Advance Notice: Logos Ending Windows XP Support October 26, 2012
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Ernst Sibberson said:
This does not make me happy. Upgrading to Win 7 from WP will cost an extreme amount of money as I'll have to upgrade several other high-end programs like Dreamweaver 8 and Photoshop CS!
Get Win 7 Pro and download XP Mode for free so you can run those expensive programs (almost) seamlessly with Win 7 software.
Dave
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Does this mean the updates like the one I just got for bug fixes will not be available anymore for XP versions? And does this also means I cannot buy other books to add to my Library?
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Bug fixes are envisioned. Format of books may change in time, but now unforseen.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Just another news item to fuel the fire, Google Apps dropping support for IE 8 and de facto Windows XP in November, unless another browser can be used:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/16/google-apps-to-shed-support-for-internet-explorer-8/
The move away from XP will be fast and furious in the next year since Microsoft has declared their intent. It will be all apps to be sure.
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it saddens my heart that you have to keep changing software.
It really gets old when software works and then all of a sudden we have to jump to somethijng else which means for some of us changing software versions, etc. which is a bigcost to some of us.
It would be so simple if people would just get something that is working and stick to it.
If there is a chance to continue getting the monthly books, that would be appreciated. I use XP.
Thank you for the notice.
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David Waltemyer said:
It would be so simple if people would just get something that is working and stick to it.
If there is a chance to continue getting the monthly books, that would be appreciated. I use XP.
I know what you mean. I haven't had any use for my buggy whip for a long time. [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I AM a Logos user who remains with XP, and I don't plan to switch anytime soon. Vista is awful and W7 does nothing I want to do that XP doesn't do - so why should I enrich Microsoft for nothing.
I am not aware of the technicalities of NET4.5 against NET4 - does it really do anything new that you want and need? If yes then I can undertsand your desire to advance, but please don't change just for the sake of it.
In any event PLEASE note on all future book releases whether or not they will work on the old format so that we can be aware of problems before we buy!!
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Hi David. And welcome to the Logos forums.
XP was definitely a winner (and still is). Regarding NET, Logos4 never really crossed into Net4 due to MS issues (as I understand it). So quite a bit of customer whining (on the forum!) ran up against NET integration features that couldn't go forward.
Your suggestion on which books not XP would be good. I love the older Libronix version (and I run it on XP!). But I have to guess and use my amazing lack of memory as to which books don't have Libronix versions.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I wonder whether updates to existing books will continue to be accesible for those like me who don't plan to switch from XP anytime soon?
XP works well and I see no point in switching to enrich Microsoft at no benefit to me.
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David Joseph Sinclair said:
I wonder whether updates to existing books will continue to be accesible for those like me who don't plan to switch from XP anytime soon?
XP works well and I see no point in switching to enrich Microsoft at no benefit to me.
There might be more benefit than you think. If you install Windows 7 64 bit you can access more memory than you can with a 32 bit system. This makes some programs function faster.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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David Joseph Sinclair said:
I wonder whether updates to existing books will continue to be accesible for those like me who don't plan to switch from XP anytime soon?
Answer is yes, as long as the update does not use any functions that are not supported currently (remembering that Bob has clearly stated that Logos have no plans to change the format or introduce new functionality at the moment),
God Bless
Graham
Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke
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David Waltemyer said:
it saddens my heart that you have to keep changing software.
Actually we don't have to keep changing software as long as we are happy with what we have. Whilst I use Logos on Windows 7 I have decided to stop at XP for Sonar (music software). Benefit is everything will carry on working like it does now. Down side is that I don't get the new features.
God Bless
Graham
Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke
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Graham Owen said:
I have decided to stop at XP for Sonar (music software). Benefit is everything will carry on working like it does now. Down side is that I don't get the new features.
