Machen and Dana/Mantey
New Testament Greek for Beginners- Machen
A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament- Dana/ Mantey
I know these are older works- but I still use them in hardcopy- and many students do as well- even when their Prof's tell them there are better works now (opinion-theirs 
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These are tried and true works would love to have THEM.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
New Testament Greek for Beginners- Machen
A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament- Dana/ Mantey
I know these are older works- but I still use them in hardcopy- and many students do as well- even when their Prof's tell them there are better works now (opinion-theirs
).These are tried and true works would love to have THEM.
I started out using Machen then transferred to another school. I soon found that I was woefully unprepared. Forget Machen. I never used D & M so I bought a used copy recently. I think it might be a bit better than Machen, but probably not a lot—disclaimer: I haven't thoroughly examined it.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
I started out using Machen then transferred to another school. I soon found that I was woefully unprepared.
Care to tell us what textbook you used afterwards to prepare better?
Have joy in the Lord!
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Hey, all, especially to George,
I had both books in school and have them on my shelves, but I particularly liked Dana & Mantey. Don't ask me why, it may be that it is not too large a book and I am used to it. [:$]
At least it would be helpful to have Dana & Mantey online, IMHO.
Ergatees
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Sorry to hear that George I used machen and even when we went on to other grammars made a smooth transition- including Wallace, Mounce and a few other beginning and intermediate volumes.
But it is a "beginners" volume- and does serve well as a brush up tool- are there better ones I would say yes- but even those have been served well by the lighter versions such as Machen's and Davis's works.
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NB.Mick said:George Somsel said:
I started out using Machen then transferred to another school. I soon found that I was woefully unprepared.
Care to tell us what textbook you used afterwards to prepare better?
Crosby and Schaeffer, it's a classical Greek text. http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Greek-H-Lamar-Crosby/dp/0865165548/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1346861267&sr=1-1&keywords=greek
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George,
Do you have a thought on the 8 case vs. 5 case question, especially as regards to teaching introductory Greek. It seems like all the modern stuff (Black, Baugh, Mounce plus Wallace in his Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics) work from the 5 case perspective. I thought Dana & Mantey followed the older 8 case approach. Wallace describes how it's not exactly an apples-to-apples usage of the word "case".
Just curious...
Donnie
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Donnie Hale said:
George,
Do you have a thought on the 8 case vs. 5 case question, especially as regards to teaching introductory Greek. It seems like all the modern stuff (Black, Baugh, Mounce plus Wallace in his Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics) work from the 5 case perspective. I thought Dana & Mantey followed the older 8 case approach. Wallace describes how it's not exactly an apples-to-apples usage of the word "case".
Just curious...
Donnie
I can see why some would wish to distinguish certain usages from others by giving it a different name, but I was brought up on the 5 case myself and continue to use that. From a practical standpoint it seems to me that unless a form is distinguishable from another at some point in the paradigm, why divide it? It's just simpler.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:Donnie Hale said:
George,
Do you have a thought on the 8 case vs. 5 case question, especially as regards to teaching introductory Greek. It seems like all the modern stuff (Black, Baugh, Mounce plus Wallace in his Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics) work from the 5 case perspective. I thought Dana & Mantey followed the older 8 case approach. Wallace describes how it's not exactly an apples-to-apples usage of the word "case".
Just curious...
Donnie
I can see why some would wish to distinguish certain usages from others by giving it a different name, but I was brought up on the 5 case myself and continue to use that. From a practical standpoint it seems to me that unless a form is distinguishable from another at some point in the paradigm, why divide it? It's just simpler.
I cut my teeth on the eight case system but have come to agree with George on this. 5 case is IMHO justifiable, the 8 case system is prematurely exegetical interpretive. First get the facts, then figure out what they mean.
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Just a personal thought,
Five cases are easy enough and since translation/interpretation is an art which one acquires as one becomes more familiar with a/the language, I have no problem with the five case system.
Personally, I try to read and study in continuous reading of Bible books and I only use commentaries and lexicons to acquire a better understanding of what the author is desiring to get across. I particularly like to use the introduction to the book before me. Sometimes the choices between the various kinds of datives for example don't make a lot of difference and at other times they do. (Not adding anything instructive I realize, just commenting....
E.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament- Dana/ Mantey
+1 [Y] since would like to replace a hard copy with a Logos digital resource.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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An online version would surely make for fast lookup and easy copying for writing usage.
Smiling on, even though. [:)]
Ergatees
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Ladies and Gentilemen: It is now 2025. I concur with the previous requests and statements made back from 2012 regarding the “A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament“ (by Dana & Manty) to be available for purchase on Logos. I purchased a hard copy in 2011 during seminary, and it’s ready to be replaced. I’d prefer to get a digital copy on Logos rather than buying another hard copy. Grace and Peace to you in the fullest measure, Dev Team.
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