my books so I don't have my nose rubbed in it constantly to tempt me to be greedy and covet what I can't have. So thank you for the wonderful program and all the wonderful books I already have. God is in control and I know He knows what He's doing, and I trust Him. Therefore I can say, The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised.
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Cindy, the one thing you do not have to do is turn off updates. Logos will not download an update that will not work on your computer. IOW it will check for compatibility before trying to update you.Cindy LaFreniere said:turn off updates,
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Cindy LaFreniere said:
I think most folks understand that our versions of Logos will continue to operate but that we won't be able to run any new updates or get any more books
Both parts are only "kind of" true. Logos has said that they will provide SR's if needed, so you could get updates… just not new feature updates. Also, no one from Logos has said that you will not be able to purchase new books… just that if new resources depend upon new features (data sets, etc.), then they might be incompatible with the older version. This is a similar situation to users who have been using L3 for several years now since the release of L4. It was only recently that new resources were no longer compatible with L3. I assume that it might be similar with L4.
Cindy LaFreniere said:So thank you for the wonderful program and all the wonderful books I already have. God is in control and I know He knows what He's doing, and I trust Him. Therefore I can say, The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised.
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Wow I wish you would have told me that before I spent the extremely large amount of money for the program last month.
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Barbara S Benjamin said:
Wow I wish you would have told me that before I spent the extremely large amount of money for the program last month.
If you would like, it is very likely that you can get your money back by calling Logos.
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Does Logos 4 report home on what OS we are using? [I.E. how do they KNOW what OS we use?]
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David Ames said:
Does Logos 4 report home on what OS we are using? [I.E. how do they KNOW what OS we use?]
I think it does - otherwise the statistics a la "x% of our users are on ABC ver zz.zz" would be impossible.
Have joy in the Lord!
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David Ames said:
Does Logos 4 report home on what OS we are using? [I.E. how do they KNOW what OS we use?]
i'm sure that there are tools within the installer which can identify which OS that it is operating within.
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steve clark said:David Ames said:
Does Logos 4 report home on what OS we are using? [I.E. how do they KNOW what OS we use?]
i'm sure that there are tools within the installer which can identify which OS that it is operating within.
Steve, of course the software knows - the OS version is in the first lines of the logs that are written by Logos. But it seems it also synchronizes this info to Logos' servers.
Have joy in the Lord!
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David Ames said:
Does Logos 4 report home on what OS we are using? [I.E. how do they KNOW what OS we use?]
My guess is that it checks for the presence of certain specific files.
george
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NB.Mick said:
Steve, of course the software knows - the OS version is in the first lines of the logs that are written by Logos. But it seems it also synchronizes this info to Logos' servers.
Ooops, guess i didn't read all the posts leading up to this one.
Presumed that the poster was referring to how the future installer would determine which version to install. Since this thread was in regard to not working with certain OS's.
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Dear Bob, I fully understand that like Microsoft, your company is in business primarily to make a profit. Vista was a failure, Windows 7 little better. I have not upgraded my XP Professional because many of the programmes on my computer will not run on Vista or Windows 7 without expensive upgrades. . Thank you for the warning. My only questions are (1) can I transfer my Logos 4 package to a computer that will have Windows 7 professional as the basic platform, and if so, how long will that continue to be serviced? and (2) Is it worthwhile taking the trouble to make the transfer.. Yours sincerely, Brian Lawton. jblawton@talktalk.net
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Brian - First, welcome to the forums! You might want to edit your post and remove your email address. Subscribing to the thread is a better idea… Spambots will steal your email address!
John Brian Lawton said:My only questions are (1) can I transfer my Logos 4 package to a computer that will have Windows 7 professional as the basic platform
You can install Logos on as many computers as you own, for your personal use.
John Brian Lawton said:and if so, how long will that continue to be serviced?
Logos will have to answer that one, but I assume it would work for quite a while (4-5 years minimum). Remember… XP is 11 years old!
John Brian Lawton said:Is it worthwhile taking the trouble to make the transfer..
Not quite sure what you mean. If you want to know about installing Logos on another computer, it only takes a good internet connection and a little time.
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John Brian Lawton said:
My only questions are (1) can I transfer my Logos 4 package to a computer that will have Windows 7 professional as the basic platform, and if so, how long will that continue to be serviced? and (2) Is it worthwhile taking the trouble to make the transfer..
Welcome Brian!
First, you may want to remove your email address from your post to prevent spambots from seeing it. To do that click the "More" button to the top right of your post, then select "Edit." Note: there is a limited amount of time you are allowed to edit it. You can either delete your email, or disguise it like this j b lauton (no spaces) at talk talk (no space) dot net (there are other methods that work too, whatever you're comfortable with.)
Now to answer your questions, obviously I'm not Bob, just a forum MVP, but I think I can answer your first question easily. "Yes." When you purchase L4, the license is with you, not with a particular machine. You may install it on as many machines as you own, as long as you are the only one to use the program (exceptions made for young children and spouse who is not using L4 professionally). To make L4 run on a new machine, you simply install it as before, with your Logos4 login, or use one of the methods in the Wiki here: http://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers
The second question is a bit harder to address, since it involves a bit more nuance, and subjectivity. Personally, I like Win7 much better than XP, but that's merely a matter of personal taste. L4 does work well in both environments, however, when Logos moves to .NET 4.5, it is likely that several things will improve in L4 that will not be available to XP (since XP does not support .NET 4.5). I suspect that when Logos makes the jump to .Net 4.5 we'll see some performance improvements, but I don't have any inside information on that, or on a time-table for that. The other factor here for you are those programs that won't work in Win7 (are you sure they won't run, even in XP-mode?). Depending on how important those programs are to you, it may or may not be worth the trouble.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Am I the only one who thinks that the reason that the release date for Windows 8 was picked to drop support for XP is because there will be a version of Logos released that day that cannot run on XP?