Just don't do what I did: I kept writing in MacWrite Pro for so long that when I finally realized I had to give it up, even the conversion tools were outdated. I'll probably end up having spent well over 100 hours before I've gotten all old files into a format I can still read, with the help of two pre OS X computers, floppies, USB stick, and multiple conversions for each file. You have no idea how much I wish I'd been more sensible.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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All is well I have to accept that your company will move on, however-I do not accept that we have purchased packages and not all the books have been issued from over a year ago such as the catholic builders library, and I dont see a rush in production so these promised books for the collection since I do not have the money to purchase a new computer and the older not too old but older hp's did not like a upgrade for vista I am stuck not being able to accept updates which since its all obe motion new books even if it was still compatible. Thus, I am left in the dust with out the full library. I have been patient waiting for these additional titles and I see where patience has gotton me again. I won't share how I feel right about now.
William
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P.S. Sorry about the addition here but I am a bit aggravated. 2 years ago I was influenced by Logos to upgrade to 4.0 from a email they sent about those not upgrading to 4.0 will not be able to receive a working copy of the hebrew pronunciation that they had to develop it with the abilities built into 4.0 and once again, patience in waiting for this since its pre-release date of years and years ago. Now, hindsight says I should not have spent on that upgrade and just stayed with logos 3. Never did receive the hebrew pronunciation plugin as of yet.
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I apologize to the forum. I am a user and currently still learning how to operate my Logos 4 system. The way I understood the information was it was going to cost me money to keep getting updated. Sorry for my misinterpretation.
Respectfully, Rickey Lamphere
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Only a few more days till D day folks! I'm really posting though because of something I saw in the above post that made a lot of sense.. I sure hope that all future books as will have a note on them saying whether or not they'll work for those of us who use XP. I'd sure hate to buy a book only to discover that it didn't work on my computer..... I'm still very sad this is happening. It just doesn't seem right.
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Cindy LaFreniere said:
Only a few more days till D day folks! I'm really posting though because of something I saw in the above post that made a lot of sense.. I sure hope that all future books as will have a note on them saying whether or not they'll work for those of us who use XP. I'd sure hate to buy a book only to discover that it didn't work on my computer..... I'm still very sad this is happening. It just doesn't seem right.
Not to worry since Logos will take back any resource you purchase within 30 days. Perhaps you were having a bad hair day when you bought it.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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That is true George for the immediate sales, but how about those packages that you purchased over a year ago and the package contents have yet to be totally fulfilled?
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William Middleton said:
That is true George for the immediate sales, but how about those packages that you purchased over a year ago and the package contents have yet to be totally fulfilled?
You don't "purchase" them until they ship and are paid for.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I don't know which is scarier ... Halloween or Logos4 on XP after midnight the 26th. Maybe I should go to bed early just in case.
But Cindy ... I wouldn't hold my breath on Logos letting XP owners of Logos4 know that a purchase they'd like won't run on their PC. Even now on Libronix, you pretty much have to keep track of 'new' vs 'old' on your own. And their latest 'gotcha' (which I assume is still in place) is the purchase will download but it won't install without major surgery. I'm really glad I didn't go forward with Logos4 3 years ago. Surprisingly they haven't published much I want since then either and most up their Logos4 upgrades are Libronix-catch-ups. A-Company's doing quite a bit more (for what I'm interested in).
But to let Logos 'off the hook' a bit, my guess is they really don't have the internal discipline to even keep track of things like this. A while back I bought a product sold only for Libronix and the invoice only had a Logos4 link. When I got a refund, the lady didn't see any issue nor did I try to explain their products to her. She was nice though. It pretty much sums up their system: forums help the users and the refund people pick up the pieces.
Of course I'm so stupid I didn't notice I already had the Libronix piece (though didn't pay for it, so who knows).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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George Somsel said:William Middleton said:
That is true George for the immediate sales, but how about those packages that you purchased over a year ago and the package contents have yet to be totally fulfilled?
You don't "purchase" them until they ship and are paid for.
