Machen and Dana/Mantey

New Testament Greek for Beginners- Machen

A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament- Dana/ Mantey

I know these are older works- but I still use them in hardcopy- and many students do as well- even when their Prof's tell them there are better works now (opinion-theirs ).

These are tried and true works would love to have THEM.

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George Somsel

New Testament Greek for Beginners- Machen

A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament- Dana/ Mantey

I know these are older works- but I still use them in hardcopy- and many students do as well- even when their Prof's tell them there are better works now (opinion-theirs ).

These are tried and true works would love to have THEM.

I started out using Machen then transferred to another school. I soon found that I was woefully unprepared. Forget Machen. I never used D & M so I bought a used copy recently. I think it might be a bit better than Machen, but probably not a lot—disclaimer: I haven't thoroughly examined it.

NB.Mick

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I started out using Machen then transferred to another school. I soon found that I was woefully unprepared.

Care to tell us what textbook you used afterwards to prepare better?

Ergatees

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/394143#Comment_394143

Hey, all, especially to George,

I had both books in school and have them on my shelves, but I particularly liked Dana & Mantey. Don't ask me why, it may be that it is not too large a book and I am used to it. [:$]

At least it would be helpful to have Dana & Mantey online, IMHO.

Ergatees

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/394145#Comment_394145

Sorry to hear that George I used machen and even when we went on to other grammars made a smooth transition- including Wallace, Mounce and a few other beginning and intermediate volumes.

But it is a "beginners" volume- and does serve well as a brush up tool- are there better ones I would say yes- but even those have been served well by the lighter versions such as Machen's and Davis's works.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/394145#Comment_394145

I started out using Machen then transferred to another school. I soon found that I was woefully unprepared.

Care to tell us what textbook you used afterwards to prepare better?

Crosby and Schaeffer, it's a classical Greek text. http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Greek-H-Lamar-Crosby/dp/0865165548/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1346861267&sr=1-1&keywords=greek

Donnie Hale

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George,

Do you have a thought on the 8 case vs. 5 case question, especially as regards to teaching introductory Greek. It seems like all the modern stuff (Black, Baugh, Mounce plus Wallace in his Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics) work from the 5 case perspective. I thought Dana & Mantey followed the older 8 case approach. Wallace describes how it's not exactly an apples-to-apples usage of the word "case".

Just curious...

Donnie

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/394390#Comment_394390

George,

Do you have a thought on the 8 case vs. 5 case question, especially as regards to teaching introductory Greek. It seems like all the modern stuff (Black, Baugh, Mounce plus Wallace in his Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics) work from the 5 case perspective. I thought Dana & Mantey followed the older 8 case approach. Wallace describes how it's not exactly an apples-to-apples usage of the word "case".

Just curious...

Donnie

I can see why some would wish to distinguish certain usages from others by giving it a different name, but I was brought up on the 5 case myself and continue to use that. From a practical standpoint it seems to me that unless a form is distinguishable from another at some point in the paradigm, why divide it? It's just simpler.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/394404#Comment_394404

George,

Do you have a thought on the 8 case vs. 5 case question, especially as regards to teaching introductory Greek. It seems like all the modern stuff (Black, Baugh, Mounce plus Wallace in his Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics) work from the 5 case perspective. I thought Dana & Mantey followed the older 8 case approach. Wallace describes how it's not exactly an apples-to-apples usage of the word "case".

Just curious...

Donnie

I can see why some would wish to distinguish certain usages from others by giving it a different name, but I was brought up on the 5 case myself and continue to use that. From a practical standpoint it seems to me that unless a form is distinguishable from another at some point in the paradigm, why divide it? It's just simpler.

I cut my teeth on the eight case system but have come to agree with George on this. 5 case is IMHO justifiable, the 8 case system is prematurely exegetical interpretive. First get the facts, then figure out what they mean.

Ergatees

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/394407#Comment_394407

Just a personal thought,

Five cases are easy enough and since translation/interpretation is an art which one acquires as one becomes more familiar with a/the language, I have no problem with the five case system.

Personally, I try to read and study in continuous reading of Bible books and I only use commentaries and lexicons to acquire a better understanding of what the author is desiring to get across. I particularly like to use the introduction to the book before me. Sometimes the choices between the various kinds of datives for example don't make a lot of difference and at other times they do. (Not adding anything instructive I realize, just commenting....

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament- Dana/ Mantey

+1 [Y] since would like to replace a hard copy with a Logos digital resource.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Ergatees

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/410732#Comment_410732

[Y]

An online version would surely make for fast lookup and easy copying for writing usage.

Smiling on, even though. [:)]

Ergatees

StevenG

Ladies and Gentilemen: It is now 2025. I concur with the previous requests and statements made back from 2012 regarding the “A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament“ (by Dana & Manty) to be available for purchase on Logos. I purchased a hard copy in 2011 during seminary, and it’s ready to be replaced. I’d prefer to get a digital copy on Logos rather than buying another hard copy. Grace and Peace to you in the fullest measure, Dev Team.