Something that starts with a 5 and ends with a .0 perhaps...
It's all so exciting [:D]
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul Golder said:
Am I the only one who thinks that the reason that the release date for Windows 8 was picked to drop support for XP is because there will be a version of Logos released that day that cannot run on XP?
Something that starts with a 5 and ends with a .0 perhaps...
It's all so exciting
Yeah, I think you're the only one—at least I hope so (even more, I hope that was tongue in cheek).
george
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Paul Golder said:
Am I the only one who thinks that the reason that the release date for Windows 8 was picked to drop support for XP is because there will be a version of Logos released that day that cannot run on XP?
Something that starts with a 5 and ends with a .0 perhaps...
I don't expect it will be that exact day, but, yes, I've wondered the same thing.
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fgh said:
I don't expect it will be that exact day, but, yes, I've wondered the same thing.
It may not be that exact date, but I'm sure it will be close.
There is the possibility that 4.6 will be built on .NET 4.5, but it is more likely that they have been building L5 on .NET 4.5.
And in setting an exact date that XP support will end, it would seem that a version of Logos that uses .NET 4.5 will be released on, or shortly after that date.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul Golder said:
Am I the only one who thinks that the reason that the release date for Windows 8 was picked to drop support for XP is because there will be a version of Logos released that day that cannot run on XP?
Something that starts with a 5 and ends with a .0 perhaps...
It's all so exciting
If Logos does go to 5.0, it better have a lot of bug fixes.
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Paul Golder said:
And in setting an exact date that XP support will end, it would seem that a version of Logos that uses .NET 4.5 will be released on, or shortly after that date.
How about April 5? (4-5) [;)]
george
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For the attention of Bob Pritchard
When I first purchased logos software the company was small and their policy seem to be to try and supply biblical software to as many people as possible, the specifications of the computer came second, programming always was made so it would run on older machines, computers that are five years old are still very powerful, when you put it into perspective what is Bible software ? How much should it cost to buy a computer which will enable to run logos software? Then you buy the package, a lot of people just have not got the money to go out and buy a new computer purely to run biblical software, is this bad programming? When you think about it this is a database system that uses a search engine, how many of these new features really are needed? I thought I was purchasing biblical software resources that was enabled to search them and work with them in such a way that the word of God would be more rewarding ,maybe that's not the correct word to use? I'd like to know how a biblical software application needs more power than some of the top end graphic applications? myself I was thinking of upgrading my old computer to Window 8 , but there is also the hardware driver problems, upgrading to Windows 7 would cost me in the UK approximately £95.00
just so I can run a Bible software application that seems to be always crashing, I have seen new features some of them are totally not needed, how many features does a Bible software application need? Vista operating system have so many problems most people have either gone to Windows XP, or upgraded to a new computer, in seven years time is the same thing going to happen? , I just don't know what to do at the moment, I'm just a lay person who wants to use a good library of books with great search results but I have seen new features added that most people won't use, these features seem to be aimed at the elite in biblical studies, okay I'm going on a bit and just very disappointed anybody interested in buying a library
Platinum version with all the Greek and Hebrew teaching module the library is approximately 4950 paid resources , I think this where my journey ends with logos , I am just one of many who probably will not be even noticed
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Michael Parry -Thomas said:
When I first purchased logos software the company was small and their policy seem to be to try and supply biblical software to as many people as possible, the specifications of the computer came second, programming always was made so it would run on older machines, computers that are five years old are still very powerful, when you put it into perspective what is Bible software ? How much should it cost to buy a computer which will enable to run logos software?
If you read some of the suggestions on the forum, you will note that they are not in short supply. It seems everyone, his brother and his second cousin has a suggestion. Added features require more programming which can become more complex coding. This leads to being on the bleeding edge of performance. If you think you should be able to run Logos on your old Comodore 64, you will be in for a rude awakening. The question is "Do we want all of the Rolls Royce features or do we want a simple program which will run on any computer?"
george
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George Somsel said:
How about April 5? (4-5)
Na, that would be too gimmicky.
Got to remember that Logos is the hip and cool, bike fixing, chili eating, coffee drinking, ball playing, "west coast" company.
Has to be a more trendy date [;)]
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Michael, Logos will continue to run on your windows XP machine. You will also be able to buy additional resources after October 26. What you will not be able to do, is install Logos 5 (my guess) and any other version of the software that will take advantage of net 4.5. Logos has said that they may even offer a Service Pack if necessary.
Be of good cheer, everything will continue to work after October 26, 2012.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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I am extremely disappointed in this decision. I have been a loyal user of Logos for over 15 years and now feel like I have been kicked out of the family. I understand that I still will be able to use Logos as it currently exists, but it sounds like I will not be able to upgrade or add resources. I have a good computer, even though it is 5 years old, that runs XP. My computer is not equipped to run Windows 7, so I can't just upgrade software. I have no need or desire to buy a new computer.
Again I am very disappointed and ask that you reconsider your decision.
Thanks,
Fred Kyle
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Fred Kyle said:
but it sounds like I will not be able to upgrade or add resources.
Welcome to the forums Fred. You will still be able to buy resources for Logos 4 on XP, however new resources that require advanced databases available for Vista and above will not work on your system.
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Michael Parry -Thomas said:
I'd like to know how a biblical software application needs more power than some of the top end graphic applications?
Logos 4 is one of the TOP END GRAPHIC APPLICATIONS!!!!!!
All that you see are painted to the screen in a GRAPHIC mode not in a text mode.
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