Dearest George,
Humbly speaking, here is an example of making statements prior to research. One example that comes to mind is the Catholic Library Builder. Purchased over a year ago, and within its description is this:
Note: The licenses for nineteen of these volumes are included with purchase, but are still in the process of being built. Files coming soon.
The file count has come down in number.
God bless and have a great day George.
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George Somsel said:
You don't "purchase" them until they ship and are paid for.
William Middleton said:Dearest George,
Humbly speaking, here is an example of making statements prior to research. One example that comes to mind is the Catholic Library Builder. Purchased over a year ago, and within its description is this:
Note: The licenses for nineteen of these volumes are included with purchase, but are still in the process of being built. Files coming soon.
The file count has come down in number.
If you don't want what you already have and wish to cancel the rest, contact Logos. I'll wager (even though I'm not a betting man) that they'll take them back.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I see none of them bothered to let us know if future books will have a note on them saying whether or not they'll work with XP. This whole thing is just so wrong, but I know they won't ever see it that way. Well here's another question I'd like an answer to that I just thought of. I always send in typo errors and when I did that just now it occurred to me that I probably shouldn't bother since my books probably won't ever get updated again. I'd like to know if that's true or not. I'd also like to know if Logos 5 runs on windows 7.. I do have another computer, a laptop I bought just last year, that's windows 7, so maybe i can still get updates on that computer. I have a feeling it won't, but figured it was worth asking anyway. My other computer, the one they say is now too old, is only 2 years old. Guess I need to still pray on this and ask forgiveness because I'm obviously still upset about not getting anymore updates.
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Cindy LaFreniere said:
I see none of them bothered to let us know if future books will have a note on them saying whether or not they'll work with XP. This whole thing is just so wrong, but I know they won't ever see it that way. Well here's another question I'd like an answer to that I just thought of. I always send in typo errors and when I did that just now it occurred to me that I probably shouldn't bother since my books probably won't ever get updated again. I'd like to know if that's true or not. I'd also like to know if Logos 5 runs on windows 7.. I do have another computer, a laptop I bought just last year, that's windows 7, so maybe i can still get updates on that computer. I have a feeling it won't, but figured it was worth asking anyway. My other computer, the one they say is now too old, is only 2 years old. Guess I need to still pray on this and ask forgiveness because I'm obviously still upset about not getting anymore updates.
Logos still updates some very old publications so you can expect them to continue to update them if needed. Yes, L5 will run on Windows 7 (I don't yet have L5, but plenty of Windows 7 users do).
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Cindy LaFreniere said:
I see none of them bothered to let us know if future books will have a note on them saying whether or not they'll work with XP
If you have L4, the majority of your books will work, even in XP. The formatting of the books for L5 and L4 are not that different. Unlike the move from Libronix to L4, L5 is not a major rewrite, so L4 books will continue to work in L5.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Cindy LaFreniere said:
I see none of them bothered to let us know if future books will have a note on them saying whether or not they'll work with XP. This whole thing is just so wrong, but I know they won't ever see it that way. Well here's another question I'd like an answer to that I just thought of. I always send in typo errors and when I did that just now it occurred to me that I probably shouldn't bother since my books probably won't ever get updated again. I'd like to know if that's true or not. I'd also like to know if Logos 5 runs on windows 7.. I do have another computer, a laptop I bought just last year, that's windows 7, so maybe i can still get updates on that computer. I have a feeling it won't, but figured it was worth asking anyway. My other computer, the one they say is now too old, is only 2 years old. Guess I need to still pray on this and ask forgiveness because I'm obviously still upset about not getting anymore updates.
Just a couple of points to both help clarify and help in your discernment. What you have will continue to work; you appear to be upset that Logos won't continue to enhance a hardware/software platform that will no longer have any support from the vendor who built that software, namely Microsoft. Logos is not withdrawing their software, they are not preventing it from running, they are simply saying, like many software companies are right now, that they cannot be held responsible to support this for their customers by adding new things to it. Do you really see that as an unreasonable position? How would you support problems, bugs, performance issues, enhancements that don't work when Microsoft tells Logos the platform is no longer supported?
Here is a very real example to consider. When you read the posts in these forums about users' experience so fr with Logos 5 on the PC platform, you'll see some comments among the many - (1) it's faster (2) it displays faster (3) layout of information is much improved, with less white space and weird breaks in information display (4) fonts are improved, for example Syriac displays properly and it never did. These all came from Logos updating their software to use WPF 4/.NET 4.5, which does not run on XP however!!! So how would Logos get version 5 to run on XP?
Some other answers to your comments:
1. You will still get updates to Logos 4 on Windows XP. Bob has even in the last few days said that additional updates/fixes are coming for Logos 4.
2. Books will continue to be updated, as they have for years.
3. I am running Logos 5 on both Windows 7 and Windows 8 without a problem.
4. Are you saying you have a 2 year old laptop, the one "that they say is too old", that runs XP? Do its hardware specs match running Logos 4/5? If so, and if you are interested in future updates and books from Logos, which will cost money, have you considered upgrading that laptop to Windows 7 or 8? I am 99% sure that any computer that can run XP can run Windows 7 well, so the only question would be if it is powerful enough to run Logos. Upgrades to Windows 8 are also cheap right now, you can read more about it here. That link will also check your computer to see if it is able to run Windows 8.
If you are interested in this possibility please feel free to post your computer model or hardware specs on here, and I am sure you will get excellent opinion on whether that computer is suitable to run Logos 5.
Good luck, and so sorry this is a trying situation for you!
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Cindy LaFreniere said:
I see none of them bothered to let us know if future books will have a note on them saying whether or not they'll work with XP.
If any future books don't run on XP, they will have a note saying that this is the case.
Right now, all books on Community Pricing, Pre-Pub, and everything for sale at Logos.com except the new Logos 5 datasets, will run on XP. (Thus there is no need for a note. If a book says it runs on "PC", it will run on XP.)
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Thank you, I didn't realize that. I don't want to get L5 but it's nice to know that m;y newest new computer isn't too old. lol
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Thank you, I didn't realize that. I started out with libronix and upgraded to L4 and was under the impression it was going to be the same old thing all over again, so this was helpful.
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Yes, my desktop isn't quite two years old and my lap top is only a year old. My laptop already has windows 7, I couldn't find anything with XP. My desktop was supposed to come with both windows 7 and xp on it. I wanted XP so that's what I use on it. I can probably change it over to windows 7 but I don't want to. I'm set in my ways LOL When I find something I like and it works well, I don't see any reason to mess with it. But, if I had to pay to have it changed to windows 7, I couldn't afford it anyway. I'm happy with what I have now, both as far as my computers and my logos. The only thing that would bother me is if I couldn't still get books when I can afford them.
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Thank you Bradley, that was a concern and I'm glad it's been addressed!
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George Somsel said:
Logos still updates some very old publications so you can expect them to continue to update them if needed. Yes, L5 will run on Windows 7 (I don't yet have L5, but plenty of Windows 7 users do).
Yep my new computer from Sams Club (MEXICO) came with Windows 7, Logos5 works great. [:D]
My old netbook running XP is a different story. [:@]
Running Logos4 on the net book, I typed the hamless words "UPDATE NOW" in the comandbar.
It then tried to download LOGOS5 on my HP netbook (running XP).
Needless to say, it Xs_ up my netbook so much that I had to uninstalled it and am now back to running Libronix on my HP NetBook.
Yes the same NetBook that many of you helped me get up and going with Logos4 a few years ago [:D]
So, I can say good by to the advantage of the cloud for the next few month at least.
Say good by to trusting UPDATE NOW to not try to download Logos5 onto a computer running XP.
Tom
http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/ Solo a Dios la Gloria Apoyo
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Your last conclusion is so interesting.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Tom Rach said:
It then tried to download LOGOS5 on my HP netbook (running XP).
Needless to say, it Xs_ up my netbook so much that I had to uninstalled it
Tom, this will be investigated. What version was it running? How did you know it was trying to download L5?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Tom Rach said:
Running Logos4 on the net book, I typed the hamless words "UPDATE NOW" in the comandbar.
It then tried to download LOGOS5 on my HP netbook (running XP).
Needless to say, it Xs_ up my netbook so much that I had to uninstalled it and am now back to running Libronix on my HP NetBook.
The installer should be designed to prevent this scenario from happening. Do you happen to have any logs saved (in My Documents\Logos Log Files) that would help us understand how this happened?
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:Tom Rach said:
Running Logos4 on the net book, I typed the hamless words "UPDATE NOW" in the comandbar.
It then tried to download LOGOS5 on my HP netbook (running XP).
Needless to say, it Xs_ up my netbook so much that I had to uninstalled it and am now back to running Libronix on my HP NetBook.
The installer should be designed to prevent this scenario from happening. Do you happen to have any logs saved (in My Documents\Logos Log Files) that would help us understand how this happened?
http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/ Solo a Dios la Gloria Apoyo
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Tom Rach said:Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
The installer should be designed to prevent this scenario from happening. Do you happen to have any logs saved (in My Documents\Logos Log Files) that would help us understand how this happened?
This is a crash in 4.6 that can be fixed by upgrading to 4.6a SR-2. The latest Logos 4 installer can be found here: http://www.logos.com/downloads (click "Download for PC").
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:Tom Rach said:Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
The installer should be designed to prevent this scenario from happening. Do you happen to have any logs saved (in My Documents\Logos Log Files) that would help us understand how this happened?
This is a crash in 4.6 that can be fixed by upgrading to 4.6a SR-2. The latest Logos 4 installer can be found here: http://www.logos.com/downloads (click "Download for PC").
We, at least it was NOT trying to install Logos5 [:D]
Thank You.
http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/ Solo a Dios la Gloria Apoyo
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Paul Golder said:
If Windows 8 comes out with enough force to finally dry up the remaining XP user base...
Windows 8 will flop, much like Vista did. I predict Windows 7 is the new XP and will be around a very long time [:)]
I understand Microsofts marketing decisions are what they believe they have to do. Windows 8 is more about tablets than it is about computers. And forcing a touchscreen interface onto a computer with no touchscreen is well ... just plain dumb. Removing the Start menu is even dumber. No wonder Steve Sinofsky was fired. Dumb Dumb Dumb!
.NET was always a bad idea for professional software developement. One obvious clue was to look at Microsofts own commercial software. Did Microsoft Office get ported over to .NET? Of course not. They wanted top performance and reliability. They even released a 64-bit version for absolute top performance and unlimited memory access (.NET apps are limited to about 2GB).
Now it is being touted as a "cross-platform" solution because of MONO, but how cross platform is it if it won't run on XP?
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John said:
Windows 8 will flop, much like Vista did. I predict Windows 7 is the new XP and will be around a very long time
That's my take as well. And it's not just my opinion, but the decision made by our IT department to keep us on W7 for the next six to eight years, barring a major shift in OS architecture. We just moved from XP to W7 this past year.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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Doc B said:John said:
Windows 8 will flop, much like Vista did. I predict Windows 7 is the new XP and will be around a very long time
That's my take as well. And it's not just my opinion, but the decision made by our IT department to keep us on W7 for the next six to eight years, barring a major shift in OS architecture. We just moved from XP to W7 this past year.
If it flops it won't be for the same reason Vista did. Removing the Start menu was an indication of the audience W8 is targeting + the attractive launch price. Being similar to, but faster than W7 will not hurt its chances with users who know that Start menus can be readily obtained and the the new interface bypassed! I'm not sure it will de-mystify computers for the average user though. Businesses looking for a replacement platform will also realise that the Start menu is a minor fix!
Dave
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